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Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson.

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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#46 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:51 pm

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blue and orange wrote:KG is the better player then Tyson but Tyson has played better then KG this year.


Thats all that matters.


It's not true.


before I begin to criticize this statement would you care to back up that ridiculous statement with some facts? or statistics? instead of making a subjective comment like that

Record - Knicks much better than the celtics (edge tyson)
Scoring - KG is averaging 2 pts more than tyson while taking 5 more shots a game (tyson is shooting 67% while KG is shooting 51%)
Rebounding - Tyson killing KG (11 rebounds a game to 7 rebounds per game)
Defense - Tyson averging more blocks per game

Point out one area which KG is outplaying Tyson this year?

I don't mind a debate about a knicks player not being worthy of something but please have some relavent stats to back up your claim.

Tyson has had his clunkers this year but he is still the best center in the east. KG has had many more clunkers than TC this year.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#47 » by MaseInYourFace » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:54 pm

Its a fan vote. It is what it is. Our fans need to come out a bit harder next time...
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#48 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:56 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Its a fan vote. It is what it is. Our fans need to come out a bit harder next time...


fair pont, im not arguing whether or not Chandler deserved it over KG...it is a fan vote after all.

I'm arguing the ridiculous claim that KG is a better player than Tyson at this point in there careers.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#49 » by blumatic » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:03 pm

I misspoke. KG is the better player for his career. And his offensive skill set is better than Tyson. But Tyson has outplayed KG by far this year. And the Knicks are winning.

If the coaches voted KG wouldnt start. Im arguing for Tyson. Its s crime he is not starting.
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Post#50 » by KnicksManiac » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:10 pm

Starting lineup of Heat/Celtics/Knick. This should be interesting.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#51 » by KingzAndQueenz » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:26 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:Starting lineup of Heat/Celtics/Knick. This should be interesting.


Just came in to say this. This is going to be great. Hope the East can win for once.
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Post#52 » by SonOfMars » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:41 pm

10 players chosen, from only 6 teams :lol:
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#53 » by j4remi » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:46 pm

I love these kinds of results, because it makes me feel like I'm that much smarter than the average fan...KG over Tyson...WTF...Lin almost starting (I like Lin, but NO CHANCE in hell)!?
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#54 » by cgmw » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:49 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:Starting lineup of Heat/Celtics/Knick. This should be interesting.

The fact that I f*cking HAAAATTTTEEEE Wade, LeBron, Rondo and KG makes me kind of impressed with the NBA. I'm not sure it's an old-school 90s rivalry. More like a new-school contempt for jackass "superstars."
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#55 » by JustCame » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:01 pm

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KGs defense >>> Tysons defense


how so?

besides a few games this year where he didn't show up tyson is still the reining defensive player of the year and does much more

who blocks more shots - tyson
who gets more rebounds - tyson
who is he better post defender - tyson

garnett is probably the better help defender but that about it.


Look at the team defenses. Garnett anchors the Celtics and Tyson anchors the Knicks. Key difference? KG's Celtics are 7th in Points Allowed and Tyson's Knicks are 12th. The Celtics are more like a top 5 defense but they're last in the league in rebounds.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#56 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:24 pm

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GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
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KGs defense >>> Tysons defense


how so?

besides a few games this year where he didn't show up tyson is still the reining defensive player of the year and does much more

who blocks more shots - tyson
who gets more rebounds - tyson
who is he better post defender - tyson

garnett is probably the better help defender but that about it.


Look at the team defenses. Garnett anchors the Celtics and Tyson anchors the Knicks. Key difference? KG's Celtics are 7th in Points Allowed and Tyson's Knicks are 12th. The Celtics are more like a top 5 defense but they're last in the league in rebounds.


we have had felton out for a while and shumperts been out all season...that has greatly effected our perimeter defense. Tyson is only one man. There is a reason he won DPOY last year. He has to make up for a lot of our ineffeciencies on the defensive end.

the difference between 7th in the league in defense and 12 is so insignificant. The knicks allow 96.5 points a game while the celtics allow 95.7. That is a difference of .8 which means nothing in my book. We are a better defensive team than the celtics when healthy and most would agree with that i would hope.

We also play a much faster pace than the celtics so we score more but only allow .8 points more which is so insignificant.

Not knocking Garnett as a player he is a hall of famer and still a quality player in the league even though he is a huge d-bag. No one in there right mind would ever swap Chandler for KG currently...that would be beyond stupid.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#57 » by j4remi » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:28 pm

JustCame wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
JustCame wrote:
KGs defense >>> Tysons defense


how so?

besides a few games this year where he didn't show up tyson is still the reining defensive player of the year and does much more

who blocks more shots - tyson
who gets more rebounds - tyson
who is he better post defender - tyson

garnett is probably the better help defender but that about it.


Look at the team defenses. Garnett anchors the Celtics and Tyson anchors the Knicks. Key difference? KG's Celtics are 7th in Points Allowed and Tyson's Knicks are 12th. The Celtics are more like a top 5 defense but they're last in the league in rebounds.


Garnett also has Rondo and now Avery Bradley on the perimeter. The Knick D has been 12th in points allowed DESPITE piss poor perimeter D up to this point (now with Shump back it should improve).

Even if you want to say the C's team D is better bc of KG over Tyson, how about team success? The Knicks are clearly weaker defensively but very clearly superior in overall team success and record...Plus that team defense rating doesn't change Tyson's rebounding, blocking and efficiency advantages to go along with scoring just a couple points less per game (so individual numbers, Tyson is head and shoulders above KG). There simply aren't enough numbers to reasonably place KG above Tyson imo.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#58 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:45 pm

Wow. The East has no big men :(
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Post#59 » by Orange Mamba » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:26 pm

A bit ot but Shaq, C-Webb and Barkley think JR should be an all star reserve

edit: and Reggie Miller and Steve Kerr. that'd be sick to have three of our guys at the all star game
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Post#60 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:54 pm

Dwight Howard
LaMarcus Aldridge
Tim Duncan
Al Jefferson
Kevin Love
ZBo
Marc Gasol
Dirk
Blake Griffin
Cousins
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vs.

Tyson Chandler
Chris Bosh
1000 year old Garnett
"You gotta be Joakim" Noah
Blopez
Carlos Boozer
Dr. Hibbert
Josh Smith

:lol: depressing. shoulda voted in STAT! Maybe even Vucevic
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Re: Carmelo Anthony named all-star starter. KG over Tyson. 

Post#61 » by smith2373 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:43 pm

JustCame wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
JustCame wrote:
KGs defense >>> Tysons defense


how so?

besides a few games this year where he didn't show up tyson is still the reining defensive player of the year and does much more

who blocks more shots - tyson
who gets more rebounds - tyson
who is he better post defender - tyson

garnett is probably the better help defender but that about it.


Look at the team defenses. Garnett anchors the Celtics and Tyson anchors the Knicks. Key difference? KG's Celtics are 7th in Points Allowed and Tyson's Knicks are 12th. The Celtics are more like a top 5 defense but they're last in the league in rebounds.


The Celtics are a top 3 defense statistically when KG's on the floor, the only reason why their rank is so low for their standards is because the defense, especially in the interior, falls apart when he goes to the bench.

Personally, even as a Celtics fan, I don't think KG should be starting. Joakim Noah should've been starting at center for the East.
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Post#62 » by Tron Carter » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:07 am

The Celtics are also a 7th seed and Garnett is getting out rebounded by Brook Lopez
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Post#63 » by smith2373 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:14 am

So? KG hasn't been a strong rebounder in years. He was a 8-9 rebound guy playing over 30 minutes, now that he's playing under 30 he averages 7.

Brook Lopez is having a great year as well. As is Tyson Chandler. As is Joakim Noah. As is Chris Bosh. As is Horford and Josh Smith. As is Kevin Garnett.

There's a lot of bigs in the East having great years. No matter how you slice it, there's gonna be some worthy guys getting snubbed. Sucks, but it is what it is.
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Post#64 » by GONYK » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:17 am

We all know Lebron will cry and Bosh will get it.
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Post#65 » by Stannis » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:33 am

Knicks should do better in the All-Star voting, considering their market size (look at Boston and LA).

Question, can one person only vote for one forward? For instance, next season, Amar'e is healthy and is playing with Melo. Can someone vote for Melo and Amar'e on the same ballet?

I have never done an All-Star vote, don't want the jury duty.
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