Can we sign and trade Melo.....?

Americafkya · Post #1 » by **Americafkya** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:06 pm

First, I want to preface this with this statement:

I want to keep Melo. I think Melo is one of the best players in the league. I think he played his heart for us. I think he is an elite, top 3 offensive player and an underrated all around guy. The Knicks, in the short run at least, are better off with him.

However, I don't think the Knicks are in the best spot to keep him. By the time the rebuild is complete, I don't think there will be a very big window for him to compete for a title. This has already been said so I don't need to bore everyone with that.

What are the rules for sign and trade under the new CBA? would it be better for the team to sign and trade him for some young guys and lotto picks? are there teams that he would want/accept that would also benefit us. The Lakers maybe?? is that possible?

The Suns? etc etc

Ignitowsky · Post #2 » by **Ignitowsky** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:30 pm

Yes, we can.

Hopefully we won't have to.

louieOrr · Post #3 » by **louieOrr** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:32 pm

If it isint worth our while then heck no. I would say Houston and Chi before LAL or Phoenix. I would rather let him walk then enable Houston to get him, same for Chicago. Unless we are fleecing them, we should not be doing business with them based on our past dealings with those franchises.

I would say you should accommodate melo if he wants to leave based on his level of play, except for the fact he just had to have his $$ at the expense of all of our assets at the time of the trade to get him here. He/We would have likely enjoyed more success had he made it clear the Nets were not an option and he was signing with the Knicks. If he wants to leave now then yes it will cost us....but it will cost him too. Let him give up some $$$ if he believes the grass is greener. Let him put his $$ where his mouth is. So we do have that little bit of leverage. Melo needs us to get that Max deal. I am sure that is important to him, despite what he says about financial security.

With that being said, my personal belief is that he does not want to go. I think this is different then Denver. I do believe Phil can lay out a plan to show how we can be a winner.

dantian · Post #4 » by **dantian** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:48 pm

I thought it was said to be impossible under the new CBA, due to Knicks way over the lux tax level.

ReturnofMVP3 · Post #5 » by **ReturnofMVP3** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:52 pm

dantian wrote:I thought it was said to be impossible under the new CBA, due to Knicks way over the lux tax level.

I believe the team receiving Melo would need to be under the luxury tax.

CashMoney604 · Post #6 » by **CashMoney604** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:29 am

If Melo wanted to go elsewhere and play i dont think he would do a sign and trade and gut the other team of key pieces again (IE. NY) Its time he will take less money to win like Dwight or be in a better situation.

dantian · Post #7 » by **dantian** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:43 am

CashMoney604 wrote:If Melo wanted to go elsewhere and play i dont think he would do a sign and trade and gut the other team of key pieces again (IE. NY) Its time he will take less money to win like Dwight or be in a better situation.

yet in that case, his option is limited to bad teams he wouldn't want to go to. no Bulls, no Rockets.

dantian · Post #8 » by **dantian** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:46 am

ReturnofMVP3 wrote:
dantian wrote:I thought it was said to be impossible under the new CBA, due to Knicks way over the lux tax level.

I believe the team receiving Melo would need to be under the luxury tax.

How about a 3-way with Melo to Rockets, LBJ/Asik/Parsons to Knicks, Tyson/Lin to Miami, where both Melo and LBJ get sign and trade? Rockets are below luxury tax for sure.

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #9 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:03 am

louieOrr wrote:I would say you should accommodate melo if he wants to leave based on his level of play, except for the fact he just had to have his $$ at the expense of all of our assets at the time of the trade to get him here.

I can't believe this falsehood is still being repeated.

Melo would have been fine waiting till the offseason, but the CBW was ending. No one knew when a new one was going to be signed or what the player salaries would be like. He could have got injured during that wait too. So it wasn't about the money, it was about signing an extension before the CBA expired.

Marty McFly · Post #10 » by **Marty McFly** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:05 am

dantian wrote:
ReturnofMVP3 wrote:
dantian wrote:I thought it was said to be impossible under the new CBA, due to Knicks way over the lux tax level.

I believe the team receiving Melo would need to be under the luxury tax.

How about a 3-way with Melo to Rockets, LBJ/Asik/Parsons to Knicks, Tyson/Lin to Miami, where both Melo and LBJ get sign and trade? Rockets are below luxury tax for sure.

c'mon man.

Phish Tank · Post #11 » by **Phish Tank** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:10 am

dantian wrote:
ReturnofMVP3 wrote:
dantian wrote:I thought it was said to be impossible under the new CBA, due to Knicks way over the lux tax level.

I believe the team receiving Melo would need to be under the luxury tax.

How about a 3-way with Melo to Rockets, LBJ/Asik/Parsons to Knicks, Tyson/Lin to Miami, where both Melo and LBJ get sign and trade? Rockets are below luxury tax for sure.

Yo provide us with the hookup of that dope you got

louieOrr · Post #12 » by **louieOrr** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:21 am

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
louieOrr wrote:I would say you should accommodate melo if he wants to leave based on his level of play, except for the fact he just had to have his $$ at the expense of all of our assets at the time of the trade to get him here.

I can't believe this falsehood is still being repeated.

Melo would have been fine waiting till the offseason, but the CBW was ending. No one knew when a new one was going to be signed or what the player salaries would be like. He could have got injured during that wait too. So it wasn't about the money, it was about signing an extension before the CBA expired.

Right, it was about signing the extension before the CBA expired, because he wanted to get his $$$$

Oscirus · Post #13 » by **Oscirus** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:32 am

If a team is doing a sign and trade then they're likely not going to be giving up anything remotely good since they're at the advantage. If whoever wants Melo really wants him then they can clear their own crap the Knicks aren't around to make signing melo easy on anybody.

Post #14 » by **GONYK** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:34 am

Oscirus wrote:If a team is doing a sign and trade then they're likely not going to be giving up anything remotely good since they're at the advantage. If whoever wants Melo really wants him then they can clear their own crap the Knicks aren't around to make signing melo easy on anybody.

Bingo

fabio · Post #15 » by **fabio** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:36 am

quite honestly, if the deal is right, Melo should go. Just not for any crap or crazy deal, dealing him should be the cornerstone of a rebuilding team, not just dealing him just because

Knicks Universe · Post #16 » by **Knicks Universe** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:48 am

Seriously? No way! Guys, have some faith that he will stay. This shouldn't even be a discussion topic right now.

Post #17 » by **GONYK** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:13 am

fabio wrote:quite honestly, if the deal is right, Melo should go. Just not for any crap or crazy deal, dealing him should be the cornerstone of a rebuilding team, not just dealing him just because

No teams that he's willing to play for can offer a deal that is worth it to us at this time though

HarthorneWingo · Post #18 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:24 am

GONYK wrote:
fabio wrote:quite honestly, if the deal is right, Melo should go. Just not for any crap or crazy deal, dealing him should be the cornerstone of a rebuilding team, not just dealing him just because

No teams that he's willing to play for can offer a deal that is worth it to us at this time though

When you trade a star for multiple players, the team trading the star NEVER gets equal value. But what the team trading the star does get, hopefully, is flexibility to rebuild the team and draft picks and/or (hopefully "and") some young players to build with. With the added cap space you target your next so-called star or stars.

Post #19 » by **GONYK** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:25 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
fabio wrote:quite honestly, if the deal is right, Melo should go. Just not for any crap or crazy deal, dealing him should be the cornerstone of a rebuilding team, not just dealing him just because

No teams that he's willing to play for can offer a deal that is worth it to us at this time though

When you trade a star for multiple players, the team trading the star NEVER gets equal value. But what the team trading the star does get, hopefully, is flexibility to rebuild the team and draft picks and/or (hopefully "and") some young players to build with. With the added cap space you target your next so-called star or stars.

The teams Melo wants to play for can't even offer that.

We can gain flexibility simply by letting him walk

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HarthorneWingo · Post #20 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:29 am

GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
No teams that he's willing to play for can offer a deal that is worth it to us at this time though

When you trade a star for multiple players, the team trading the star NEVER gets equal value. But what the team trading the star does get, hopefully, is flexibility to rebuild the team and draft picks and/or (hopefully "and") some young players to build with. With the added cap space you target your next so-called star or stars.

The teams Melo wants to play for can't even offer that.

We can gain flexibility simply by letting him walk

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We need to get back some first round picks/young talent if we want to rebuild.