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J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?

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Post#31 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:57 pm by Pharmcat

jr smith was the best value signing of the OS

the guy is so loyal, took less money to stay unlike others
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Post#32 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:59 pm by boomann21

Pharmcat wrote:jr smith was the best value signing of the OS

the guy is so loyal, took less money to stay unlike others



Who are these others that you speak of? I wanted no part of Landry Fields... :wink:
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Post#33 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:19 am by Knicks_Fan2

Could go either way with him this year; thankfully we can funnel some more money to him through his brother.

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Post#34 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:53 am by Knickstape1214

GeneralNbaFan wrote:
fdr2012 wrote:
GeneralNbaFan wrote:I really dont like him as a player and I dont think he had the upside to become a "Superstar" like Kobe, but I think hes worth 10mio. +


There will be 10 teas under the cap next season. Which one offer JR $10M?

1. Houston
2. Phoenix
3. Kings
4. Cavs
5. Bucks
6. NOH
7. Jazz
8. Hawks
9. Pistons
10. Mavs

People are forgetting that Mayo got $4M and he's 24.


To be honest all of them! And Mayo should also get more, like 8 mio... only 8 because he decreased his value in memphis!

And everyone was expecting him to be a good 6th man! Stats like 15-4-2.... the only explanation: He got paid under the table!


clearly. everything is a conspiracy.

none of those teams are going to be throwing 8 mill at jr.
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Post#35 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:10 am by Sark

Basically everyone is saying he is the best signing of the offseason, and underpaid, yet he won't get paid next year? :roll:
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Post#36 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:21 am by GONYK

Sark wrote:Basically everyone is saying he is the best signing of the offseason, and underpaid, yet he won't get paid next year? :roll:


Who said he's not getting paid next year?

All we are saying is that the Knicks will be the ones who are paying him
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Post#37 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:26 am by Knickstape1214

GONYK wrote:
Sark wrote:Basically everyone is saying he is the best signing of the offseason, and underpaid, yet he won't get paid next year? :roll:


Who said he's not getting paid next year?

All we are saying is that the Knicks will be the ones who are paying him


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Post#38 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:56 am by GONYK

Knickstape1214 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Sark wrote:Basically everyone is saying he is the best signing of the offseason, and underpaid, yet he won't get paid next year? :roll:


Who said he's not getting paid next year?

All we are saying is that the Knicks will be the ones who are paying him


ding ding ding.

btw, where have you been? it's like you've gone semi-awol. or i'm just missing your posts...haha.


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Post#39 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:40 am by fdr2012

sebstar wrote:I think you're seriously overplaying this "character issue" stuff. What exactly has J.R done that would significantly impact his future earning potential? If continues with his mature attitude and high level of play, he'll certainly be a hot commodity on the market during the offseason. He'll be in that 10+ mill a year range.


I'm hardly over-stating his "character" issues. He's had problems everywhere he went to. Bulls let him go for nothing. Nuggets didn't want to re=sign him even on the cheap.

He's been doing well in NY with Woodson coddling him, but he may very well implode some place else.

I will say it again - NO MATTER HOW WELL HE PLAYS THIS SEASON, NONE OF THESE LOTTERY TEAMS ARE BIDDING FOR JRs SERVICES.
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Post#40 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:11 am by basketboule

he's making a case for his maturation out there. a very dedicated player. this defensive tenacity displayed by the knicks is really benefitting his temper.
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Post#41 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:32 am by Oscirus

I guess nobody is gonna want the no 3/4 scorer on a playoff team. Absolutely not with those character issues. GMAB, GMAB, smith is getting paid next year regardless of whether its with us or an overpaying lottery team with a starter slot to give him.
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Post#42 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:40 am by fdr2012

Oscirus wrote:I guess nobody is gonna want the no 3/4 scorer on a playoff team. Absolutely not with those character issues. GMAB, GMAB, smith is getting paid next year regardless of whether its with us or an overpaying lottery team with a starter slot to give him.


None of the playoff teams have cap-space. None of the lotto teams will pay him. He doesn't fit a lotto team.
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Post#43 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:24 am by Brooklyn_Yards

Unless a contender with deep pockets comes offer JR 4/40, I believe we keep JR at 4/24 or whatever the maximum is we can offer. JR said he's at a point where he wants to win and be close to home. Don't be surprised to see Chris Smith take James White or Chris Copeland's roster spot nest summer either.
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Post#44 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:17 am by fdr2012

Brooklyn_Yards wrote:Unless a contender with deep pockets comes offer JR 4/40, I believe we keep JR at 4/24 or whatever the maximum is we can offer. JR said he's at a point where he wants to win and be close to home. Don't be surprised to see Chris Smith take James White or Chris Copeland's roster spot nest summer either.


There is no contender with cap space or the ability to do a S&T for JR. Knicks can offer him 4/$21M max. I would like to see the Knicks offer 3/$15M or get a team option for the 4th year, since JR could start declining in 2-3 years.

Bottom line is that you want to remain flexible when Melo/Amare expire in 2015.
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Post#45 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:53 am by cgmw

fdr2012 wrote:
sebstar wrote:I think you're seriously overplaying this "character issue" stuff. What exactly has J.R done that would significantly impact his future earning potential? If continues with his mature attitude and high level of play, he'll certainly be a hot commodity on the market during the offseason. He'll be in that 10+ mill a year range.


I'm hardly over-stating his "character" issues. He's had problems everywhere he went to. Bulls let him go for nothing. Nuggets didn't want to re=sign him even on the cheap.

He's been doing well in NY with Woodson coddling him, but he may very well implode some place else.

I will say it again - NO MATTER HOW WELL HE PLAYS THIS SEASON, NONE OF THESE LOTTERY TEAMS ARE BIDDING FOR JRs SERVICES.

It's all fine and good for us to be politically correct in our personal lives and on a message board, but let's be real here.

It doesn't matter what JR Smith has or hasn't done. We could sit here and argue the moral merits of his past actions and affiliations. But it's completely irrelevant.

All that matters is that a lot of teams in the NBA are very sensitive to losing money from having a "JR Smith type" of image.

Again, nobody's advocating racism or passing unfair judgement on the kid here. But the reality is, his image is a problem for his earnings potential in an NBA market that still relies on ticket sales and ad revenue from people who simply don't relate to and don't like JR Smith's image.

Can his value as a basketball talent overcome his image problems? Absolutely. But it's an uphill climb. If you don't think image affects market value, please see the contracts of our recent Harvard and Stanford graduates.
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Post#46 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:02 pm by knicksosmoove

don't really like JR, but he is definitely underpaid. I don't know if I'm grateful that he took less money to play for the Knicks or if I feel sorry for him for being stupid . . .
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Post#47 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:06 pm by GONYK

knicksosmoove wrote:don't really like JR, but he is definitely underpaid. I don't know if I'm grateful that he took less money to play for the Knicks or if I feel sorry for him for being stupid . . .


JR being underpaid this season has absolutely nothing to do with him being stupid. It's probably the smartest decision he's made in his whole career.
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Post#48 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:12 pm by knicksosmoove

GONYK wrote:
knicksosmoove wrote:don't really like JR, but he is definitely underpaid. I don't know if I'm grateful that he took less money to play for the Knicks or if I feel sorry for him for being stupid . . .


JR being underpaid this season has absolutely nothing to do with him being stupid. It's probably the smartest decision he's made in his whole career.


how so? he's probably missing out on millions of dollars.

j.r.'s not the caliber of player who needs a legacy ... "superstars" can chase dreams of rings because they'll get paid no matter what ... to me, JR's the type of players who's just gotta make sure he sticks around and gets paid
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Post#49 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:13 pm by cgmw

After showing camera shots of just about every Knick grimacing and giving looks of concern when Kidd needed stitches yesterday, in pops that dude...

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Post#50 Re: J.R. SMITH : best price/benefit ratio?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:20 pm by cgmw

To clarify, I find it hilarious.
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