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500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread

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Post#166 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:49 pm by Thugger HBC

knicksosmoove wrote:it'd be nice to have more diversity of perspective around here is what I think...

The Knicks are 7-1, and is doing with pretty much with very solid defense.

I would think everyone would be happy for that.

What other kind of diverse perspective could you look for?

There's only so many times we can wonder what the team will look like in 2015.
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Post#167 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:07 pm by MeloTime

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mpharris36 wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I'm just trying to point out that we don't need Amare. Really, what added value does he bring to this team? Scoring? We're 7-1.


the only thing amare brings (if healthy and explosive) is his ability to finish around the rim. I think he and prigs will work great in the second unit. Prigs really doesn't play with a P&R big that is an established finisher around the rim.

Also we seem a bit out of sync and reliant on Felton and JR jumpers if Melo gets into foul trouble. If Melo gets in foul trouble we still would have a go to guy with Amare.

I think Amare minutes should be limited 20-25 off the bench until he proves he can be reliable defensively.


Agreed completely...well said. I don't even think I have anything worth adding to this.



When Melo is out the game , you'll have Stat as your go-to guy. We will need this . Melo plays agressive defense so he gets in foul trouble nearly every game.
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Post#168 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:07 pm by NYKat

knicksosmoove wrote:
He's not posting ATM primarily because clowns like you ran him off the board.

Straight clowns. The audacity to call a guy that hung with the team through the last decade, posted keys for terrible game after terrible game, a troll and consistently bait and berate him even in absence is pathetic. It was a pleasant realization during my hiatus this summer to realize that I don't hate Melo the player but certainly do not like the way his insane clown posse that follows him behaves themselves.


yep, and I think the quality of the board is suffering as a result of it. he was very good at sparking discussion with his post game notes. post game threads end up being a lot shorter these days.

it'd be nice to have more diversity of perspective around here is what I think...


I actually second this.

I love a good heated debate, but god forbid you try to engage in one, folks get all sensitive and call it baiting, trolling or shut down the thread
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Post#169 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:08 pm by MeloTime

Thugger HBC wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:it'd be nice to have more diversity of perspective around here is what I think...

The Knicks are 7-1, and is doing with pretty much with very solid defense.

I would think everyone would be happy for that.

What other kind of diverse perspective could you look for?

There's only so many times we can wonder what the team will look like in 2015.



Exactly, What do you want to talk about ? What area can the knicks improve today ?

Offense - Good ball movement , low turnovers ( CHECK)
Defense - Crash boards , lock down , forced turnovers ( CHECK)
Team - Play together ( CHECK)

Why cant people enjoy it when we are finally good.
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Post#170 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:11 pm by Quick Kick

Thugger HBC wrote:
There's only so many times we can wonder what the team will look like in 2015.

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Post#171 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:11 pm by SonOfMars

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Post#172 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:19 pm by [GR]

Didn't like the energy, but it is what it is.


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Post#173 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:26 pm by Thugger HBC

NYKat wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:
He's not posting ATM primarily because clowns like you ran him off the board.

Straight clowns. The audacity to call a guy that hung with the team through the last decade, posted keys for terrible game after terrible game, a troll and consistently bait and berate him even in absence is pathetic. It was a pleasant realization during my hiatus this summer to realize that I don't hate Melo the player but certainly do not like the way his insane clown posse that follows him behaves themselves.


yep, and I think the quality of the board is suffering as a result of it. he was very good at sparking discussion with his post game notes. post game threads end up being a lot shorter these days.

it'd be nice to have more diversity of perspective around here is what I think...


I actually second this.

I love a good heated debate, but god forbid you try to engage in one, folks get all sensitive and call it baiting, trolling or shut down the thread

A debate should never get to the point of being heated.

That's when it gets personal, and it really should never hit that point.
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Post#174 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:26 pm by Chris435

i thought they played with energy and great defense. They just didn't play their best basketball.
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Post#175 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:28 pm by Thugger HBC

MeloTime wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:it'd be nice to have more diversity of perspective around here is what I think...

The Knicks are 7-1, and is doing with pretty much with very solid defense.

I would think everyone would be happy for that.

What other kind of diverse perspective could you look for?

There's only so many times we can wonder what the team will look like in 2015.



Exactly, What do you want to talk about ? What area can the knicks improve today ?

Offense - Good ball movement , low turnovers ( CHECK)
Defense - Crash boards , lock down , forced turnovers ( CHECK)
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Why cant people enjoy it when we are finally good.

I would like to know what "diverse" talk is though.
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Post#176 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:30 pm by mrpoetryNmotion

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Rasho Brezec wrote:I'm just trying to point out that we don't need Amare. Really, what added value does he bring to this team? Scoring? We're 7-1.


He can rebound (which is our biggest issue) and block at the rim. That's valuable. I'd rather we get Sheed as much rest as possible as well.


Amar'e is an ok rebounder... but it depends on which Amar'e we get...the one that is essentially a low effort statue, or what he was in his first 2-3 months here, defensively...not exactly a smart or attentive defender, but brought energy and made plays at times.
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Post#177 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:38 pm by NY2TheBay

Just finished watching the game off DVR.

Some thoughts:

- Melo's toughness really showing. Not settling for jump shots taking it strong to the hole looking for contact.

-Brewer is the perfect off ball slasher for this team. Then throw in his rebounding and strong defense and is an absolute steal.

- Chandler a little better today but still needs to improve his rebounding, dont know whats going on, maybe his early season flu has thrown him off.

- Felton really carried the team early when no shots were falling. As usual strong all around game. Shouldve made the jumper before half. lol.

- Sheed is going to continue to get better and love his leadership from the bench. Heard hom screaming to pablo a few times from the bench.

-Camby, good to see him get some burn and got a few blocks while he was in and contested others. Look forward to seeing more of him

All in All an ugly win but a win.

Lastly, hibbert has been horrible all season. Got his money and isnt the same player. WIll be interesting to watch him throughout the year. Portland may have dodged a bullet.
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Post#178 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:38 pm by god shammgod

Thugger HBC wrote:I would like to know what "diverse" talk is though.


since everyone is happy with the knicks, i'm guessing diversity would be someone unhappy with the knicks. when you're 7-1 though i'm not sure what your complaint would be exactly. i can't wait to hear though.
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Post#179 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:40 pm by bigfnjoe96

Just watched the game via DVR. Man our D played well tonight. 19 TO's, held the Pacers to under 80.

Great team effort. Felton is playing a helluva PG for us. Sheed giving us quality minutes of the bench.

7-1 babee. Orleans here we come



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Post#180 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:42 pm by Rasho Brezec

We need to get a good old fashioned player comparison beef going. Let Sheed vs Camby be the new Gallo vs Wilson.
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Post#181 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:44 pm by mrpoetryNmotion

Am I the only one who thinks the offense is too jumpshot reliant? They're going in so I guess it doesn't really matter at the moment but our only means of offense in the post is essentially:

-Melo post up (...but he marginalizes himself at times)
-Chandler lobs
-Brewer cuts/backdoor plays
-Sheed post up (when he feels like it)

Do people think this is good enough? I hate the contract that is Amar'e Stoudemire but even I'm hoping that his skillset can add a new dimension to the offense. We don't have a Lebron James and good post play (or good enough post play) has proven to be what separates the champs from all those that've failed.

This more so is an observation I gleaned from the Grizz game, but didn't feel like making a new thread.
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Post#182 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:45 pm by god shammgod

Rasho Brezec wrote:We need to get a good old fashioned player comparison beef going. Let Sheed vs Camby be the new Gallo vs Wilson.


there you go rasho. here's a guy who understands this board. bravo sir. i can't wait to be annoyed at this.
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Post#183 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:46 pm by Capn'O

j4remi wrote:Look, I don't care what side of the TKF debate people are on any more, next person that brings him up instead of talking about the game is getting a suspension. There's no reason for his name to be brought in these threads unless people are mentioning the Keys To The Game that everyone misses.


Bam! Perfect. Thank you. There is just no need.

And thanks for doing the write ups. They are excellent.
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Post#184 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:47 pm by Sundov

mrpoetryNmotion wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the offense is too jumpshot reliant? They're going in so I guess it doesn't really matter at the moment but our only means of offense in the post is essentially:

-Melo post up (...but he marginalizes himself at times)
-Chandler lobs
-Brewer cuts/backdoor plays
-Sheed post up (when he feels like it)

Do people think this is good enough? I hate the contract that is Amar'e Stoudemire but even I'm hoping that his skillset can add a new dimension to the offense. We don't have a Lebron James and good post play (or good enough post play) has proven to be what separates the champs from all those that've failed.

This more so is an observation I gleaned from the Grizz game, but didn't feel like making a new thread.


I agree. I expect us to drop in the offensive rankings over the next 10 games or so. No way we can keep this sort of shooting up. That's why Amare is so important because he can run pick and rolls with Prigs and Felton all day. But the question is how is he gonna get minutes with Camby, Chandler, Melo and Sheed at the 4 and 5 also. But this has already been discussed to death so I'll shut up :lol:
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Post#185 Re: 500 @ Mecca Post Game Thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:51 pm by god shammgod

Sundov wrote:
mrpoetryNmotion wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the offense is too jumpshot reliant? They're going in so I guess it doesn't really matter at the moment but our only means of offense in the post is essentially:

-Melo post up (...but he marginalizes himself at times)
-Chandler lobs
-Brewer cuts/backdoor plays
-Sheed post up (when he feels like it)

Do people think this is good enough? I hate the contract that is Amar'e Stoudemire but even I'm hoping that his skillset can add a new dimension to the offense. We don't have a Lebron James and good post play (or good enough post play) has proven to be what separates the champs from all those that've failed.

This more so is an observation I gleaned from the Grizz game, but didn't feel like making a new thread.


I agree. I expect us to drop in the offensive rankings over the next 10 games or so. No way we can keep this sort of shooting up. That's why Amare is so important because he can run pick and rolls with Prigs and Felton all day. But the question is how is he gonna get minutes with Camby, Chandler, Melo and Sheed at the 4 and 5 also. But this has already been discussed to death so I'll shut up :lol:


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