Jr Smith Vs Jamal Crawford

[Fat Kat]

:lol: @ Jamal Crawford

"Report: Heat, Knicks, Clippers on Jamal Crawford’s radar"

- @basketballtalk (Kurt Helin)

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... um=twitter

Guess it's that time of the year to use the knicks.

I wish Grunnie would say "we do not want Jamal" and put an end to the foolish leverage games of these agents.

[Knicks D]

Smith as has been mentioned is a better defender but not that much better that his D should be a deciding factor. Crawford is a very good FT shooter, better ball handler and can play the 1 in a pinch. He played nearly 30 or 40% of his time at the one last season due to injuries and played well enough that there was no need to rush Felton back. He had one 10 assit game and a few 8 with a bunch of 5 and 6 ones.
Having a versatile player like him wouldn't be a bad thing.

[makeitstop]

:lol: @ Jamal Crawford

"Report: Heat, Knicks, Clippers on Jamal Crawford’s radar"

- @basketballtalk (Kurt Helin)

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... um=twitter

Guess it's that time of the year to use the knicks.

I wish Grunnie would say "we do not want Jamal" and put an end to the foolish leverage games of these agents.

And using NYK as leverage is kind of a dumb move at this point, considering that unless we win the Early Bird arbitration (slim chance), we don't have the money to pay Crawford what he's going to want.

Besides - doesn't anybody remember the game threads when Craw was here? You couldn't have shipped him out fast enough for people on this board. We got a memory problem here.

Oh, and gimme Smith's D. Not the greatest, but way ahead of Crawful's.

[J0rdan4life42o]

Crawford would be an excellent 3rd guard behind Smith and Fields. I wouldn't take him over either player though.

[Woody]

I will JR over Crawford. They both have their weakness but I think JR fit our roster better than Crawford, JR play physical defense and he is willing to play team defense.

Crawford play -0- defense and I was so sick of watching him play for the Knicks. Yes he seem like a good ball handler, but he just yo yo the ball and try to shake off his defender, the worst thing is that no matter if he could shake off his defender of not, he would chuck up the shot anyway. he is not handle the situation like a point guard that normally look for a teammate, and take shot when he is open. Crawford will drive Melo and Amare out of their games.

[Knicks80_20]

I prefer J.R. as long as Woody doesn't give him the "green light" every game.

[Woodsanity]

Jamal Crawford wants at least 5m. At this stage in his career he is a poor man's J.R. Smith. No thanks. He also doesn't play D. We don't need another defensive liability.

[seraphim1982]

Talking from my outside perspective (raps fan)... I think Crawford has a lot of haters in NY because of those perennial trash years... nevertheless he is an amazing creator and a decent volume shooter.

But as for NEEDS at this moment, NY needs another secondary ball handler that can shoot the 3 or drive or push tempo on the break. Also, as someone mentioned, Crawford plays the passing lanes very well...

JR can only jack 3's, he does play better defence overall, but that is also somewhat offseted by the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) fouls he tends to commit if when he gets lazy on D. You already have a better version of JR in Fields...who is younger, with a far better attitude and much better ball-iq

Personally, I believe NY would benefit more from having someone like Crawford.
1) Far more matured since playing in NY
2) He's not playing with a cancer team ie. Curry, Starbury, ZBo, Rookie Nate Robinson... idiot GM
3) NY needs ballhandlers... Lin might be gone, BD IS GONE...
4) Played point in Portland when necessary, when they expelled Felton from the PG.

[J9Starks3]

Our best bet is Smith opts in, makes our lives much easier... IF JR were to opt out - I would take either him or Crawford for the LLE (which is all we'd have)...

[god shammgod]

i'm not sure jamal is going to get mle money again. he problem should have played that contract out. i'm a little nervous he ends up here.

[ibraheim718]

i'm not sure jamal is going to get mle money again. he problem should have played that contract out. i'm a little nervous he ends up here.

If we had to choose between crawford and Smith I'm picking Crawford

[I_Love_NYK]

The only advantage Jamal Crawford has over JR. Smith is that he can play some PG. Both chuck a lot of shots and are very streaky. Even though Jamal Crawford has 50 point games for 3 different franchises, JR. Smith is more dangerous when he is on fire. JR. Smith is also by far a much better perimeter defender than Crawford. Both have no clue when guarding a player without the ball, but JR. Smith is a better on-ball defender. Both players can shoot you out of a game then all of a sudden when least expected make the most clutch basket of the game.

If I had to choose I'd go with JR. because he is younger.

[shmeakone]

Jamal Crawford didn't look that good this season with the Blazers.

38% from the field .. 31% from 3 while attempting 4.3 a game , he's 32 years old .. I think he's declining & fast. JR is 26 & is athletic, can go to the basket when he wants to, & defends better. If JR declines his option then I'd look into Crawford only on a reasonable contract. Imagine us a 50 win team with Jeffries & Crawford on it, LOL that would be so ironic.

[moocow007]

Talking from my outside perspective (raps fan)... I think Crawford has a lot of haters in NY because of those perennial trash years... nevertheless he is an amazing creator and a decent volume shooter.

Crawford had his best years in NY (and yes, people were looking to lynch him by the end) and he was NEVER an "amazing creator". A "decent" volume shooter? I'd be scared to see what your idea of "poor" volume shooter is. In his 12 years in the NBA, Crawford has managed "decent" shooting only twice. In his 2nd year with the Bulls when he shot 47% and in 2009-2010 when he shot 44%. Every other year it's basically shooting right around 40% which is by no means "decent" unless by "decent" you mean "inefficent" or "bad". And you're talking about a guy who will be 33 next season and coming off a season where his "decent" volume shooting had him shooting a whopping 38% from the field and 30% from 3. And it's actually kinda hilarious you mention his NY years being crap years considering those were among the best years of his career in terms of passing and shooting.

But as for NEEDS at this moment, NY needs another secondary ball handler that can shoot the 3 or drive or push tempo on the break. Also, as someone mentioned, Crawford plays the passing lanes very well...

??? Maybe you're actually remembering the Crawford from when he was in his prime but the current day Crawford managed 3.2 apg to go with 1.85 to last season (an assist to turnover ratio of 1.79-to-1). JR Smith managed 2.4 apg to go with 1.3 to last season (an assist to turnover ratio of 1.85-to-1). And as far as playing the passing lanes, JR Smith averaged 1.5 spg last season compared to Crawfords 0.9 spg. So Smith was clearly the better player in terms of steals.

JR can only jack 3's,

This statement tells me that you've either confused JR Smith with someone else or has not actually watched Smith play.

he does play better defence overall, but that is also somewhat offseted by the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) fouls he tends to commit if when he gets lazy on D.

This compared to Crawfod who doesn't commit fouls because he actually doesn't try on defense?

You already have a better version of JR in Fields...who is younger, with a far better attitude and much better ball-iq

Fields is a SF not a SG. Fields cannot shoot, at all. Nor can he create shots for himself. Fields is really nothing like Smith in position or role.

Personally, I believe NY would benefit more from having someone like Crawford.
1) Far more matured since playing in NY

Rigggghhht...and him and Felton reportedly being cancers in the lockerroom for the Blazers last season is a clear sign of his maturity.

2) He's not playing with a cancer team ie. Curry, Starbury, ZBo, Rookie Nate Robinson... idiot GM

?? So you are blaming these guys for Crawford not playing defense and chucking? Why not just blame Crawford?

3) NY needs ballhandlers... Lin might be gone, BD IS GONE...

Lin isn't going anywhere. BD was never really there to begin with. And if the concern is about point guard depth, the Knicks would and likely will be looking for a real PG NOT someone like Crawford. So Crawford being a pseudo point (and he's less efficient passing than Smith is) really doesn't matter. Crawford, LIKE Smith, would be viewed for the backup SG spot...and Smith is simply the better SG.

4) Played point in Portland when necessary, when they expelled Felton from the PG.

Crawford was pretty much crap running the point. Jonny Flynn averaged more APG in less minutes than Crawford did after he was traded to the Blazers and Flynn has hardly been anyone's idea of a point guard. So let's not get carried away with what you may be mistakenly under the perception that Crawford did. As stated above, Crawford had a worse assist-to-turnover ratio than JR Smith did, had less steals than Smith did, shot worse than Smith did (both from 2 and 3 point range) and was not near the defender Smith was. If this was 2007, 2008, then yes, Crawford makes more sense but this isn't. Crawford is older, slower, crappier than the guy that you may be thinking about.

[moocow007]

Crawford will be 33 years old before the All-Star break this upcoming season. For a guy that has relied on his quickness to get into the lane that's not a good thing. At this point, having lost a few steps, teams are basically guarding him close, forcing him to take contested jumpers, knowing that he's unlikely to get by them off the dribble. Probably explains his piss poor shooting percentage last season.

But...even if he manages to squeeze out another ok-ish year (and he's coming off an absolute putrid season with the Blazers where shot shot career lows from both 2 point and 3 point range) his inability to defend (he's worse now than he was when he was younger...yeah...yikes) makes him an ill fit for this team that pretty much FINALLY found a defensive identity last season.

As far as Crawford being able to play the point? JR Smith averaged only .8 assists per game less than Crawford did last season and had a better assist-to-turnover ratio (scary aye?) so I wouldn't exactly be getting excited about Crawford point guard skills. And even ifthe Knicks could use someone to backup Lin, there's no reason why that person has to be Crawford. That's what REAL backup point guards are for.