Melo career lack of help.

GYK · Post #1 » by **GYK** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:50 pm

An excerpt from an article..

Even when Anthony has been afforded prominent help, it hasn't come from a fellow superstar. Here's the list of past and present teammates who have recorded at least seven win shares alongside him:

Chauncey Billups (twice)
Marcus Camby (twice)
Nene (three times)
Allen Iverson
Andre Miller (twice)
Tyson Chandler (twice)
Amar'e Stoudemire
This list is less impressive upon noting Anthony split time with the Knicks and Nuggets in 2010-11, which basically removes Stoudemire and one of Nene's three seasons from consideration.

Iverson is the closest thing to a superstar teammate Anthony has ever seen. He was on the wrong side of 30 when he arrived in Denver, but during the lone full season he spent there (2007-08) he provided an offensive punch—26.4 points and 7.1 assists—unlike any of Anthony's other compadres.

That Nuggets team still lost in the first round of the playoffs.

Still, that season was in many ways a personal best for Anthony. He banged in a career-high 49.2 percent of his shots, with nearly 59 percent of his made baskets coming off assists. Not once since then have more than half his converted buckets come off dimes; the closest he came is 2008-09, when 48 percent were the product of assists.

That 2008-09 team offered relief in other ways. Two of Anthony's teammates—Nene and Billups—amassed at least 9.3 win shares each as the Nuggets reached the Western Conference Finals.

720 · Post #2 » by **720** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:55 pm

He has had plenty of help. Especially during his Denver days. It's true he hasn't had any superstar help but how common is that though? Maybe 3-4 teams have legit superstars on the same team. (OKC, Cle, Hou, Mia). That's it really.

JBreezeNY · Post #3 » by **JBreezeNY** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:56 pm

Nothing against you because you're new here but it's been talked to death for about 3 years on here that Melo hasn't had great help & has been in poor situations as far as facing superior teams.

This is pretty much beating a dead horse.

Melo will end up without a ring, we're not winning anything until our grandchildren are adults, it is what it is.

Fat · Post #4 » by **Fat** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:02 pm

Hopefully we can surround him some talent after this season

GYK · Post #5 » by **GYK** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:14 pm

VC720 couldn't disagree with you more. Plenty of help is a consistent all-star bench players, looking at championship teams that's very common. The Gasol/Bymun/Celtic Big 3/Parker/Manu/Detroit Billups and Wallace. Dirk being the closest but still having a 1st team defensive player in Tyson. Those guys is what's needed to be considered help. You look at this season Melo is the only Knick in the top 100. I'm sure you can say the same for most seasons.

JBreezeNY totally disagree with you more. New here but a Knick all my life. I won't live without optimism for my team. Since Melo's arrival it's the only time it's been realistic. We have a great opportunity. Something's need to go in our favor but still realistic...also I haven't met negative Nancy's in this forum. A lot of grounded conversation. Some passion being held back, clearly from past trauma. But everyone seems to see the crossroads coming for this Knicks era and like the Phish(Phil/Fisher) leading ability.

three2theD · Post #6 » by **three2theD** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:18 pm

Whatever man, Melo's teams in Denver were stacked each and every year. Does he need help right now? Yes, but he's been blessed to play with a lot of talent throughout most of his career.

F N 11 · Post #7 » by **F N 11** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:19 pm

Beastly Kobe and the lakers that 1 year took him out.

Fat · Post #8 » by **Fat** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:22 pm

Marc Gasol or Bust btw

NOOB77 · Post #9 » by **NOOB77** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:27 pm

three2theD wrote:Whatever man, Melo's teams in Denver were stacked each and every year. Does he need help right now? Yes, but he's been blessed to play with a lot of talent throughout most of his career.

Stacked ??? NO
Good ??? Yes

Good enough to beat the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series? Spurs with Duncan, Parker and Manu...Lakers with Kobe and Shaq or Kobe, Gasol or Bynum ?? Probably not that good. Everything had to fall right for the Nuggets to beat those teams. Anthony Carter threw 2 inbound passes away in the final minutes of two of those games versus the Lakers in the conference finals or it could be different.

vallen · Post #10 » by **vallen** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:29 pm

I think he had a better supporting cast in DEN then LBJ had taking CLE to the finals..

three2theD · Post #11 » by **three2theD** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:31 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:
three2theD wrote:Whatever man, Melo's teams in Denver were stacked each and every year. Does he need help right now? Yes, but he's been blessed to play with a lot of talent throughout most of his career.

Stacked ??? NO
Good ??? Yes

Good enough to beat the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series? Spurs with Duncan, Parker and Manu...Lakers with Kobe and Shaq or Kobe, Gasol or Bynum ?? Probably not that good. Everything had to fall right for the Nuggets to beat those teams. Anthony Carter threw 2 inbound passes away in the final minutes of two of those games versus the Lakers in the conference finals or it could be different.

YES, STACKED!!

Maybe there were a couple of teams more talented, but while Melo was in Denver, for the most part, they were a top 5 talented team in the league.

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Meat · Post #12 » by **Meat** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:32 pm

VC720 wrote:He has had plenty of help. Especially during his Denver days. It's true he hasn't had any superstar help but how common is that though? Maybe 3-4 teams have legit superstars on the same team. (OKC, Cle, Hou, Mia). That's it really.

it's extremely common, so much so that in the last 30 years only 3 teams have won rings without 2 legit superstars?

1) dallas
2) detroit
3) houston(the 1st)

NOOB77 · Post #13 » by **NOOB77** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:32 pm

vallen wrote:I think he had a better supporting cast in DEN then LBJ had taking CLE to the finals..

Yes but the East was so bad back then it was a walk to the Finals for CLE where he got swept by the Spurs. Melo's Nuggets lost in the first round that year to the Spurs but they didn't get swept.

GYK · Post #14 » by **GYK** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:33 pm

three2theD wrote:Whatever man, Melo's teams in Denver were stacked each and every year. Does he need help right now? Yes, but he's been blessed to play with a lot of talent throughout most of his career.

When were they stacked?
They we're 8, 7, 7, 6, 8, 2, 4 in West win percentage
That's two seasons of being in contention..don't know many 4th seeds to win it all

So no he wasn't on stacked teams.

NOOB77 · Post #15 » by **NOOB77** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:34 pm

three2theD wrote:
NYKfan77 wrote:
three2theD wrote:Whatever man, Melo's teams in Denver were stacked each and every year. Does he need help right now? Yes, but he's been blessed to play with a lot of talent throughout most of his career.

Stacked ??? NO
Good ??? Yes

Good enough to beat the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series? Spurs with Duncan, Parker and Manu...Lakers with Kobe and Shaq or Kobe, Gasol or Bynum ?? Probably not that good. Everything had to fall right for the Nuggets to beat those teams. Anthony Carter threw 2 inbound passes away in the final minutes of two of those games versus the Lakers in the conference finals or it could be different.

YES, STACKED!!

Maybe there were a couple of teams more talented, but while Melo was in Denver, for the most part, they were a top 5 talented team in the league.

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Too bad 3 of those other top 5 teams were in the West right? Its not like they were the best team ever in the West or ever favorites to go to the Finals. There were always better teams in the WEST

Post #16 » by **moocow007** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:35 pm

VC720 wrote:He has had plenty of help. Especially during his Denver days. It's true he hasn't had any superstar help but how common is that though? Maybe 3-4 teams have legit superstars on the same team. (OKC, Cle, Hou, Mia). That's it really.

Believe it or not the Spurs actually have superstars on their team. But basically, yes, every team that actually wins anything (i.e. "why can't Anthony win anything" peanut gallery) has had superstar(s) on their team.

San Antonio
Miami
Lakers
Pistons
Celtics
Rockets

Post #17 » by **moocow007** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:37 pm

vallen wrote:I think he had a better supporting cast in DEN then LBJ had taking CLE to the finals..

Yes. Carmelo needs to be Lebron James more.

Sprewell4Three · Post #18 » by **Sprewell4Three** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:48 pm

Has Dirk nowitzki had superstar help?

ozwizard8 · Post #19 » by **ozwizard8** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:55 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:Nothing against you because you're new here but it's been talked to death for about 3 years on here that Melo hasn't had great help & has been in poor situations as far as facing superior teams.

This is pretty much beating a dead horse.

Melo will end up without a ring, we're not winning anything until our grandchildren are adults, it is what it is.

well that sounds optimistic.

i mean grandchild is means like in 50 years we'll get a title!! :lol:

Post #20 » by **j4remi** » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:04 pm

The time with Billups was the most impressive and they made the WCF. Melo hurt his elbow (I think it was his elbow could be misremembering) during that series though. He's had help, but a lot of times injuries have hurt the quality of the team and he's managed to play championship tier teams early on pretty often.