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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#46 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:15 am

alphad0gz wrote:...Not to mention that there is huge difference between a bad cold and the flu. If you don't get on top of the flu in the first day or two, you are in it for the haul. A bad cold? A week or so of discomfort. You can die from the flu.


You're the same guy who was urging I'mcominghome to rush to the ER for some stomach pain... and when they checked him out they told him he had "impacted fecal matter"... :lol: Come on man if a fly took a crap on your shoulder you'd fear for your life.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#47 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:22 am

Boyz of 4d wrote:As I said in my previous post, I'm not anti-vitamins or herbs (I prescribe certain ones to my patients for certain condition) nor am I trying to initiate a flame war.

However the literature on vitamins and the flu is shaky at best. The reason I mentioned the FDA is because they oversee what medical companies can say. For example if the research doesn't show that drug X doesn't cure disease Y they can't make that claim (although sometimes further research shows things may not be as effective as originally thought or effective at all...).

However since there is no group that governs on these vitamins, supplements, herbs these types of claims can be made (some may be true, but it's not a requirement for their advertisements)...My point is to blindly agree/disagree with what someone says without actually reading the literature is silly.

Also, if a medicine/vitamin/etc is shown to be beneficial on phagocytes there is no guarantee that carries over to overall benefit. There are many treatments/effects that are seen in individual cells or in animal models that don't translate out (for example the scare between PPI's and plavix a few years ago).


Since when did Andrographis become a Vitamin?

And since you're an MD explain this to me...

http://www.foundhealth.com/viral-upper- ... drographis

And this...

http://www.foundhealth.com/viral-upper- ... drographis

It seems to me that Andrographis according to the first link is exactly what Wingo needed... and at least is not harmful.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#48 » by duetta » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:29 am

Got a Flu shot in September, got the flu in October (came down with serious symptoms the day after the Hurricane)...but it mercifully wasn't a long one, and I was able to be back at work by Monday (when downtown Manhattan reopened).

My co-worker got his flu shot on Saturday - and by Monday he had symptoms, and he's been out ever since!

Boy, this flu shot stuff can be hit or miss!
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#49 » by Boyz of 4d » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:38 am

As I said man, vitamins, herbs, etc may be beneficial in certain treatments. My comments towards vitamins was in relation to one of the above posters (it may not have been you) mentioning something about high dose vitamin C.

Looking at the information/link you provided, it seems that andrographis improves symptom duration but has no effect on mortality (not that quality of life isn't important). I'm not saying its not beneficial, but it's also doesn't prevent the bad outcomes of the flu (such as pneumonia). The only thing to my knowledge that has been shown to improve mortality/progression to worsening disease is tamiflu.

This thread has become become exactly what I did not want however and as a result I'm going to stop arguing. My intention of my original post was to provide medical information.

As I'm sure you've heard the NE area has been basically a huge area for the flu, and I've unfortunately seen many bad outcomes in young people which is why I recommended what I did in my original post (it really is a shame to see young people have a bad outcome from something that could be prevented).

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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#50 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:43 am

duetta wrote:Got a Flu shot in September, got the flu in October (came down with serious symptoms the day after the Hurricane)...but it mercifully wasn't a long one, and I was able to be back at work by Monday (when downtown Manhattan reopened).

My co-worker got his flu shot on Saturday - and by Monday he had symptoms, and he's been out ever since!

Boy, this flu shot stuff can be hit or miss!


The only thing I can think of is that it takes a few days for the virus to incubate in your body before you start to feel the symptoms. So maybe you already were infected when you got the shot? I had to visit a client in one of the prisons here in Pa. That was on Wednesday. I was in the waiting area during shift change when all these correctional officers signed into work. I'm sure that's where I got it. Sunday is when I started feeling the symptoms.

Try getting the shot a little earlier next time. I think I'm going to get one next year.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#51 » by Boyz of 4d » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:46 am

Flu vaccine does not cover ALL strains of the flu, it covers the most common ones. Some possible explanaitons include; you got a strain of flu that you were not vaccinated against, you didn't develop antibodies quick enough, or you didn't actually get the flu, but possibly a different viral illness (did you actually have a positive rapid flu test or do you just think you had the flu...the only way to truly confirm the flu is a positive viral test)
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#52 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:51 am

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duetta wrote:Got a Flu shot in September, got the flu in October (came down with serious symptoms the day after the Hurricane)...but it mercifully wasn't a long one, and I was able to be back at work by Monday (when downtown Manhattan reopened).

My co-worker got his flu shot on Saturday - and by Monday he had symptoms, and he's been out ever since!

Boy, this flu shot stuff can be hit or miss!


The only thing I can think of is that it takes a few days for the virus to incubate in your body before you start to feel the symptoms. So maybe you already were infected when you got the shot? I had to visit a client in one of the prisons here in Pa. That was on Wednesday. I was in the waiting area during shift change when all these correctional officers signed into work. I'm sure that's where I got it. Sunday is when I started feeling the symptoms.

Try getting the shot a little earlier next time. I think I'm going to get one next year.


Check this link out..

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthings ... 11604a.htm

Yes and no... the flu vaccine will be more effective some years than others. The CDC predicted that the vaccine developed for the winter of 2003/2004 wasn't going to be effective against most cases of the flu because the strains covered by the vaccine weren't the same as the strains that were common. Highly targeted vaccines work, but only against their targets! There's no point in accepting the risks of a vaccine for a disease you can't get. When the flu vaccine is on-target, it's more effective. Even then, the vaccine isn't perfect because it uses inactivated virus. Is that bad? No. A live vaccine is more effective, but much more risky.

Bottom line: The flu vaccine varies in effectiveness from year-to-year. Even in a best-case scenario, it won't always protect against the flu. The CDC study didn't say that the vaccine didn't work; it says the vaccine didn't protect people from getting sick. Even with imperfect effectiveness, the vaccine is indicated for certain people. In my opinion, however, the vaccine isn't for everyone and certainly shouldn't be required for otherwise healthy people.


Disclaimer... the author is an MD. :lol:

In my 40 years I've never taken a Flu shot... I've had the flu *knocks on wood* luckily 2 or 3 times.

What I do is just make sure my immune system is strong and make sure my hygiene is impeccable.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#53 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:55 am

Boyz of 4d wrote:Flu vaccine does not cover ALL strains of the flu, it covers the most common ones. Some possible explanaitons include; you got a strain of flu that you were not vaccinated against, you didn't develop antibodies quick enough, or you didn't actually get the flu, but possibly a different viral illness (did you actually have a positive rapid flu test or do you just think you had the flu...the only way to truly confirm the flu is a positive viral test)


I just posted an article that says just what you said but goes more in depth.

Further the majority of people don't ever have the luxury (more importantly the money) to go get checked out when they have the flu or are sick in general... much less get a viral test done. Doctors are all about 'in and out' they just assume based on symptoms that a person has the flu.. prescribe whatever they're going to prescribe and send you on your way. <except for my doc.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#54 » by Boyz of 4d » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:57 am

a PhD is a different type of doctor than an MD (not that being a PhD discredits what she says).
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#55 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:59 am

Boyz of 4d wrote:a PhD is a different type of doctor than an MD (not that being a PhD discredits what she says).


Do you disagree with her?
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#56 » by Boyz of 4d » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:08 am

My view on the flu vaccine is kind of how I have alluded to in my prior posts.

It does not guarantee 100% that you will not obtain the flu, however it may decrease the chance (depending on the strain that is prevalent in your area/that year) that you get it. In my opinion, there is little downside in getting it, however the potential benefits may be huge.

A way to think about it (this is not a perfect example), is similar to wearing a seatbelt.:

Could you wear a seatbelt and never need it? Sure.
Could you be in an accident while wearing a seatbelt and still have a bad outcome/die? Yup.
Could you be in an accident and have your life saved because of it. Most definately.

I view the vaccine as Low risk, high reward (and is commonly given away for free or very cheap). That's why I advise it to my family and friends. BTW I have no other accounts, and you probably wont see me post much anymore unless it relates to medicine or a school I went to in the past. Have a good night :D
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#57 » by ibraheim718 » Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:10 am

Boyz of 4d wrote:My view on the flu vaccine is kind of how I have alluded to in my prior posts.

It does not guarantee 100% that you will not obtain the flu, however it may decrease the chance (depending on the strain that is prevalent in your area/that year) that you get it. In my opinion, there is little downside in getting it, however the potential benefits may be huge.

A way to think about it (this is not a perfect example), is similar to wearing a seatbelt.:

Could you wear a seatbelt and never need it? Sure.
Could you be in an accident while wearing a seatbelt and still have a bad outcome/die? Yup.
Could you be in an accident and have your life saved because of it. Most definately.

I view the vaccine as Low risk, high reward. That's why I advise it to my family and friends. BTW I have no other accounts, and you probably wont see me post much anymore unless it relates to medicine or a school I went to in the past. Have a good night :D


No worries.. you seem like a nice guy. Not a big deal... to each their own.
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Re: OT: The flu 

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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#59 » by HixNixKnicksTix » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:23 pm

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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#60 » by MaseInYourFace » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:32 pm

duetta wrote:Got a Flu shot in September, got the flu in October (came down with serious symptoms the day after the Hurricane)...but it mercifully wasn't a long one, and I was able to be back at work by Monday (when downtown Manhattan reopened).

My co-worker got his flu shot on Saturday - and by Monday he had symptoms, and he's been out ever since!

Boy, this flu shot stuff can be hit or miss!


Seems like your co-worker had the virus already when he got the shot. Too late. They tell you when you get the shot, it's well publicized, the flu shot is just a well educated guess. It protects you against about 70% of the flu currently out there but it's not 100% effective.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#61 » by Falstaffxx » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:40 pm

For the last couple days I've had a fever of almost 103. I went to the doctor and she said I had a throat infection and gave me antibiotics. It's both though - flu + throat infection.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#62 » by MaseInYourFace » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:04 pm

Falstaffxx wrote:For the last couple days I've had a fever of almost 103. I went to the doctor and she said I had a throat infection and gave me antibiotics. It's both though - flu + throat infection.


So you have a pretty bad bacterial infection and a flu virus attacking your body at same time? Damn, rough going...
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#63 » by alphad0gz » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:05 pm

You're the same guy who was urging I'mcominghome to rush to the ER for some stomach pain... and when they checked him out they told him he had "impacted fecal matter"... :lol: Come on man if a fly took a crap on your shoulder you'd fear for your life.


I don't remember posting any such thing but I will say this: If the pain had been a ruptured appendix, he likely dies. How smart are you then? You're quite the know-it-all. See people like you every day. OH,, and you don't know me at all so **** U.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#64 » by Falstaffxx » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:06 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
Falstaffxx wrote:For the last couple days I've had a fever of almost 103. I went to the doctor and she said I had a throat infection and gave me antibiotics. It's both though - flu + throat infection.


So you have a pretty bad bacterial infection and a flu virus attacking your body at same time? Damn, rough going...


Yeah, it hasn't been fun. I don't think my work is happy with the amount of time I've missed either. I do have a doctor's note now though.
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Re: OT: The flu 

Post#65 » by MaseInYourFace » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:09 pm

A lot of people think the flu is just a bad cold but it's actually much worse. I've gotten about two my whole life and both I was knocked out about 4 to 5 days. Don't worry about work, you have the note, in any case why would they want you coming in and making other people sick?
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