Jeremy Lin "LINSANITY" Thread; Volume 4.

[ITGM]

Well, it seems the nationality issue still is under discussion, and apparently Lin now has been declared an ROC National.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/a ... 2003534707
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[ITGM]

JEREMY LIN IS THE BEST POINT GUARD IN THE LEAGUE

[NOODLESTYLE]

Remember the thread here a few days back where the
Taiwanese Mayor and City Council hold meetings on Jeremy Lin?

It seems there was a big brouhaha about students having their test scores lowered because they answered a test question about Lin's nationality, and they answered "Taiwanese".

Well, it seems the nationality issue still is under discussion, and apparently Lin now has been declared an ROC National.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/a ... 2003534707
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“Of course Lin is an ROC national,” Chien said at a meeting of the legislature’s Internal Administration Committee. “Since Lin was born to parents who are ROC nationals, he is automatically granted ROC nationality. He is therefore an ROC national, unless he formally renounces his ROC nationality, but he hasn’t done so as far as I know.”

Very interesting. The citizenship rule is also very similar to the Philippines which if one of your parents are Filipino citizens, they too automatically receive Filipino citizenship regardless of the country the person was born in. It's a loophole that the Philippines has used to use foreign born players on their National team, without having to be considered a naturalized player.

http://sports.inquirer.net/16967/lassit ... -fiba-asia

According to Article 3-21a of the Fiba internal regulations, players with foreign roots should acquire their citizenship before reaching the age of 16.

Lassiter, 24, and the 26-year-old Lutz, who both grew up in the United States, are considered natural-born Filipinos under the 1987 Philippine Constitution.

[DocZaius]

Lets hope Lin doesn't injure himself doing the crazy Sparta science training

[zyc2371]

Lets hope Lin doesn't injure himself doing the crazy Sparta science training

Don't jinx it

[chales_zed]

I hope Lin doesn't play for any country other than the U.S. He's Taiwanese/ Chinese by blood and heritage but he's a born and bred American. I'd like for him to be a role-model and pioneer in the changing of the guard of society's attitudes towards immigrants and Asians.

[spaceballer]

Woah...please tell me they don't have a "Draft Jeremy Lin" campaign in Taiwan trying to get him to run for president

Taiwan Solidarity Union Legislator Huang Wen-ling (黃文玲) had asked Chien if someone born and raised in another country, citing Lin as an example, should be allowed to run for president if the person obtains ROC citizenship.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/a ... 2003534707

If anything, he should run for office in California or NY before doing that. We get first dibbs

[lleepar]

[snipped]

Very interesting. The citizenship rule is also very similar to the Philippines which if one of your parents are Filipino citizens, they too automatically receive Filipino citizenship regardless of the country the person was born in. It's a loophole that the Philippines has used to use foreign born players on their National team, without having to be considered a naturalized player.

[snipped]

I really don't have a full understanding of what the status of "a national" confers. I'm pretty sure it doesn't confer the status of citizenship, although that may vary from country to country under local laws. I'm not sure about Taiwan. What it means in terms of eligibility to compete on Taiwan's behalf in international sports is unclear to me.

[lleepar]

Woah...please tell me they don't have a "Draft Jeremy Lin" campaign in Taiwan trying to get him to run for president

Taiwan Solidarity Union Legislator Huang Wen-ling (黃文玲) had asked Chien if someone born and raised in another country, citing Lin as an example, should be allowed to run for president if the person obtains ROC citizenship.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/a ... 2003534707

If anything, he should run for office in California or NY before doing that. We get first dibbs

My first inclination after reading the news about Lin being declared a Taiwanese National was that they were merely finding some way to make all of those student test answers correct. But I'll admit my mind did wander a bit wondering about other potential implications.
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[NOODLESTYLE]

[snipped]

Very interesting. The citizenship rule is also very similar to the Philippines which if one of your parents are Filipino citizens, they too automatically receive Filipino citizenship regardless of the country the person was born in. It's a loophole that the Philippines has used to use foreign born players on their National team, without having to be considered a naturalized player.

[snipped]

I really don't have a full understanding of what the status of "a national" confers. I'm pretty sure it doesn't confer the status of citizenship, although that may vary from country to country under local laws. I'm not sure about Taiwan. What it means in terms of eligibility to compete on Taiwan's behalf in international sports is unclear to me.

A National or Nationality a lot of times can refer to citizenship. Although that doesn't prove Jeremy indeed has dual-citizenship, he still has the right to claim National status which is probably why they are saying he is considered a "National" even though he might not have gone through the process of documentation. Another example, Manu Ginobili who is from Argentina, was able to gain dual-citizenship with Argentina and Italy. He is considered a Italian National as well, which is what allowed him to be considered a domestic player in the Italian league and he can live in Italy as a citizen. Whether people like it or not, Manu is technically Argentinian and Italian both through citizenship and heritage.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... code=e2001

As I was joking previously, if I was a student being asked that question and they had marked me for being incorrect for claiming Jeremy was Taiwanese, I would have disputed that he was listed on the preliminary roster of the National team. A player can only play for a National Team according to FIBA rules, if they have citizenship from that country.

Based on the information given, assuming Jeremy does not have his Taiwanese passport, and if it's similar to the Philippines constitution, Jeremy has a right to claim citizenship whenever he wants to.According to the FIBA rules, if Jeremy had already claimed his Taiwanese citizenship prior to the age of 16, he is eligible and considered a non-naturalized player. Therefore, if Taiwan wanted to add a player that gets his citizenship after the age of 16, for example JaValee McGee of the Nuggets joining Team Pilipinas or Serge Ibaka with Spain, then they can also add another player. Either way, Lin can still join Chinese Taipei (Taiwan), either as a naturalized or regular. It would just be to Taiwan's advantage to not count as a naturalized player, so they can use that on someone else.

Also if Jeremy were to ever play in the Chinese Basketball Association, he can use his Taiwanese citizenship to also be considered a domestic player. CBA rules only allow 2 expatriate players on each roster.

FIBA was trying to crack down on Asian teams because there were so many players in question regarding the citizenship and eligibility and they penalized Qatar, but there was a loophole for the Philippines that didn't affect them which I assume if FIBA isn't strict, the same loophole can work for Chinese Taipei (Taiwan).

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2011- ... 745439.htm

The naturalization issue didn't draw much attention until the Qatari squad played the "foul game" in protest of FIBA banning five of its naturalized players at the Wuhan event.

According to FIBA rules, each national team is allowed to have only one naturalized player with multiple nationalities while all the others should prove to have acquired citizenship of the country they represent before the age of 16.

Citing "not received any documents attesting its players' nationalities", FIBA Asia suspended five Qatari, two Filipino and a Syrian player from competing at the tournament on the day before tip-off.

To express their displeasure, the Qatari coach, Ali Ahmad Fakhroo, ordered his remaining five players to foul out purposely to end their first two group matches in a premature and ugly way.

[lleepar]

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A National or Nationality a lot of times can refer to citizenship. Although that doesn't prove Jeremy indeed has dual-citizenship, he still has the right to claim National status which is probably why they are saying he is considered a "National" even though he might not have gone through the process of documentation. ...

[snipped]

I appreciate having the additional references you've provided. It looks like many precedents are in place. The "national" status seems to have some confusion within Taiwan itself on issues broader than sports eligibility. I'm speaking of the question raised in the news article (and quoted above by spaceballer) where a legislator asks if Lin would be eligible to run for presisdent if he obtained citizenship. That question seems to imply that citizenship is an additional step, but even that isn't definitely clear. However the answer to the question wasn't given in any case.

[Brownsville's Finest]

this **** reads like a cult

[CoolColJ]

Discovering Jeremy Lin

[inquisitive]

Discovering Jeremy Lin

Interesting comment from that Blake about looking at calves....lol

[ITGM]

this **** reads like a cult