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DE FENSE wrote:I love Shump but he never should have been starting immediately coming back from that injury. He should have been coming off the bench all this time, then maybe at this point right now he should be considered to start. Woodson really fcked this up.

I think it has more to do with Shump not being a small forward. If were not going to start Amare we gotta start Copeland.
Felton/Shump/Copeland/Melo/Chandler or
Felton/Shump/Melo/Amare/Chandler are the 2 best starting 5 options imo

he had me at "im not getting it".

ibraheim718 wrote:

br7knicks wrote:
granger can't contain lebron, especially coming off the injury he is. george might, but being the offensive focal point of that team, their team would take a hit if he's more focused on containing lebron

The point is nobody can contain Lebron... but they have the best combination of individual players that can match up (Granger, George) and sound team defense.

i know nobody can contain him. the only guy that had remote success is on his team (albeit, he's much older now). i do think they have some personnel that can help contain lebron (hibbert). i understand you're talking about a combination of players (george and granger). but granger was not a great defender prior to the injury, and he probably won't look too great afterwards.

with george, i think of DLee on the knicks several years ago. he had to focus more on offense than defense because he was the only one that could put the ball in the basket. i feel that caused him to take a major hit defensively. although george has a much better supporting cast (west, hibbert, etc.), he is the main guy on that team offensively and if he's going to focus on lebron, their offense might take a hit.

plus, bosh and wade are starting to look a lot better recently, therefore the help defense might not be there as much as it needs to be.

i'd love for the pacers to beat the heat. i think they have a decent chance against heat.

br7knicks wrote:

ibraheim718 wrote:

br7knicks wrote:
granger can't contain lebron, especially coming off the injury he is. george might, but being the offensive focal point of that team, their team would take a hit if he's more focused on containing lebron

The point is nobody can contain Lebron... but they have the best combination of individual players that can match up (Granger, George) and sound team defense.

i know nobody can contain him. the only guy that had remote success is on his team (albeit, he's much older now). i do think they have some personnel that can help contain lebron (hibbert). i understand you're talking about a combination of players (george and granger). but granger was not a great defender prior to the injury, and he probably won't look too great afterwards.

with george, i think of DLee on the knicks several years ago. he had to focus more on offense than defense because he was the only one that could put the ball in the basket. i feel that caused him to take a major hit defensively. although george has a much better supporting cast (west, hibbert, etc.), he is the main guy on that team offensively and if he's going to focus on lebron, their offense might take a hit.

plus, bosh and wade are starting to look a lot better recently, therefore the help defense might not be there as much as it needs to be.

i'd love for the pacers to beat the heat. i think they have a decent chance against heat.

Word.. heres my theory on beating Miami.. you need a shot blocker.. a rim protector... then you can't double anyone and you have to chase the old geezer shooters off of the 3pt line and on offense you have to beat them up down low. Hibbert/Mahimni need to protect the rim... Hill,George,Granger,Stephenson need to chase the shooters away, and West/Hibbert need to beat them up down low. Miami's struggles with them last year were real.. but this year with George coming into his own and being confident in his ability to score much more than last year I think they pose a real threat to Miami.

nyk4life12 wrote:Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman
Starting lineup may not change sez Woody. Toronto plays too much smallball.

For the love of God why the phuck is this moron so reactive? Why doesn't he be proactive for once and force the opposition to match up to us!

GONYK wrote:I'm concerned with 2 things:

1. He cites defense as the problem, but contemplates inserting Copeland into the SL

2. He thinks Melo and Ray are enough for a productive offense.

This is the most surprising thing he said.

Start Smith and Amare

barborous wrote:

keyindabox wrote:

barborous wrote:And now the "stop bitching guys, OMG knicks fans always overreact" crowd is starting to make its way out of the woodwork. No, we have a serious problem. We have precisely zero competent guards on the roster, our coach seems to have lost all ability to adapt, our defense AND offense from the beginning of the season have completely disappeared, we're on a mediocre slide that's pushing two months long now, and we're almost certain to lose both our #2 seed, the division title, and possibly even HCA before the playoffs at this rate.

It's the truth. Cry some more.

Fat Kat wrote:

barborous wrote:And now the "stop bitching guys, OMG knicks fans always overreact" crowd is starting to make its way out of the woodwork. No, we have a serious problem. We have precisely zero competent guards on the roster, our coach seems to have lost all ability to adapt, our defense AND offense from the beginning of the season have completely disappeared, we're on a mediocre slide that's pushing two months long now, and we're almost certain to lose both our #2 seed, the division title, and possibly even HCA before the playoffs at this rate.

I think what some are dismayed by is the constant nagging like tone that's prevalent when the team is doing bad. We've had posters return from "retirement" and come back from self imposed exile just to dump on the team they're a "fan" of. If the team is such a source of discontent, why stick around just to whine? Logging on just rage is counterproductive. No?

Attitudes, positive or negative are contagious. Some prefer to stay positive, even while being critical. Sports after all should be an escape IMO.

If you haven't had one positive post this season, perhaps that person should log off. There are many that fit that category.

I was plenty enthusiastic at the beginning of the season. As this team got worse and worse, I've gradually posted less about the team because of how depressing it is, and haven't been one of the people continually bitching about the team, because there's really no point in my view. But those people are completely right to be unhappy about how the team looks, and I got tired of seeing them get rained on.

Seriously though, when we win 5 in a row and are firmly in second/third place in a month and everyone is praising Woodson has the best coach for the Knicks since JVG, I'll make sure to "cry some more."

I don't understand why everything has to be so hot and cold with this board. What ever happened to having perspective? Rome wasn't built in a day fellas.

I think we need to start a big, even if its Novak, to help balance out the floor some

yes weve been getting killed on the perimeter but weve also been killed inside and with slow starts

Hell, Id even consider starting Thomas again if, for some reason, we are set on not starting Amare

Only way Amar'e starts is if he joins the CAA. The Knicks refuse to do what it takes to win.

Bring Kidd off the bench to stabilize JR and Amare...Start Shump at the 2....start Kenyon as soon as the ink dries and put Melo at the damn small forward spot....and for god's sake release Copeland and sign Amundson

keyindabox wrote:


Seriously though, when we win 5 in a row and are firmly in second/third place in a month and everyone is praising Woodson has the best coach for the Knicks since JVG, I'll make sure to "cry some more."

I don't understand why everything has to be so hot and cold with this board. What ever happened to having perspective? Rome wasn't built in a day fellas.

We have been playing like crap, both offensively and defensively, for around 2 months now. Can you really just break this down to "perspective"? The ship is sinking and we need to make some changes. 18 - 18 over the last 36 (or something like that) is nothing to sneeze it. After all, this team wants to win a championship and it's not how you start, it's how you finish. This is serious (albeit we are talking about a game).

That lineup is quite pathetic, but i'd expect a lineup change that takes Shump out, insert Cope or White.

Kidd continues to play 30+ minutes to get rest for the push.

I think he's waiting for Kenyon Martin to come in so he can immediately start him.

Still can't believe people thought this team is more talented than some of Carmelo's nugget teams.

ccvle wrote:Still can't believe people thought this team is more talented than some of Carmelo's nugget teams.

I still think we are but Karl is a better coach

iHeartKNicks wrote:

ccvle wrote:Still can't believe people thought this team is more talented than some of Carmelo's nugget teams.

I still think we are but Karl is a better coach

We are not. Carmelo played with Nene, Camby, Kenyon Martin and Chris Anderson upfront and either Iverson, Billups or Andre Miller in the backcourt. Those nuggets teams also had decent bench players with JR Smith, Earl Boykins,Reggie Evans, Anthony Carters, Linas Kleiza, and Eduardo Najera. Those guys werent exactly six man of the year, but atleast they didn't have to worry about having to start James white. The problem with those nuggets teams were injuries with the big guys, but it is not like we are a healthy team either.

All I want is an average coach. That is all. Why can't we have nice things? I would LOVE to have Don Cheyney back. Can we outbid on Vinny Del Negro? Jim O'Brien a free man? What is Eric Musselman up to? Derek Fisher could probably do something...