suicidedeuce wrote:R-DAWG wrote:What 4 year window? A four year window to lose in the first round? I understand they went all it, it didn't work out.
Yet.
A mature person should be able to acknowledge the window is still open, even if they doubt the KNicks are capable of taking advantage.
quote]Yes, they might have not been as good the past 2 years without Chandler. BUT why don't you admit that:
A) the Knicks have flopped in the playoffs the past 2 years and failed to meet expectations
and
Because I think that is a highly emotional reaction based on dissappointment which is the perspective we've firmly established you're coming from.
I don't think they flopped in the playoffs the last 2 years, because I use judgment beyond the basic and superficial.
In terms of 2012 what I really think is the knicks flopped in the first 2/3rds of the REGULAR season, mostly because they had the wrong head coach, which was not Grunwald or the player's fault.
Because of this, they finished (and it took a AWESOME job by Woodson and the players to get there) 7th, which matched them up against the eventual NBA champions in the first round.
Now I suspect what think is the Knicks lost in the FIRST round, and you'd be technically accurate.
My take is they played the Heat not all that differently than the Thunder played them, difference being the Thunder had home court, lost 4 games in a row and had a healhty Durant, Westbrook and Harden.
So what you see as a failure of the postseason, i see as a failure of the frist 66% of the regular season.
B) the Knicks would be in a much better position today if they could amnesty Amare
His amnesty wouldn't create a dollar in cap room. Your point requires the ASSUMPTION the Knicks don't have a $75m plus payroll by some other means.
C) if you went all in and you haven't accomplished your goal why do you keep doubling down (ie trading draft picks and handing out long term contracts)
Because their is 2 more years left in the window we both acknowledge. I mean seriously, how many times do we need to go over this for you to finally realize your ENTIRE premise is based on your subjective, personal opinion the KNicks have reached their ceiling already?[/quote]
A) for whatever reason - the coach, the players, not having a starting guard on the roster, whatever, the team did not accomplish the goals in 2012. No one said we got Tyson Chandler were going to be the 7th seed and lose in the first round. Even with Chandler that roster was EXTREMELY flawed. Forget weather or not Chandler would fit with Amare/Melo or Melo and Amare could fit (all still questions) is any team winning a championship with Mike Bibby and Baron Davis as PG? Come on man. There were moves that could have been made that improved the team with burning the amnesty, they just may not have been as flashy as Tyson Chandler. Weather you consider the playoff result a failure is up to you, but going all in and losing in the first round is failing in my book.
B) Yes, my assumption is that if the team was smart enough to hold onto the amnesty for Amare they wouldn't blow the cap space on other garbage. My plan, as I clearly stated, was to sign guys to 2 year contracts. Have a 2 year window with Melo-Amare and then have a chance to rebuild around Melo before his salary got to Kobe level. Again, long term planning.
C) Window for what? Winning a championship? Or 2 years left until we get Amare's contract off the books? What's this window were talking about here. It sounds like 2 more years until we have cap space to play with but by the organizations actions the past 2 years guys like Novak and JR are more important than cap space. And as far as flipping contracts, you need ASSETS to get quality players. When you don't have assets you end up flipping expiring for longer contracts that other teams don't want.