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Would you do Pau for Amare right now?

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Post#31 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:00 pm by kakaman

knicksnation1 wrote:Gasol is a better fit next to Tyson and Melo. We're gonna give the Heat A LOT OF trouble by adding him and the Lakers are not a true champ contender, from what I see,without Gasol. I'm not worried if Amare's beasting on the offensive end or not once he's returned, at the end of the day it's all about the Knicks winning bball games as a team.
But if that means we have to lose Shump or Novak in the trade that's a BIG HELL NO. I dont want to see the Knicks getting robbed by the Lakers.


Knicks wouldn't get fleeced, if anything Lakers would be the ones giving up assets. Knicks are doing fine right now, it's the Lakers that are in big trouble.
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Post#32 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:12 pm by DRoberstonNYY

Sark wrote:ITT: people still think Gasol has something left in the tank. :roll:


its fine to think that, but to say that and praise amare who's been putrid for a year.. is just ridiculous.

this the problem with amare, the fanbase and the players make excuses for him. he needs to put up, shut up, and sacrifice for the team. that means play one iota of defense and don't be an absolute embarassment on that end.
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Post#33 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:34 pm by moocow007

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blackbishop wrote:Amare is kinda the reason the knicks are turning it around. He made the knicks a desirable place to play and he deserves a chance to be part of it.

People seem to forget that after february, he was close to his old self. He was shooting something like 56% the last two months of the season and when he and melo and chandler played under woodson, they were like 9-2. Yeah, he got hurt in preseason but he has worked hard and from all reports looks pretty good.

I would rather go with the devil we know then the one we do not know.


There is a possible distinction between him putting up good offensive numbers and the team being better as a whole.


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That applies to everyone...Gasol as well...with possible bad knees and small man parts. So it's kinda pointless to bring up.
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Post#34 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:39 pm by suicidedeuce

DRoberstonNYY wrote:its fine to think that, but to say that and praise amare who's been putrid for a year.. is just ridiculous.

this the problem with amare, the fanbase and the players make excuses for him.


I have no particular love for Stoudemire, but you're being hyperbolic.

He played well most of March. In fact, statistically speaking, he had arguably his best all-around month as a Knick. His .563 shooting % was his Knick high water mark (by a good margin, btw), as was his 12.2 (per 48) rebound rate.

His TOs (per 48) were a Knick monthly low of 2.4 (he was generally in the 4's his first year).

His assist rate was down, as was his blocks and steals, which may speak to his defense, but again, statistically speaking, overall he was as good in scoring, rebounding, protecting the ball and going to the line his last full month as a Knick as he'd ever been as a Knick.

Doesn't excuse the RELATIVELY poor play prior to that, but when you factor in the back issue, the lock-out, the well documented personal issues, that he ended strong (as strongly as ever) does offer good reason to consider he may not be "putrid" this year, if healthy.
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Post#35 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:45 pm by blackbishop

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
blackbishop wrote:Amare is kinda the reason the knicks are turning it around. He made the knicks a desirable place to play and he deserves a chance to be part of it.

People seem to forget that after february, he was close to his old self. He was shooting something like 56% the last two months of the season and when he and melo and chandler played under woodson, they were like 9-2. Yeah, he got hurt in preseason but he has worked hard and from all reports looks pretty good.

I would rather go with the devil we know then the one we do not know.


There is a possible distinction between him putting up good offensive numbers and the team being better as a whole.


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As I also pointed out, the knicks with amare, melo and chandler were 9-2 under woodson. Everything else was under dantoni and as he is showing in LA, maybe the problem was his coaching and not the players.

At this point, though Pau might or might not be the better fit in NY, amare is HERE and he got this turnaround started by playing the way he was playing to start 2010. If the knicks sucked when he got here, melo would be a net. For that alone, I want amare to prove people wrong and his one game in preseason has me thinking he can definitely help by:

1) being another inside player whether facing up or trying to post. Shoot woodson had him starting closer to the basket last year and it helped alot. Even with one post move or none, being closer to the basket means less offensive fouls since it will be harder for the help to make it in time.

2) it looked like his midrange shot was much better, he was shooting it effortlessly and wasnt aiming the shot.

3) he was at least trying on defense with woodson and that is all it pretty much takes, look at novak.
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Post#36 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:57 pm by blumatic

I dont understand the hostility towards Amare. I think people are still frustrated with that incident in Miami. Its similar to those bashing the Knicks this summer for talking championship and responding like little girls by saying "Win a playiff series first."

STATs best game was game 1 2011 in Boston. Game 2 he hurt his back took 6 months off from basketball and went right into the NBA season with no training cam and a condensed schedule. It took him until March to get back and he was getting better. During that 18-6 run he was part of 8 wins and two losses.

Lets not TKF Amare now. You will only look foolish.
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Post#37 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:40 pm by R-DAWG

Yes. Would eat duhons deal in exchange of them taking on the extra year of amare. He's a better fit with this years team and is more valuable as an expiring contract in the offseason. And amare is a better fit with the lakers.
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Post#38 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:55 pm by j4remi

I wanna see what a healthy Amare looks like first...I also wanna know what's going on with Pau bc he looked really weak and I don't want to dump Amare for a half assed Pau...I think Amare still has something left in the tank.
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Post#39 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:56 pm by seren

Of course, I would. Shouldn't even be a discussion.
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Post#40 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:07 pm by Rasho Brezec

D'oh. Gasol has one year less on his contract and is a better player than Amare.
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Post#41 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:09 pm by truth serum

DRoberstonNYY wrote:
Sark wrote:No other team in the NBA wants Amare. He's pretty much done.
Why should anybody take him off the Knicks hands?


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You think you're so clever. If I recall correctly, you haven't been too accurate in any of your predictions this year. Yet you still think you know it all. You're just another smart-ass fan.. except more of an ass than you are smart.

Amar'e will come back strong. Hell no, I wouldn't trade him for Pau Gasol.
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Post#42 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:22 pm by ComeOnKnicks

No way!

Amare is gonna be one of the extra pieces that we need to contend for an NBA championship, him and Shumpert!
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Post#43 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:27 pm by NYK_Lampe

Please no more threads like this. Next week are you going to post a "well how about now?" thread???

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Post#44 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:44 pm by ATTL

Let Amare prove his worth. Gasol is going to be available all season with how poorly he has played and meshes with the Lakers' new system.

He now has three good passing point guards to get him the ball where he wants it. Last year he had none.
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Post#45 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:51 pm by HarpStarkOakEw

gasol is a better fit on our first unit but worse on our 2nd.

because of our fast start we can afford to have some growing pains associated to getting amare involved since it will help us in the long run.

amare has more upside, a more fluent jumpshot and quicker release and 2 years younger. i'll take my chances on amare.

gasol is a much better passer though and plays "bigger" uses his length to his advantage.
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Post#46 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:56 pm by Iron Mantis

Can we at least see what is looking like on the court before we throw him away like he's finished.
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Post#47 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:20 pm by E86

CoolKids wrote:Paus a better fit tbh. Better rebounder defender and passer and I have more faith in his mid range game. Amare was automatic 2 years ago but last year was dreadful from that 14-18 ft range . I'd do it but I still have faith in STAT



Stat's mid range jumper was damn near automatic in that one game he played in the preseason this year lol
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Post#48 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:48 pm by BKAY

no.
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Post#49 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:12 pm by BasicBall

LA would never take Amare for Pau....A dark horse in what would be a typical Lakers heist would be Pau for Kevin Love and Derek Williams from Minnesota. Watch out for that deal! :o
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Post#50 Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:24 pm by AggO

no

they need amare more than we need pau

i would have to get 2014 and 2016 first rounders also.
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