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when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby popeye7318 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:30 pm

After watching shump today and with felton coming back, our backcourt depth and perimeter defense has become a strength. If healthy, this backcourt might be one of the tougher backcourt to deal with in the league. These two are ultra confident, aggressive, and have a blue collar type approach to the game. They might not be the most talented but they are two players you root for because they wear their emotion on their sleeve. Also they are play makers on both ends. If its either a big steal, drive and dish, or a dunk, they will complement carmelo very well. I am probably little to optimistic but this could be a special tandem.

What other backcourts out there would give these two a problem?
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby br7knicks on Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:45 pm

popeye7318 wrote:After watching shump today and with felton coming back, our backcourt depth and perimeter defense has become a strength. If healthy, this backcourt might be one of the tougher backcourt to deal with in the league. These two are ultra confident, aggressive, and have a blue collar type approach to the game. They might not be the most talented but they are two players you root for because they wear their emotion on their sleeve. Also they are play makers on both ends. If its either a big steal, drive and dish, or a dunk, they will complement carmelo very well. I am probably little to optimistic but this could be a special tandem.

What other backcourts out there would give these two a problem?


jennings ellis

shump can't guard both. i think felton is not a bad defender. but ellis/jennings offense > felton's defense.


not a lot of outside shooting with felton running the point and shump playing the 2. felton is better at penetrating than shooting 3's. not sure if shump is really that much better at 3's compared to last year. what'd he shoot, 30%?
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby Brooklyn_Yards on Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:51 pm

We had no problems with Jennings/Ellis with Kidd/Felton guarding them. With more chemistry it can be a good combo, how good we'll have to wait and see. I think Prigs/Shump will be our best perimeter defense combo.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby popeye7318 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:56 pm

Brooklyn_Yards wrote:We had no problems with Jennings/Ellis with Kidd/Felton guarding them. With more chemistry it can be a good combo, how good we'll have to wait and see. I think Prigs/Shump will be our best perimeter defense combo.


Woodson has numerous combinations to experiment with in the backcourt. I hope he can find the best rotations.

I think back to the boston game with avery bradley. He was an absolute pest. Hopefully shump can neutralize avery.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby NoLayupRule on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:12 pm

the interesting thing will be if Woodson goes back to the small ball that we started with

might he replace Shump and brewer?

Kidd and Felton in the backcourt worked great for us for a long while. Kidd can defend those 2s and he helps keep the ball moving really nicely.

Shump can guard most 3s in todays league and has a lot more scoring and slashing threat than Brewer did.

Im actually in favor of going bigger and making that work but if we continue to play small I think we might see this kind of thing

Felton
Kidd
Shumpy
Melo
Chandler

especially against eastern teams
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby Pharmcat on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:19 pm

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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby Grinditout on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:24 pm

I just wanna see a Prigioni/Shump full court press one time.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby boomann21 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:24 pm

Hellacious!! I'm getting more excited by the hour, but I don't want to pre-ejaculate my load. Who should start though? Do you put Shump at sf and keep Kidd in the back court? I saw Shump holding Tayshaun Prince a lot in the first half.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby biggyfuzz on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:09 pm

when fully healthy which i expect our whole team to be by all-star break, this team will compete for a championship this year


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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby Thugger HBC on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:23 pm

Just wondering, Why can't the second unit go small and let the starting unit be a little more conventional?

Felton Shump Copeland Melo Tyson.......just hide Cope a little on defense.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby Dr. Detfink on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:26 am

Let's not mistake Felton and Shump with one of the best back courts in the NBA. Felton's D is erratic, despite giving his best efforts. Shump's offensive game needs to grow in order for the Knicks to continue finding ways to spread the floor.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby gavran on Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:08 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:Let's not mistake Felton and Shump with one of the best back courts in the NBA. Felton's D is erratic, despite giving his best efforts. Shump's offensive game needs to grow in order for the Knicks to continue finding ways to spread the floor.

No one said anything close to that.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby KingOf NY on Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:16 am

İ would much rather see kidd at the 2 and shumpert at the 3.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby popeye7318 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:24 am

NoLayupRule wrote:the interesting thing will be if Woodson goes back to the small ball that we started with

might he replace Shump and brewer?

Kidd and Felton in the backcourt worked great for us for a long while. Kidd can defend those 2s and he helps keep the ball moving really nicely.

Shump can guard most 3s in todays league and has a lot more scoring and slashing threat than Brewer did.

Im actually in favor of going bigger and making that work but if we continue to play small I think we might see this kind of thing

Felton
Kidd
Shumpy
Melo
Chandler

especially against eastern teams


I think thats woodson's inclination to play small ball. However I hope he adapts to teams like memphis and chicago who want to play big.
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Re: when healthy, shump & felton will be tough matchup

Postby br7knicks on Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:56 am

NoLayupRule wrote:the interesting thing will be if Woodson goes back to the small ball that we started with

might he replace Shump and brewer?

Kidd and Felton in the backcourt worked great for us for a long while. Kidd can defend those 2s and he helps keep the ball moving really nicely.

Shump can guard most 3s in todays league and has a lot more scoring and slashing threat than Brewer did.

Im actually in favor of going bigger and making that work but if we continue to play small I think we might see this kind of thing

Felton
Kidd
Shumpy
Melo
Chandler

especially against eastern teams


that's the lineup i was pushing for a while. you ever criticized me for stating that exact one! you said amare is going to have to come back and be pushed into the starting lineup, but that's the one i proposed!


Brooklyn_Yards wrote:We had no problems with Jennings/Ellis with Kidd/Felton guarding them. With more chemistry it can be a good combo, how good we'll have to wait and see. I think Prigs/Shump will be our best perimeter defense combo.


neither guy dropped 30+ points, you're right. but either one of them has the ability to do so, and they both shot well from the court but didn't put up their typical high volume FGA. maybe that was from great defense, but it was also a different lineup (no kidd, so there's that).

i'd love to see prigs/shump do work.
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