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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#141 » by StephNYKurry » Thu Feb 7, 2013 9:02 pm

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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#142 » by Iamphilhughes » Thu Feb 7, 2013 9:22 pm

Kn1cksNation wrote:Novak draws the teams opposing defenders to play right up on him, allowing teams to not necessarily double team knowing of Novaks 3 pt prowess. So yeah he might not be scoring in big chunks but him just being on the floor is good for offense, defense he really needs help with...which hurts us, but I see no reason for the knicks to make ANY moves. Good chemistry will win us a championship


I really hate this argument. To me, its just making excuses for a crappy player. Any player who is a good 3 point shooter would provide spacing. I have no clue why Woodson plays him for long stretches. Mind boggling. He should be getting 10 minutes per game not upwards of 20 or more. When Woodson plays him and Amare at the same time it makes me cringe. But I suppose thats more on Woody.

Copeland should take all of Novaks minutes. Cope is a good 3 point shooter and is a way more versatile scorer than Novak. Both are bad defensively but I refuse to believe Cope can be worse on D than Novak. Novak is only effective when he is still standing still and open. What a joke. His off-season improvements? A PUMPFAKE! Thats your 4 million/year man right there. This scrub is laughing all the way to the bank. But hey, at least he does a snazzy discount double check!

You'll see-he wont do crap when it matters in the playoffs or against good defensive teams. Waste of 4 million.
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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#143 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Feb 7, 2013 9:36 pm

Iamphilhughes wrote:
Kn1cksNation wrote:Novak draws the teams opposing defenders to play right up on him, allowing teams to not necessarily double team knowing of Novaks 3 pt prowess. So yeah he might not be scoring in big chunks but him just being on the floor is good for offense, defense he really needs help with...which hurts us, but I see no reason for the knicks to make ANY moves. Good chemistry will win us a championship


I really hate this argument. To me, its just making excuses for a crappy player. Any player who is a good 3 point shooter would provide spacing.



LOL,

just because you hate it doesnt mean its not true. And yes, any good 3 point threat would do that but the quicker release and more accurate shooter does it better.


he needs to get better at taking shots because he misses every shot he doesnt take. but he does spread the floor. The real problem is he can be covered by the opposing teams worst defensive player
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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#144 » by frothbrain » Thu Feb 7, 2013 9:38 pm

If a team wants Novak, you trade him and make better use of the cap space next season.

Novak is a great shooter when open. That's far too limited a role for a 4 million dollar player. Vet min great, but not 4 million in cap space.
Better/more complete players can be had for that money.
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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#145 » by Iamphilhughes » Thu Feb 7, 2013 9:50 pm

[quote="NoLayupRule"]
LOL,

just because you hate it doesnt mean its not true. And yes, any good 3 point threat would do that but the quicker release and more accurate shooter does it better.
/quote]

So why not resign Roger Mason Jr for the vet min who is hitting 41% from 3pt line if he's just going to camp out in the corner and hope someone leaves him wide open? Are those 3 percentage points worth a million each?
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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#146 » by Thugger HBC » Thu Feb 7, 2013 9:56 pm

Roger Mason does not command defense like Novak does.

I dont think I've ever seen a team tell their players to stay near Mason at all costs...he's brick Mason for a reason.

The solid career three point specialist make the money than Novak does, they all do.

Roger Mason is not that dude.
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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#147 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Feb 7, 2013 9:59 pm

Iamphilhughes wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:LOL,

just because you hate it doesnt mean its not true. And yes, any good 3 point threat would do that but the quicker release and more accurate shooter does it better.
/quote]

So why not resign Roger Mason Jr for the vet min who is hitting 41% from 3pt line if he's just going to camp out in the corner and hope someone leaves him wide open? Are those 3 percentage points worth a million each?


A} if we dumped Novak for an expiring we wouldnt be under the cap and the savings would have no influence on the team. None. Zero.

B} Mason Jr was here the year before last and was exactly useless. How quickly we forget it seems
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Post#148 » by Iamphilhughes » Thu Feb 7, 2013 10:06 pm

I just chose a solid 3 point shooter to show that you can find a much cheaper player to camp out in the corner since thats literally the only thing he does. You can take out Roger Mason Jr. and insert any good 3 point shooter making the vet minimum. Point being, most solid 3 point shooters can hit 3's at a 40% clip or more if wide open and can be had at a cheaper price.

Even though Novak's income may not affect the cap situation, he still is grossly overpaid.
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Post#149 » by NoLayupRule » Thu Feb 7, 2013 10:11 pm

Iamphilhughes wrote:I just chose a solid 3 point shooter to show that you can find a much cheaper player to camp out in the corner since thats literally the only thing he does. You can take out Roger Mason Jr. and insert any good 3 point shooter making the vet minimum. Point being, most solid 3 point shooters can hit 3's at a 40% clip or more if wide open and can be had at a cheaper price.


if that was so, and if anyone with a solid 3 could pull defenses out, we'd have had a guy like that on this team for years. Its not so.

Iamphilhughes wrote:Even though Novak's income may not affect the cap situation, he still is grossly overpaid.


again, who cares?

Camby is overpaid too. So is 90% of the league. They are all grossly overpaid. what does it matter when its not limiting us in our moves or signings. In fact its easy to move a reasonable contract like his at any time.


this is a straw man.

There is no issue with Novak besides his inability to get open or hit shots on the road. Its not a contract issue
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Post#150 » by Iamphilhughes » Thu Feb 7, 2013 10:15 pm

Yeah, you're right, the income is moot because it has no bearing on the cap. Lets just agree to disagree about finding cheaper alternatives to camp out then.

My real point was that Cope should get Novak's minutes since hes a good 3 point shooter and brings more to the table.
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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#151 » by StephNYKurry » Thu Feb 7, 2013 10:17 pm

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Post#152 » by Thugger HBC » Thu Feb 7, 2013 10:29 pm

Iamphilhughes wrote:I just chose a solid 3 point shooter to show that you can find a much cheaper player to camp out in the corner since thats literally the only thing he does. You can take out Roger Mason Jr. and insert any good 3 point shooter making the vet minimum. Point being, most solid 3 point shooters can hit 3's at a 40% clip or more if wide open and can be had at a cheaper price.

Even though Novak's income may not affect the cap situation, he still is grossly overpaid.

Roger Mason aint solid, and the solid ones make more than 4 mil on average.
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Re: Trade Novak. 

Post#153 » by Brooklyn_Yards » Fri Feb 8, 2013 4:35 am

Too bad we don't have picks we could maybe make this work if we did.

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