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Post#16 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:58 am by Tron Carter

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ctorres wrote:Was going to make this its own thread, but decided to just post it here.

In our 14 losses:
- Only ONE loss has been a blowout (103-131 to Houston)
- Besides that, only TWO other losses have been by 10 or more points (95-105 to Memphis, 96-109 to Houston)
- The other 11 losses have all been decided by ONLY three possessions or less!

See for yourselves... http://www.basketball-reference.com/tea ... games.html

I'm not saying it's not a weakness that we've struggled to finish games, but think about it for a second. It's incredibly hard to blow the Knicks out, let alone actually beat the Knicks. Just about every loss we've had has been a close game. We may lack execution towards the end of some games, but we've been in almost every single game (except ONLY three, and even a 10 point loss isn't much!). I mean, Miami has lost 6 of their games by 10+ points, 4 of them were blowouts, 2 having been to the Knicks!

In conclusion, I think the Knicks are doing fine because outside of Houston and Memphis, every loss we've had has been hard fought and could have gone either way. That to me is a sign of a team that's on the right track. Posters here keep saying that the rest of the league has us figured out, but the reality is that most of those teams have barely scraped by against us.


Solid point, but that doesn't account for games like the 2 against Chicago where we got our ass handed to us and made "too little too late" comebacks to get the game under 10. There were a few more games like that.

Teams that consistently lose close games show lack of execution.

It's a solid point, but I don't really think it is the badge of honor you make it out to be.


I don't believe this post is used as a "badge of honor" but more of a reminder that we are for the most part in these games.

I mostly took for it that we aren't executing the way we should to close out games and these are problems that aren't out of the stratosphere of being corrected.
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Post#17 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:58 am by br7knicks

i like your analysis thugger, and agree with a lot of it.

just think it'd be better that this come after a win. too many debbie downers.
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Post#18 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:00 am by SMAC-K

At the end of the day its still only January and no championship was ever won in January. All this talk of teams have figured us out stuff is silly. They figured out what exactly? That our team has shooters who like to shoot and that we currently don't have good guard penetration or post play? Wow that's genius.
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Post#19 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:12 am by Tron Carter

SMAC-K wrote:At the end of the day its still only January and no championship was ever won in January. All this talk of teams have figured us out stuff is silly. They figured out what exactly? That our team has shooters who like to shoot and that we currently don't have good guard penetration or post play? Wow that's genius.


It doesn't matter because Chicago doesn't have Rose. Our rosters are identical if you haven't realized

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Post#20 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:14 am by Tron Carter

SMAC-K wrote:At the end of the day its still only January and no championship was ever won in January. All this talk of teams have figured us out stuff is silly. They figured out what exactly? That our team has shooters who like to shoot and that we currently don't have good guard penetration or post play? Wow that's genius.


It doesn't matter because Chicago doesn't have Rose. Our rosters are identical if you haven't realized

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Post#21 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:15 am by Tron Carter

SMAC-K wrote:At the end of the day its still only January and no championship was ever won in January. All this talk of teams have figured us out stuff is silly. They figured out what exactly? That our team has shooters who like to shoot and that we currently don't have good guard penetration or post play? Wow that's genius.


It doesn't matter because Chicago doesn't have Rose. Our rosters are identical if you haven't realized

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Post#22 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:21 am by basketboule

I don't know, it seems totally inaccurate to me to analyze this team's offensive possessions at the moment as the only real problem is that there is nobody igniting an offensive flow by penetrating to the basket in the early offense. If you have no PG who constantly and relentlessly drives and dishes off the high screen and roll (see: Rondo, Paul, Jrue, Westbrook, Nash, LeBron) there cannot possibly be an offensive flow.

This team has its hands tied to iso, it affects Melo, it affects Novak big time, it affects JR. Time to finally realize that.

I've been saying this for quite some time now. Once Felton comes back and is aggressive towards the basket (or chucking as the haters will call it) the offense will have its nice ball movement back and everyone can relax. Melo and JR will go back to finishing within the offense automatically, Novak will get looks, so will Copeland. Amare will be part of the PnR. Problem solved.
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Post#23 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:40 am by seren

I am a true believer of matchups. I know some people don't buy into regular season but I think problems are quite clear when you get beaten by the same team over and over again. Chicago losses do bother me. It is clear we are struggling against big teams who play decent help defense.

I also believe that solution is within this team. Amare/Melo/Chandler have to play together and they all have to play well. Benching a healthy Amare is no great sin than what DAntoni is doing in L.A. Amare has to play and he has to play great. He needs to play defense and he has to be integrated in the offense. We are not that good of a team to have the luxury of bringing a 19 million dollar guy off the bench playing backup minutes.
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Post#24 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:43 am by RHODEY

Thugger.

Good points about Melo and JR....they have become the offense for better or worse. The biggest problem is when they shoot (too quickly) which leads to the too often. They can get the same shot whether its 8 seconds in or 8 seconds left on the 24, so why settle for quick jacks that don't make the defense work and appear as ISO heavy ball, locking out your other teammates from good shots off good movement is not good.

STAT to me is like gravy now. His offense is better than expected and his defense is no worse (possibly better). Its up to Woodson to use our more 1-way players wisely on offense. This means that Novak needs to shoot or be an effective decoy, but preferably shoot because he hurts the team a bit on the other side of the ball. Ditto STAT. This is Prigs job and to a lesser extent JR's job, negate the negative by accentuating the positive.

We obviously miss Felton. He got into the lane alot and made **** happen, getting guys open through penetration. Perhaps we haven't had to have a lot of ball movement so far because of that, but are now paying? Our turnover number could be eschewed because of this.

Once Camby and/or Sheed return it gives us alot of bigger looks, but these also more 1-way players. I get freaked when I see too many of the specialist types on the floor....We had some serious D Deficient units running the 2nd, STAT and Novak, maybe Cope too? It needs more balance. If you want to run STAT at center, best to have some hounding perimeter players at worse to off-set the interior D.

Key players this year: Melo, Chandler, Felton

All 3 are make others better and work well together. Melo has shown he makes other better w his assists, he is even finding STAT (see defense issue above). Felton gets in the lane and makes the defense react, a surgical strike for getting spacing for 3 point shooters and the throwdown for the big man.

This team is going to endure more close loses until Felton gets back, Shump & STATs roles are defined, and we get some bigs back. Then Woodson needs to figure out the rotation. I look for the team to go on a tare after the all-star break but lose some tough games until then.
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Post#25 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:50 am by blumatic

seren wrote:I am a true believer of matchups. I know some people don't buy into regular season but I think problems are quite clear when you get beaten by the same team over and over again. Chicago losses do bother me. It is clear we are struggling against big teams who play decent help defense.

I also believe that solution is within this team. Amare/Melo/Chandler have to play together and they all have to play well. Benching a healthy Amare is no great sin than what DAntoni is doing in L.A. Amare has to play and he has to play great. He needs to play defense and he has to be integrated in the offense. We are not that good of a team to have the luxury of bringing a 19 million dollar guy off the bench playing backup minutes.



Here is where I contridict myself. STAT is 9 games in to his return. He has 11 more games in his rehabilitation, but Woody is gonna have to draw plays for Amare epecially when Melo is off the floor. And STAT needs that jumper. WIth the jumper he is a devestating cover for opposing big man. And he needs more shots. He only had 10 last night. He should be getting closer to 20 shots a game.

Tyson, Melo, and Amare must play well together. And Amare may not be a great one on one or team defender. But he should rebound. No excuse. Woody has to get on him about that. He houl be getting 7 defensive rebounds a game 2-4 offensive rebounds a game. No one boxes out anymore, he should be flying to grab those things.
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Post#26 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:57 am by moocow007

More and more the Knicks are beginning to play East-West on offense instead of North-South. That in turn results in too many jumpers and not enough shots closer to the basket. Yes, having Felton back will help that but the Knicks need to figure out a way to be able to penetrate and get higher percentage shots.

Rebounding is an issue yes, but toughness (mental/physical) may be a bigger concern. Yes, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby adds that but who knows how many games they'll play and if they will be able to make it through the season and into the playoffs.

Too much reliance on Anthony right now which is just playing into the opposing teams hands since they are basically daring anyone else to beat them. Result is too many 11-29 nights.

Realize that the Knicks road to anything in the playoffs will need to go through at least 2 of these 5 teams...Miami, Chicago, Indiana, Boston and Brooklyn. Of those 5, 4 of them will play extremely physical and will look to bully the Knicks. Can the Knicks not only handle the physicality but dish it out as well?

IMHO at this point, while you can argue that it's still early and that they can wait for all their players to get back, the reality is that there is such a thing as waiting too long. The Atlantic is no longer a guarantee (thanks to the Nets) so they simply cannot afford to give away games waiting for guys to get healthy.

A war isn't coming, it's hear already. They need to start playing like they are in one. And they need to evaluate the roster and bring in guys that can help them in the areas that they are weak at RIGHT NOW.

Drop White and Kurt Thomas and bring in Delonte West and Kenyon Martin...RIGHT NOW. West will go a long way to address the lack of penetration and he's very willing to attack the basket and draw defenses away from the perimeter which, in turn, will open up the Knicks shooters. West is a strong defender AND he also is a very good rebounder for his position. West also brings with him plenty of toughness and moxy. And he can shoot from the perimeter as well. Martin will help on off the boards and will bring a fighters mentality to this team that they are lacking right now. Neither White or Thomas are likely to do anything or contribute in any area.
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Post#27 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:09 am by ORANGEandBLUE

We need to get Brewer going again. Earlier in the season his ability to move without the ball, catch, and then find the open man on the perimeter was a huge part of our offense. Right now we just don't have enough high IQ guys on offense and as a result we are not seeing the great passing any more. I'd like to see him out there with Melo, Chandler, Felton, and Kidd for about 20 minutes a night.
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Post#28 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:13 am by GONYK

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:We need to get Brewer going again. Earlier in the season his ability to move without the ball, catch, and then find the open man on the perimeter was a huge part of our offense. Right now we just don't have enough high IQ guys on offense and as a result we are not seeing the great passing any more. I'd like to see him out there with Melo, Chandler, Felton, and Kidd for about 20 minutes a night.


So would the opposing defense

I do like Brewer though. I would have rather had him in for that last defensive possession than JR.
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Post#29 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:37 am by biggyfuzz

Thugger HBC wrote:We are near the half way mark, and i do think it's time to address the team.

Overall talent wins, but it takes much than such, and while their record is above expectation there are some things that need to be addressed if the goals are to be reached.

Firstly, I will say that all of these things upcoming are CORRECTABLE, but they are out there.

I repeat they are CORRECTABLE.

Now if you guys truly know me as a poster, I try to remain positive as I do watch alot of NBA games, not just the Knicks, I rarely blame role players or the officials, especially if they are playing in limited action.

I do have some points that I see that are of serious concerns of the team, and I have seen every single game.

From a team perspective, there has to be some type of offense and identity. Honestly I dont know what on earth they run....Iso and PNR is a simply basic basketball play, it is not an offense...and the team has yet to establish a true identity.

I do think the team is too "COOL WITH EACH OTHER". This sounds odd but every team with a championship mindset has at least one guy who just does his job doesn't create commotion but isn't buddy buddy with the club. They need to add this person somehow, which is why I'm not that sold on K-Mart, but I'd wouldn't oppose him, but ultimately the team needs an injection, some new blood.

Offensively, the team just does not play smart at times and have the appearance that each member on the floor is content trying to score on their own, and when they are struggling they refuse to try something else until they are down by a substantial margin. Less dribbling.... more passing. They also do not move well without the ball, but I'll address this in the player analysis.

Defensively at times, they either do it individually without talking, or lazily switch off and let someone else do it, or expect someone else to do it....which usually end up with no one securing a rebound and a wide open lane.

The effort seems to only be at it's highest when the game is on the line, and that cannot be the case for a team with title aspirations.

The team also is losing quite a few games AT HOME.....that is unacceptable no matter who the opponent is....14-6 at home is equal to 9th best in the league currently, and there is certainly not 9 contenders in the league.

I repeat these items are totally correctable....TOTALLY.

Now, I will address our starters....and I'm starting with the best player on the team Melo.

(Melo) Just because there is single coverage does not mean you have to shoot, I do not want to see Melo playing Kobe ball....sometimes that is the opposing teams gameplan, and watching pretty much every playoff bound team in the EC in Boston, Nets, Bulls in particular, which is who we have to get through to win, they all are covering Melo individually. I mention these three specifically because they very well could be our first round opponent. Dont fix this, and no need to worry about Miami, as we wont see them if we dont handle these teams first....and mind you they have all won in the GARDEN, they aren't afraid of our homecourt, they relish it.

Melo needs to simplify his game, play closer to the basket, he is quick and talented enough to drive and make quick decision whether to pass or go stronger to the cup, but taking 25 shots or more on 42% shooting of the last 10-15 games or so, is not winning basketball, and more times than none you're gonna come out on the losing end. He also must take a legit effort to rebounding, as the team is playing small for the most part and 6 boards is just not gonna cut it, and quite a few games he has walked away playing 40+ minutes and have much less. I think he has had double digit boards in only three games this season and that is as our full-time power forward....not acceptable.

Also he needs to attack the basket, not just strong layups, he needs to dunk the ball in the halfcourt and not just in transition, and sell the foul, make them call something WHILE FINISHING THE PLAY.

Also he has to communicate on offense and direct guys where to go, but that is assuming the team has a play book, which i can't say honestly they have one.

Melo needs to play smarter...he has all the talent in the world to do so.

Tyson I know this man has seen better and he certainly cannot be happy, but he is alot of times is a culprit of the teams issues.

Tyson needs to get back to talking on defense, even if no one is listening...keep talking, he dont need to have to do it himself because you dont TRUST the guys on the floor can do it, it makes the problem worse.

On offense Tyson needs to hit the gym and get those free throws up, he aint nearly this bad.

Kidd needs to become a bench player asap, and i know this is dependant on Felton returning, but must happen immediately up him returning, he just cannot guard starters for the most part anymore, not just from the opponent shooting but also stopping the plays being ran, but he will be needed come playoff time and must be fresh for that run. Offensively he does nothing but shoot threes, that's a bench role.

When Felton gets back he must impose his will...direct this team when he gets back, I think they miss that greatly, not just being a pg, but providing direction, a stability on the court.

Shump is getting back, so no jury there, although i do see he seems to be a willing shooter and if so, make those shots count, defensively no major issues, just needs to communicate, and that will come as his court time increase.

I'm not mentioning our Small Forward Position because apparently we really dont have one, it's done by committee far too often and must be solidified whomever it is.

The bench must have some organization as well.........

JR assumes the role of Melo alot, and the same rules that apply to Melo apply to JR. he's done better for the most part, but it seems his offense in particular needs to be wiser and he must pick his spots as well.

More drives, less threes, attract the defense, makes the same quick decisions that is expected from Melo.

Amare has been really good off the bench, and must be featured when on the court offensively, but has to gain court awareness, even if he fouls out doing so.

Novak needs to expand his game away from the three point line move better and prepared to catch and shoot and not worry about %'s, also needs to help out on the boards, and just be more aware on defense.

Now for the coaching.......

Woodson needs to get this team ACCOUNTABLE, even if it means making players mad.

He must become a motivator once again and take the reigns by the head.

My sig describes it all, minutes are precious, and each player must be held to the standard that they are one on the court and treat each minute like it is their last....which it should be if they are not playing with constant effort on both ends of the court.

At times the team is playing H.O.R.S.E. on offense and without any structure...they are winging it, and this is known by averaging close to the least amount of assists in the league....that's due to being stagnant, and lack of plays.

Defensively I think they are for the most part are close to expected, but must impose their will and only the coach can MAKE them do it.

He must also trust guys who are playing well and utilize them more, and not ride guys who are under-performing to the point they lose all their confidence. Far too many times a player is doing a solid job, only to be benched never to be seen again, yet some are allowed to fail.

He also must monitor guys minutes better as to provide proper rest and not ride them more than needed even if it cost the team a win here or there, as the season is a marathon.

Woodson instructed his top three highest paid to get their offenses expanded and I've yet to see much or any of those vaunted moves learned by Dream.....where are those post moves?

The road to the playoff is gonna be tougher not easier, he must guide this team to provide maximum effort primarily and willingness to make decisions that may not be to his natural liking.

Overall every aspect in this long and winded post is CORRECTABLE, i have no doubt of that, but must be made to achieve the greater things they desire.

Feel free to take a stab.


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I agree with all this, well said
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Post#30 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:10 am by basketboule

moocow007 wrote:More and more the Knicks are beginning to play East-West on offense instead of North-South. That in turn results in too many jumpers and not enough shots closer to the basket. Yes, having Felton back will help that but the Knicks need to figure out a way to be able to penetrate and get higher percentage shots.

Rebounding is an issue yes, but toughness (mental/physical) may be a bigger concern. Yes, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby adds that but who knows how many games they'll play and if they will be able to make it through the season and into the playoffs.

Too much reliance on Anthony right now which is just playing into the opposing teams hands since they are basically daring anyone else to beat them. Result is too many 11-29 nights.

Realize that the Knicks road to anything in the playoffs will need to go through at least 2 of these 5 teams...Miami, Chicago, Indiana, Boston and Brooklyn. Of those 5, 4 of them will play extremely physical and will look to bully the Knicks. Can the Knicks not only handle the physicality but dish it out as well?

IMHO at this point, while you can argue that it's still early and that they can wait for all their players to get back, the reality is that there is such a thing as waiting too long. The Atlantic is no longer a guarantee (thanks to the Nets) so they simply cannot afford to give away games waiting for guys to get healthy.

A war isn't coming, it's hear already. They need to start playing like they are in one. And they need to evaluate the roster and bring in guys that can help them in the areas that they are weak at RIGHT NOW.

Drop White and Kurt Thomas and bring in Delonte West and Kenyon Martin...RIGHT NOW. West will go a long way to address the lack of penetration and he's very willing to attack the basket and draw defenses away from the perimeter which, in turn, will open up the Knicks shooters. West is a strong defender AND he also is a very good rebounder for his position. West also brings with him plenty of toughness and moxy. And he can shoot from the perimeter as well. Martin will help on off the boards and will bring a fighters mentality to this team that they are lacking right now. Neither White or Thomas are likely to do anything or contribute in any area.


There's this other thread where D'Antoni is bashed for his unwillingness to bring over Prigioni. However you have to give him this: What Prigioni's game is lacking is exactly what you need to make Melo and Novak factors in a healthily fluent offense - which is an aggressive drive and kick with the ability to also actually attack.

You're right, Delonte West can do all that. I also believe Felton and Shump will provide that from within. Someone proposed Will Bynum a couple of weeks ago, I liked that. It is disappointing JR doesn't provide that at all. He plays just like Melo where he should rather attack the rim for them to mesh well next to each other.

Anyway, this will be fixed and it is IMO more than anything directly tied to this team's success.
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Post#31 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:16 am by RHODEY

moocow007 wrote:More and more the Knicks are beginning to play East-West on offense instead of North-South. That in turn results in too many jumpers and not enough shots closer to the basket. Yes, having Felton back will help that but the Knicks need to figure out a way to be able to penetrate and get higher percentage shots.

Rebounding is an issue yes, but toughness (mental/physical) may be a bigger concern. Yes, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby adds that but who knows how many games they'll play and if they will be able to make it through the season and into the playoffs.

Too much reliance on Anthony right now which is just playing into the opposing teams hands since they are basically daring anyone else to beat them. Result is too many 11-29 nights.

Realize that the Knicks road to anything in the playoffs will need to go through at least 2 of these 5 teams...Miami, Chicago, Indiana, Boston and Brooklyn. Of those 5, 4 of them will play extremely physical and will look to bully the Knicks. Can the Knicks not only handle the physicality but dish it out as well?

IMHO at this point, while you can argue that it's still early and that they can wait for all their players to get back, the reality is that there is such a thing as waiting too long. The Atlantic is no longer a guarantee (thanks to the Nets) so they simply cannot afford to give away games waiting for guys to get healthy.

A war isn't coming, it's hear already. They need to start playing like they are in one. And they need to evaluate the roster and bring in guys that can help them in the areas that they are weak at RIGHT NOW.

Drop White and Kurt Thomas and bring in Delonte West and Kenyon Martin...RIGHT NOW. West will go a long way to address the lack of penetration and he's very willing to attack the basket and draw defenses away from the perimeter which, in turn, will open up the Knicks shooters. West is a strong defender AND he also is a very good rebounder for his position. West also brings with him plenty of toughness and moxy. And he can shoot from the perimeter as well. Martin will help on off the boards and will bring a fighters mentality to this team that they are lacking right now. Neither White or Thomas are likely to do anything or contribute in any area.


Kenyon sure , Delonte ....from a skills standpoint yes but he is Crazy and he likes guns.Not a good mix. Would like someone who brings what he brings though
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Post#32 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:17 am by Thugger HBC

If Delonte acts up, you cut him...no harm to the team.
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Post#33 Re: "State of the Knicks" Season an
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:34 am by Knicksfan20

GONYK wrote:You've summed up what I've been noticing perfectly.

You are very accurate that these are correctable issues and I hope to see some adjustments made.

We have gotten to use to relying on out-talenting teams and not doing the actual basketball plays that separate good from great in this league.

Plain and simple, we need to go back to an offense. Run plays, where players have to be in certain spots at certain times. You don't have to do it all game, but do it when we need settling and when Melo is cold.

Our over-reliance on Melo ISO is making us predictable, and teams are gameplanning for it now

same here.

I especially agree about Woodson. He seems to have changed a bit from that get in yu face coach to the I wanna be friends coach. Woody needs to start getting in his layers asses and needs to get back to dogging JR. Woodson is giving JR too much leeway now. I'm sick of the 20 ft step back jumpers with 19 on the clock.

Whether it goes in or not its not a smart shot.

I don't have an issue with h Melo shooting It like he is. But in games whee his shot is off, he needs to be less selfish and look to distribute and get some easy baskets.

I also agree with Novak. He either needs to shoot more or ride the bench. Even if its somewhat contested he needs to shoot. Any time he can get a clean shot off he needs to take it... Or else his a liability.
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Post#34 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:35 am by sol537

anyone else notice how JR Smith and 'Melo are trying to hero-ball their way to the All-Star game and MVP, respectively, and how Woodson is enabling them? 'Melo has been chucking at close to 40% lately and JR has been worse.

It's almost like D'antoni's chuck and duck system all over again when we didn't have a PG on the floor. These last 12-15 games reminds me of the D'antoni era. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Post#35 Re: "State of the Knicks" Mid-seaso
Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:40 am by Fat Kat

Thugger HBC wrote:If Delonte acts up, you cut him...no harm to the team.


The Grizzlies will reportedly sign free agent Delonte West
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