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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#141 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:18 pm

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Trades our depth, but not really our youth and flexibility. Jrue is still a young player with a good amount of room to fill out and the combined salaries of Early, Shump (who is a RFA this upcoming offseason), Larkin, and Calderon = Jrue's salary -- so we don't lose any flexibility for next offseason.


Calderon is a perfect fit here. is Jrue going to be that much better? When is he going to ant ot get paid?

Calderon is 32(33 in 2 weeks) and he's not a perfect fit defensively. he is in fact **** and is not getting younger or quicker


I stand corrected. Make the trade!
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#144 » by DowNY » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:11 am

Knicks get - Mike Conley, Klay Thompson & Josh Smith
Knicks go all in. Promises Klay a max extension. Contenders right away. Potential to get 2 real good 2 way players, especially with Melo here & a player like Conley dishing the rock off.

Warriors get - Shane Larkin, Tim Hardaway Jr., Cleanthony Early & Greg Monroe
Klay is due for an extension and GSW supposedly rattled his feather after the Kevin Love trade talk. Monroe can do damage in a line-up with Steph, Iggy & Bogut. Timmy goes to a team his pops played for.

Memphis get - Jose Calderon, Iman Shumpert, Pablo Prigioni, & cash
Trade 1 player in Mike Conley, for 3 solid players & 2 of which could help keep Gasol in Memphis. Shump gets to learn from his comparison in Tony Allen

Pistons get - Andrea Bargnani & Harrison Barnes
Pistons gets a nice young build block at SF for Greg Monroe & gets out of Josh Smith's deal as an even bigger positive.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#145 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:32 am

DowNY wrote:Knicks get - Mike Conley, Klay Thompson & Josh Smith
Knicks go all in. Promises Klay a max extension. Contenders right away.

Warriors get - Shane Larkin, Tim Hardaway Jr., Cleanthony Early & Greg Monroe
Klay is due for an extension and GSW supposedly rattled his feather after the Kevin Love trade talk. Potential to be a real good 2 way player, especially with Melo here & a player like Conley dishing the rock off.

Memphis get - Jose Calderon, Iman Shumpert, Pablo Prigioni, & cash
Trade 1 player in Mike Conley, for 3 solid players & 2 of which could help keep Gasol in Memphis. Shump gets to learn from his comparison in Tony Allen

Pistons get - Andrea Bargnani & Harrison Barnes
Pistons gets a nice young build block at SF for Greg Monroe & gets out of Josh Smith's deal as an even bigger positive.

Makes too much sense to happen.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#146 » by Boarder Patrol » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:16 am

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:
DowNY wrote:Knicks get - Mike Conley, Klay Thompson & Josh Smith
Knicks go all in. Promises Klay a max extension. Contenders right away.

Warriors get - Shane Larkin, Tim Hardaway Jr., Cleanthony Early & Greg Monroe
Klay is due for an extension and GSW supposedly rattled his feather after the Kevin Love trade talk. Potential to be a real good 2 way player, especially with Melo here & a player like Conley dishing the rock off.

Memphis get - Jose Calderon, Iman Shumpert, Pablo Prigioni, & cash
Trade 1 player in Mike Conley, for 3 solid players & 2 of which could help keep Gasol in Memphis. Shump gets to learn from his comparison in Tony Allen

Pistons get - Andrea Bargnani & Harrison Barnes
Pistons gets a nice young build block at SF for Greg Monroe & gets out of Josh Smith's deal as an even bigger positive.

Makes too much sense to happen.


That's an awful trade for Memphis. And Detroit.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#147 » by DowNY » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:37 am

Soooooooooooo ..... how can we improve this team? We seem poised.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#148 » by Boarder Patrol » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:38 am

DowNY wrote:Soooooooooooo ..... how can we improve this team? We seem poised.


We wait, and use cap space in 2015 and 2016.

We should know by now that trading young assets is a bad idea, and that even if we were to go that route none of our young assets wouldn't get back any difference makers.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#149 » by dakomish23 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:59 am

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DowNY wrote:Soooooooooooo ..... how can we improve this team? We seem poised.


We wait, and use cap space in 2015 and 2016.

We should know by now that trading young assets is a bad idea, and that even if we were to go that route none of our young assets wouldn't get back any difference makers.


This is the most feasible plan. Develop the youth and try to make a playoff push. Let the cap go up another 5-7 mil and pray you can steal MGasol. Then in 2016 when it's around 80+ go all in on Horford. That's the most realistic way to the dream scenario. Doubt either player gets put on the trade market. Also make sure we hit on an actual rotation big in the draft.

MGasol / Horford / Melo / Shump / Calderon
? / ? / CEarly / THJ / Larkin

We could go to war with that lineup
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#150 » by dakomish23 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:00 am

Dalembert / Outlaw for Bass. Think it makes sense for both sides.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#151 » by dakomish23 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:36 am

I don't see what Dalembert does for us that Aldrich can't. Def should be moved for a pick if available or in conjunction with something else for a better player. He's a "show up once every 5 games" player. No thx
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#152 » by CrabGuy » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:43 am

landry fields for Bargs?
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#153 » by moocow007 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:44 am

dakomish23 wrote:I don't see what Dalembert does for us that Aldrich can't. Def should be moved for a pick if available or in conjunction with something else for a better player. He's a "show up once every 5 games" player. No thx


Considering that Jason Smith is injury prone (has averaged only 55 games a season in 5 years in the NBA) and Aldrich has never averaged more than 12 minutes a game or played in more than 46 games in a season that they would want to keep Dalembert around for at least a little while. There really is no reason to rush dealing a guy like Dalembert.

Dalembert also isn't a guy that shoes up once every five games. He's a guy that is at the tail end of his career and isn't as good as he was when he was in his prime. Dalembert does what he does...he rebounds (6.8rpg in just 20mpg), he blocks shots (1.2bpg in 20mpg) and he takes shots that he knows he can make (58% from the field). He's a quality backup center, not a starting center and someone that you can't play more than about 18-20 minutes a game at this point.

What they can do is keep him around till near the trade deadline. Depending on where the team is and the health and performance of the other guys pegged at C, they can possibly look to trade him then. Productive big men are usually something that teams that are trying to make deep runs look for and the Knicks (assuming they themselves are out of it) can probably find a taker for Dalembert and get some sort of asset in return.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#154 » by moocow007 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:48 am

CrabGuy wrote:landry fields for Bargs?


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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#155 » by KnicksGod » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:57 am

Bargs and JR for Lin and a second.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#156 » by moocow007 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:59 am

KnicksGod wrote:Bargs and JR for Lin and a second.


JR Smith and Nick Young would result in Byron Scott either being arrested for murder, committed to a insane asylum or renouncing all earthly ties and becoming a nun.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#157 » by KnicksGod » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:04 am

DowNY wrote:Knicks get - Mike Conley, Klay Thompson & Josh Smith
Knicks go all in. Promises Klay a max extension. Contenders right away.

Warriors get - Shane Larkin, Tim Hardaway Jr., Cleanthony Early & Greg Monroe
Klay is due for an extension and GSW supposedly rattled his feather after the Kevin Love trade talk. Potential to be a real good 2 way player, especially with Melo here & a player like Conley dishing the rock off.

Memphis get - Jose Calderon, Iman Shumpert, Pablo Prigioni, & cash
Trade 1 player in Mike Conley, for 3 solid players & 2 of which could help keep Gasol in Memphis. Shump gets to learn from his comparison in Tony Allen

Pistons get - Andrea Bargnani & Harrison Barnes
Pistons gets a nice young build block at SF for Greg Monroe & gets out of Josh Smith's deal as an even bigger positive.


Yeah pretty nice job. Warriors probably won't let Klay go over couple mil per but if they ever did this is a not-crazy, cap-friendly alternative.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#158 » by KnicksGod » Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:07 am

moocow007 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Bargs and JR for Lin and a second.


JR Smith and Nick Young would result in Byron Scott either being arrested for murder, committed to a insane asylum or renouncing all earthly ties and becoming a nun.


Cap issues in my deal -- too much going back compared to Lin. So just Bargs (or JR) for Jeremy.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#159 » by dakomish23 » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:00 am

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dakomish23 wrote:I don't see what Dalembert does for us that Aldrich can't. Def should be moved for a pick if available or in conjunction with something else for a better player. He's a "show up once every 5 games" player. No thx


Considering that Jason Smith is injury prone (has averaged only 55 games a season in 5 years in the NBA) and Aldrich has never averaged more than 12 minutes a game or played in more than 46 games in a season that they would want to keep Dalembert around for at least a little while. There really is no reason to rush dealing a guy like Dalembert.

Dalembert also isn't a guy that shoes up once every five games. He's a guy that is at the tail end of his career and isn't as good as he was when he was in his prime. Dalembert does what he does...he rebounds (6.8rpg in just 20mpg), he blocks shots (1.2bpg in 20mpg) and he takes shots that he knows he can make (58% from the field). He's a quality backup center, not a starting center and someone that you can't play more than about 18-20 minutes a game at this point.

What they can do is keep him around till near the trade deadline. Depending on where the team is and the health and performance of the other guys pegged at C, they can possibly look to trade him then. Productive big men are usually something that teams that are trying to make deep runs look for and the Knicks (assuming they themselves are out of it) can probably find a taker for Dalembert and get some sort of asset in return.


I'm on board with the thought process. I just don't think we should be opposed to trading him based on his past credentials as a guy who could anchor a D. His value will def be highest at deadline like you said. Someone will look to cement their rim protection for the playoff run.

Not sure what his value is on the trade market, but we have been in this position before. In 2005 we sent Nazr for two late 1st rd picks. That would be a steal in today's NBA economy.
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Re: Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#160 » by Boarder Patrol » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:55 pm

One trade I wouldn't mind:

Jrue Holiday
Jimmer Freddete

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Jose Calderon
Iman Shumpert
Tim Hardaway Jr.
2018 1st

Pelicans downgrade but get more off the ball players which they need since Jrue/Gordon/Evans/Davis isn't gonna work. They need off ball defenders and shooters like these.

Knicks get a 2nd banana (who would be a great 3 or 3B if we get someone with our cap space) and save cap in 2015, believe it or not.

Jose
Gordon
Evans
Davis
Asik

Jrue
Smith
Melo
Amare
Dally

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