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J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?

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Post#21 » by Never Wrong » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:10 pm

If there was a team willing to throw big money at him, he wouldn't be here.
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Post#22 » by NY2k1 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:21 pm

fdr2012 wrote:
GratefulDead wrote:Lol this exact thing was said about lin and landry.... "nobody will give them more..."


Everybody knew Lin was getting offers, if not only for the China marketing appeal. Houston was pretty obvious.
As for Landry - there was only one GM who offered him anything and you're forgetting Landry is known to be a great character glue guy who was only 24.

Nobody wanted JR this summer, so I can't see how or why that changes.


And the only reason Toronto signed Landry was to cock block us from getting Nash :lol: :lol:
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Post#23 » by j4remi » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:39 pm

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j4remi wrote:I could see the Hawks, Pistons and Kings making runs at JR tbh...but I'm confident that he'll want to stay in NY unless he gets some massive offer that shouldn't happen.


Pistons? They are going nowhere and they have been burnt with every FA signing during the past 5 years. They already have Stuckey at the 2. ZERO chance they throw money @ JR.

Kings? The only way they do something is if they waive Tyreke. I doubt they want to pair Cousins with JR.

Hawks? They just signed Lou Williams. ZERO chance they throw money on JR.

JR has a bad rep in the league. He's 27, so he's only good for a win-now team. Nobody is giving him more than $5M.


If I'm not mistaken Stuckey is about to be an FA and he's been miserable this season. They will look to upgrade if he can't turn it around.

Kings let Evans run the point plenty with Salmons as the 2 guy...JR is an upgrade over Salmons without a doubt.

Hawks are gonna let a lot of contracts expire and rebuild around their core...Included in the expirings is Kyle Korver, they're main shooting threat. They'll be happy to replace him with JR who's 27 and adds more dimensions than simply shooting.

JR's rep is going to vanish if he keeps up his level of play. Landry Fields just got a huge pay day. Jamal Crawford is becoming one of the big impact signings of the off season and he's done it in a JR Smith role. I'm hopeful that we keep JR and 5 million seems reasonable, but after this past off season craziness...I'm not taking for granted that there are some teams with needs that JR would fit.
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Post#24 » by JDs_loot » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:42 pm

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Thugger HBC wrote:Jr wants the bigger payday.

You need bird rights for that.

He's on the cheap now......

That's Earl.

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What do you think he's gonna get in the next contract? 4/$48m sound right?


4 years 24 million.
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Post#25 » by j4remi » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:47 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:JR is loyal to a tee.

He won't leave his brother Melo, and his dad, Mr. Woodson.


That's what I'm banking on. I've been a huge fan of JR Smith since he did the behind the back dunk at the dunk contest :lol: ...He's been amazing this season and I have no qualms signing him well past the 3 year bench mark that has been set by most of our contracts. 5 million for what he's given us thus far seems like a perfect deal.
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Post#26 » by 21shumpshumpst » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:55 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:JR is loyal to a tee.

He won't leave his brother Melo, and his dad, Mr. Woodson.

I don't know man. I think that he is going to get payed handsomely next year.

Man this sucks I didn't know about this whole early bird rights thing. Now I am definitely worried. :(
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Post#27 » by FrozenInfernoZX » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:04 pm

GeneralNbaFan wrote:Why did this guy sign only for 2,8 mio?

Camby, Novak, Felton, Kidd are earning more than him!


Because in sports, NBA in particular, payrolls are skewed like that. Thing is, players get payed before performance which I think is a faulty system in its own right. First and foremost, J.R. was not this kind of player when we first signed him. If he was, we were not going to be able to afford him. Simple. Other teams would offer him much more money.
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Post#28 » by sebstar » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:45 pm

fdr2012 wrote:
GratefulDead wrote:Lol this exact thing was said about lin and landry.... "nobody will give them more..."


Everybody knew Lin was getting offers, if not only for the China marketing appeal. Houston was pretty obvious.
As for Landry - there was only one GM who offered him anything and you're forgetting Landry is known to be a great character glue guy who was only 24.

Nobody wanted JR this summer, so I can't see how or why that changes.


I think you're seriously overplaying this "character issue" stuff. What exactly has J.R done that would significantly impact his future earning potential? If continues with his mature attitude and high level of play, he'll certainly be a hot commodity on the market during the offseason. He'll be in that 10+ mill a year range.
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Post#29 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:51 pm

I'm researching with some guys help, but I'm not sure what his max can be.

I read somewhere his max with us is around 5+ starting, but if we have his bird rights, how is another team able to offer more?
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Post#30 » by GeneralNbaFan » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:32 pm

fdr2012 wrote:
GeneralNbaFan wrote:I really dont like him as a player and I dont think he had the upside to become a "Superstar" like Kobe, but I think hes worth 10mio. +


There will be 10 teas under the cap next season. Which one offer JR $10M?

1. Houston
2. Phoenix
3. Kings
4. Cavs
5. Bucks
6. NOH
7. Jazz
8. Hawks
9. Pistons
10. Mavs

People are forgetting that Mayo got $4M and he's 24.


To be honest all of them! And Mayo should also get more, like 8 mio... only 8 because he decreased his value in memphis!

And everyone was expecting him to be a good 6th man! Stats like 15-4-2.... the only explanation: He got paid under the table!
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Post#31 » by Pharmcat » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:57 pm

jr smith was the best value signing of the OS

the guy is so loyal, took less money to stay unlike others
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Post#32 » by boomann21 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:59 pm

Pharmcat wrote:jr smith was the best value signing of the OS

the guy is so loyal, took less money to stay unlike others



Who are these others that you speak of? I wanted no part of Landry Fields... :wink:
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Post#33 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:19 am

Could go either way with him this year; thankfully we can funnel some more money to him through his brother.

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Post#34 » by Knickstape1214 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:53 am

GeneralNbaFan wrote:
fdr2012 wrote:
GeneralNbaFan wrote:I really dont like him as a player and I dont think he had the upside to become a "Superstar" like Kobe, but I think hes worth 10mio. +


There will be 10 teas under the cap next season. Which one offer JR $10M?

1. Houston
2. Phoenix
3. Kings
4. Cavs
5. Bucks
6. NOH
7. Jazz
8. Hawks
9. Pistons
10. Mavs

People are forgetting that Mayo got $4M and he's 24.


To be honest all of them! And Mayo should also get more, like 8 mio... only 8 because he decreased his value in memphis!

And everyone was expecting him to be a good 6th man! Stats like 15-4-2.... the only explanation: He got paid under the table!


clearly. everything is a conspiracy.

none of those teams are going to be throwing 8 mill at jr.
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Post#35 » by Sark » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:10 am

Basically everyone is saying he is the best signing of the offseason, and underpaid, yet he won't get paid next year? :roll:
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Post#36 » by GONYK » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:21 am

Sark wrote:Basically everyone is saying he is the best signing of the offseason, and underpaid, yet he won't get paid next year? :roll:


Who said he's not getting paid next year?

All we are saying is that the Knicks will be the ones who are paying him
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Post#37 » by Knickstape1214 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:26 am

GONYK wrote:
Sark wrote:Basically everyone is saying he is the best signing of the offseason, and underpaid, yet he won't get paid next year? :roll:


Who said he's not getting paid next year?

All we are saying is that the Knicks will be the ones who are paying him


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Post#38 » by GONYK » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:56 am

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GONYK wrote:
Sark wrote:Basically everyone is saying he is the best signing of the offseason, and underpaid, yet he won't get paid next year? :roll:


Who said he's not getting paid next year?

All we are saying is that the Knicks will be the ones who are paying him


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Post#39 » by fdr2012 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:40 am

sebstar wrote:I think you're seriously overplaying this "character issue" stuff. What exactly has J.R done that would significantly impact his future earning potential? If continues with his mature attitude and high level of play, he'll certainly be a hot commodity on the market during the offseason. He'll be in that 10+ mill a year range.


I'm hardly over-stating his "character" issues. He's had problems everywhere he went to. Bulls let him go for nothing. Nuggets didn't want to re=sign him even on the cheap.

He's been doing well in NY with Woodson coddling him, but he may very well implode some place else.

I will say it again - NO MATTER HOW WELL HE PLAYS THIS SEASON, NONE OF THESE LOTTERY TEAMS ARE BIDDING FOR JRs SERVICES.
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Post#40 » by basketboule » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:11 am

he's making a case for his maturation out there. a very dedicated player. this defensive tenacity displayed by the knicks is really benefitting his temper.

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