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Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:56 pm
by Iron Mantis
Can we at least see what is looking like on the court before we throw him away like he's finished.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:20 pm
by E86
CoolKids wrote:Paus a better fit tbh. Better rebounder defender and passer and I have more faith in his mid range game. Amare was automatic 2 years ago but last year was dreadful from that 14-18 ft range . I'd do it but I still have faith in STAT
Stat's mid range jumper was damn near automatic in that one game he played in the preseason this year lol
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:48 pm
by BKAY
no.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:12 pm
by BasicBall
LA would never take Amare for Pau....A dark horse in what would be a typical Lakers heist would be Pau for Kevin Love and Derek Williams from Minnesota. Watch out for that deal!
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:24 pm
by aggo
no
they need amare more than we need pau
i would have to get 2014 and 2016 first rounders also.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:34 pm
by NYK-Mentality
I wouldn't. Kicking Amar'e to the curb could do more harm than good.
I understand basketball is also a business but I believe that as a franchise, it would send a bad message to potential free agents and/or our own players. Moving Stoudemire before he's had a chance to recover would be a typical love you when you're up before kicking you while your down type of front office move. He came here to compete alongside the likes of Melo. Melo hasn't even been here for 1 (full) season.
Why move Stoudemire before first giving it a chance to work? He's also younger than Gasol. More potential. Worked out with Hakeem etc, etc. Focused on the game of basketball. Last year he was hurt and lost his brother due to death. What about the year before when he led us to the postseason while setting a franchise record for consecutive games of 30+ points? Stoudemire stays.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:10 pm
by Oscirus
lol no. How long do people think that Melo's gonna be able to do this without a true secondary scorer that can create his own shot? What happens when the shots aren't going down formelo do you seriously think that pau friggin gasol could carry this team?
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:12 pm
by NJ_YANKEE_45
R-DAWG wrote:Yes. Would eat duhons deal in exchange of them taking on the extra year of amare. He's a better fit with this years team and is more valuable as an expiring contract in the offseason. And amare is a better fit with the lakers.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:53 pm
by HarthorneWingo
No
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:15 am
by moocow007
AggO wrote:no
they need amare more than we need pau
i would have to get 2014 and 2016 first rounders also.
The earliest 1st rounder that they can trade is like aroung 2018 or 2019.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:27 am
by RodStrickland
I don't know Amaré well enough to do Pau.
That being said, I'd rather NY play at least 20-30 games to find out if the top 8-9 (which would include Amaré and Shump) are a solid rotation. You have to give Amaré at least that chance.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:57 am
by moocow007
RodStrickland wrote:I don't know Amaré well enough to do Pau.
That being said, I'd rather NY play at least 20-30 games to find out if the top 8-9 (which would include Amaré and Shump) are a solid rotation. You have to give Amaré at least that chance.
Agreed.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:04 am
by JoseChinga
Pau can pass and is a slightly better rebounder.
I would do it, but i want to give Amare another chance.
As respect to Amare being the first big free agent for us and really wanting to play in New York.
Amare in the first half of his premier season in NYC, he played like a top 5 MVP caliber player.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:23 am
by suicidedeuce
JoseChinga wrote:Amare in the first half of his premier season in NYC, he played like a top 5 MVP caliber player.
He played better by most metrics last March then he did the first half of his 1st season, FYI.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:44 am
by Orange N Blue
We as Knick fans should be ashamed of ourselves.
Amare came off one of the most gruelling physical and mental seasons a player can go through and he still put up numbers David West put up in his prime WITHOUT A PG THAT CAN GET HIM THE BALL.
David West's best season: 08-09 which subsequently was CP3 best year
21ppg/8.5reb/2.3ast/.6stl/.9blk/47.2%FG/39.2MPG
STAT 2011-2012:
17.5ppg/7.8reb/1.1AST/.8stl/1Blk/48.3%FG/32,8MPG
Amare had in our minds a bad year but his STATS would surpass Wests if he had 39 MPG and like i said earlier WE HAD NO PG TO GIVE HIM THE BALL.
Theirs a difference between running a pick and roll to get assists and finding players spots on the floor, with J-LIN it was either pick and roll lob or a shot, he did not know how to orchestrate an offense so this hindered Amare significantly because all of his points were face-up jumpers or drives to the basket and he could never get the ball while on the move which is what his game is built around before anything else.
Amare is a guy that needs moment to be at his best, his ISO and Midrange come second but first we need to establish him in the PNR and with Lin and especially Douglas we could not do that at all.
Amare is a PICK AND ROLL BIGMAN THAT EVOLVED. His game at its core is PNR all game either a pick and pop or a foul or dunk/layup. Then when we establish that he can iso to open up the game even more. We keep acting as if Amare instantly became bad when just 2 years ago he was a legit MVP candidate and was unstoppable.
The play that we will see that will address the whole "can him and chandler work" is the the 2 high pick and rolls at the top of the keep, either the option to either use a chandler or STAT screen or the double screen play that Felton used alot in the first Brooklyn game(although he sucked and couldnt score off of the open shots he had).
Our team will be dominant with Amare and you guys will thank god Knicks FO/Management kept him. Our 3's will dwindle but our points in the paint and rebounding will improve.
Amare is one of the hardest workers in the league, his recovery from his knee injuries were similar to what AP is doing in Minnesota. Amare is one guy i can say wont try his best every night, he may be defensively challenged but trust he will get better.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:47 am
by Orange N Blue
Orange N Blue wrote:We as Knick fans should be ashamed of ourselves.
Amare came off one of the most gruelling physical and mental seasons a player can go through and he still put up numbers David West put up in his prime WITHOUT A PG THAT CAN GET HIM THE BALL.
David West's best season: 08-09 which subsequently was CP3 best year
21ppg/8.5reb/2.3ast/.6stl/.9blk/47.2%FG/39.2MPG
STAT 2011-2012:
17.5ppg/7.8reb/1.1AST/.8stl/1Blk/48.3%FG/32,8MPG
Amare had in our minds a bad year but his STATS would surpass Wests if he had 39 MPG and like i said earlier WE HAD NO PG TO GIVE HIM THE BALL.
Theirs a difference between running a pick and roll to get assists and finding players spots on the floor, with J-LIN it was either pick and roll lob or a shot, he did not know how to orchestrate an offense so this hindered Amare significantly because all of his points were face-up jumpers or drives to the basket and he could never get the ball while on the move which is what his game is built around before anything else.
Amare is a guy that needs moment to be at his best, his ISO and Midrange come second but first we need to establish him in the PNR and with Lin and especially Douglas we could not do that at all.
Amare is a PICK AND ROLL BIGMAN THAT EVOLVED. His game at its core is PNR all game either a pick and pop or a foul or dunk/layup. Then when we establish that he can iso to open up the game even more. We keep acting as if Amare instantly became bad when just 2 years ago he was a legit MVP candidate and was unstoppable.
The play that we will see that will address the whole "can him and chandler work" is the the 2 high pick and rolls at the top of the keep, either the option to either use a chandler or STAT screen or the double screen play that Felton used alot in the first Brooklyn game(although he sucked and couldnt score off of the open shots he had).
Our team will be dominant with Amare and you guys will thank god Knicks FO/Management kept him. Our 3's will dwindle but our points in the paint and rebounding will improve.
Amare is one of the hardest workers in the league, his recovery from his knee injuries were similar to what AP is doing in Minnesota. Amare is one guy i can say will try his best every night, he may be defensively challenged but trust he will get better.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:06 am
by fdr2012
I don't think Pau/Chandler works. Pau can't guard most 4s in this league and neither can Chandler. On offense, Pau will take away a lot of our spacing.
If We did Pau for Amare, we would probably have Pau come off the bench for Chandler. I would at least give Amare a chance before doing it. Amare is the better fit.
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:41 am
by Capn'O
RodStrickland wrote:I don't know Amaré well enough to do Pau.
Pau Gasol sleeps with the fishes!
That being said, I'd rather NY play at least 20-30 games to find out if the top 8-9 (which would include Amaré and Shump) are a solid rotation. You have to give Amaré at least that chance.
Fantastic first post. Now STFU and GTFO!
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:50 am
by blueNorange
TheGarden wrote:I wanna see how STAT works out. People say spacing will be an issue but in reality we have great spacing with Ronnie fccuking Brewer in the game STAT is a better shooter and should thrive with Kidd/Felton, defense is a whole new story
clearly you don't understand what spacing means
Re: Would you do Pau for Amare right now?
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:32 am
by gavran
blueNorange wrote:TheGarden wrote:I wanna see how STAT works out. People say spacing will be an issue but in reality we have great spacing with Ronnie fccuking Brewer in the game STAT is a better shooter and should thrive with Kidd/Felton, defense is a whole new story
clearly you don't understand what spacing means
He was a point though, all Amar'e has to do is play SG/SF.