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Post#256 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:48 am by ORANGEandBLUE

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ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Gasol still has value. He was beasting in the olympics. He just needs to play center. If I'm LA, I'd pull the trigger on a deal for Corey Brewer and assorted expiring contracts, provided there's some other value there. If Denver can give up, say, Brewer, Chandler, and McGee, they should do it. The key is finding a third team that would give up decent guys on expirings for McGee and Chandler.

How about this one between Denver, LA, and BK? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bzakuk6


That trade you mentioned would put Denver approximately 7 million dollars over the tax threshold next year. The tax penalty for that is more than 11 million dollars. Denver openly admits that they will never pay the tax.

So no go.

What if they include some longer contracts (like Wilson and/or Dre) instead of Mozgov?
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Post#257 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:27 pm by seren

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
seren wrote:
ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Gasol still has value. He was beasting in the olympics. He just needs to play center. If I'm LA, I'd pull the trigger on a deal for Corey Brewer and assorted expiring contracts, provided there's some other value there. If Denver can give up, say, Brewer, Chandler, and McGee, they should do it. The key is finding a third team that would give up decent guys on expirings for McGee and Chandler.

How about this one between Denver, LA, and BK? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bzakuk6


That trade you mentioned would put Denver approximately 7 million dollars over the tax threshold next year. The tax penalty for that is more than 11 million dollars. Denver openly admits that they will never pay the tax.

So no go.

What if they include some longer contracts (like Wilson and/or Dre) instead of Mozgov?


That is more workable. Still I am not convinced they want to get older at this point.

I think teams like Toronto and Minnesota are more likely to be interested in Gasol.
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Post#258 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:50 pm by fdr2012

Denver has no interest in Gasol. Minny may want Gasol, but they can't match contracts in a way that makes sense.

The ONLY deal for Gasol to be made is for Bagniani and Calderon. If I were LA, I would grab that deal while it was still on the table.
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Post#259 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:21 pm by HarthorneWingo

If Howard could hit foul shots, it could've been a different outcome. I have to believe that he won't be back with LA next year.


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Post#260 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:41 pm by Capn'O

Gentry fired?! I have not been following the Suns too closely but it seemed like they were playing hard. That team is terrible. Their record seems about right.
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Post#261 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:05 pm by yaboynyp

fdr2012 wrote:Denver has no interest in Gasol. Minny may want Gasol, but they can't match contracts in a way that makes sense.

The ONLY deal for Gasol to be made is for Bagniani and Calderon. If I were LA, I would grab that deal while it was still on the table.



Wait the Raps will trade Bargs for Gasol?? What are they waiting on???
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Post#262 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:09 pm by mpharris36

yaboynyp wrote:
fdr2012 wrote:Denver has no interest in Gasol. Minny may want Gasol, but they can't match contracts in a way that makes sense.

The ONLY deal for Gasol to be made is for Bagniani and Calderon. If I were LA, I would grab that deal while it was still on the table.



Wait the Raps will trade Bargs for Gasol?? What are they waiting on???


i like that trade for both teams honestly.

Bargs is a mediocre srub but fits better in LA as a floor spacer rather than the main option in toronto

Calderon can give you a good 15-20 minutes off the bench and run the offense while Nash sits

Then for toronto

Gasol and Ed Davis is a good starting front court. Then you have Lowry and Derozan. That is a pretty solid team. Especially if Ross continues to improve.
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Post#263 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:24 pm by seren

Lakers are serious about 2014 and not messing with it for Bargnani. I more realistic trade is Calderon + one of their rookie contract players.
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Post#264 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:28 pm by yaboynyp

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yaboynyp wrote:
fdr2012 wrote:Denver has no interest in Gasol. Minny may want Gasol, but they can't match contracts in a way that makes sense.

The ONLY deal for Gasol to be made is for Bagniani and Calderon. If I were LA, I would grab that deal while it was still on the table.



Wait the Raps will trade Bargs for Gasol?? What are they waiting on???


i like that trade for both teams honestly.

Bargs is a mediocre srub but fits better in LA as a floor spacer rather than the main option in toronto

Calderon can give you a good 15-20 minutes off the bench and run the offense while Nash sits

Then for toronto

Gasol and Ed Davis is a good starting front court. Then you have Lowry and Derozan. That is a pretty solid team. Especially if Ross continues to improve.


Yeah the only person that loses in this is Gasol… Raps are hot garbage
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Post#265 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:32 pm by ORANGEandBLUE

Denver should want Gasol. Iggy and Miller will decline soon, and I'm not sure the Faried/McGee front court will every work.
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Post#266 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:31 pm by fdr2012

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:Denver should want Gasol. Iggy and Miller will decline soon, and I'm not sure the Faried/McGee front court will every work.


Gasol gives them nothing. Denver is not a win now team. They are not going to contend with Gasol and it makes no sense for them to pay the tax for him. This is a deal that simply cannot happen.
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Post#267 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:34 pm by fdr2012

yaboynyp wrote:Yeah the only person that loses in this is Gasol… Raps are hot garbage


Gasol doesn't lose out. He gets his trade kicker and he only has another year left, where he could take it easy and rehab himself without Kobe breathing down his neck.

He's going to grab $40M over the next 16 months and then he can head back to Spain to finish out his career.
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Post#268 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:44 pm by Capn'O

Gasol for Matrix/Kaman works in the checker... I like that one for both squadrons.
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Post#269 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:01 pm by fdr2012

Capn'O wrote:Gasol for Matrix/Kaman works in the checker... I like that one for both squadrons.


Zero chance. Cuban not sacrificing cap space for Gasol and Kaman is better than Pau ATM.
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Post#270 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:18 pm by Capn'O

fdr2012 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Gasol for Matrix/Kaman works in the checker... I like that one for both squadrons.


Zero chance. Cuban not sacrificing cap space for Gasol and Kaman is better than Pau ATM.


First claim may very well be true. The second is true statistically for this season (I know, I know, your favorite measure) but I think a change of scenery and the correct role will do Pau well. He was 17/10.5 last year at over 50%. I seriously doubt dude has declined that much at 32. His game is so skills based.
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Post#271 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:44 pm by Bran Fast Hands

I still believe that Pau can be a 18/10 guy for the next season or two. He'd do that comfortably at the Raptors for example.
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Post#272 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:24 am by fdr2012

Capn'O wrote:
fdr2012 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Gasol for Matrix/Kaman works in the checker... I like that one for both squadrons.


Zero chance. Cuban not sacrificing cap space for Gasol and Kaman is better than Pau ATM.


First claim may very well be true. The second is true statistically for this season (I know, I know, your favorite measure) but I think a change of scenery and the correct role will do Pau well. He was 17/10.5 last year at over 50%. I seriously doubt dude has declined that much at 32. His game is so skills based.


Pau seems like he's physically breaking down. I agree that he's a very skilled player, but when your knees are shot, it's difficult to show that skill. He starter playing at a very early age and he has a ton of mileage on him. You can't be that surprised at his decline.
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Post#273 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:29 am by fdr2012

Bran Fast Hands wrote:I still believe that Pau can be a 18/10 guy for the next season or two. He'd do that comfortably at the Raptors for example.


Raptors yes. Other places? probably not so much.
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Post#274 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:58 am by ORANGEandBLUE

fdr2012 wrote:Gasol gives them nothing. Denver is not a win now team. They are not going to contend with Gasol and it makes no sense for them to pay the tax for him. This is a deal that simply cannot happen.

Well let's assume for a second that Gasol is still the guy who should have won Finals MVP in 2010. If you add him to a team that is already a 4-6 seed, and you only give up bench players, how does that not lead to a contender?

And if Denver is not a win-now team, what are they? How do Iggy and Miller fit into any kind of long-term plan? What are they going to do with all of their players on cheap rookie contracts? At the rate they're going, they'll have to let most of them walk, and they'll be left with no assets to trade for the star that they desperately need.

Sorry, I know it's blasphemy to criticize Denver's FO. Their strategy of stockpile assets, playing "team ball," and perpetually losing in the first round (and then use the first round exits as fuel to whine about the plight of small market teams) is basically deserving of a Nobel Prize if you ask most nba analysts.
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Post#275 Re: Around the NBA part 3
Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:46 pm by god shammgod

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