Knicks vs Raps Post Game

[Besart19]

STAT at C = Layup drill for the other team. There is no reason for him to play there. He needs to play PF

STAT at PF = garbage ass offense, he needs to play center.

If so, how he will defend the pick n roll?! not to mention protecting the rim?!

Besides, Amare doesnt trust his knees anymore to be able to be the primary roller and to dribble in the traffic... He knows he can be more serviceble at PF and playing on the weakside of the triangle for that two man game with Jose or/and Larkin/Prigs. With that, Melo would play more on the strong side, where he can be even better fit as long as he's out best dribble penetriation and pull up J player and knows better than anyone on our team how to cut and move without the ball (because of his quickness and size)!!

So, Amare is better at PF... What remains (still) unclear, is weather as a starter alongside Dally or as a backup alongside Cole and/or Acy (depending on the matchups)!!

[Greenie]

STAT at C = Layup drill for the other team. There is no reason for him to play there. He needs to play PF

STAT at PF = garbage ass offense, he needs to play center.

If so, how he will defend the pick n roll?! not to mention protecting the rim?!

Besides, Amare doesnt trust his knees anymore to be able to be the primary roller and to dribble in the traffic... He knows he can be more serviceble at PF and playing on the weakside of the triangle for that two man game with Jose or/and Larkin/Prigs. With that, Melo would play more on the strong side, where he can be even better fit as long as he's out best dribble penetriation and pull up J player and knows better than anyone on our team how to cut and move without the ball (because of his quickness and size)!!

So, Amare is better at PF... What remains (still) unclear, is weather as a starter alongside Dally or as a backup alongside Cole and/or Acy (depending on the matchups)!!

Stop talking to me with that garbage. He's best at center. Always has been, always will be.

People are trying to figure out how to help him be netter defensively? Stop, he sucks on that side of the ball and it's over for trying to make him a defensive dude. Accept him for what he is....a scorer. Now where does he do damage as a scorer? At center.

[bballoctober]

STAT should start with Acy as the 4.

STAT/Dally/Cole
Acy/Barf/Smith
Melo/JR/Early
Shump/Timmy/Priggy
Jose/Larkin/Priggy

and have no rim protection/shot blocking?

no thanks, dally is a difference maker. He is a good offensive rebounder and he at least gives us a shot to protect the rim. Neither Amare or Acy can do that.

Calderon, Melo, and Dally are for sure starters. SG and PF you can do whatever combos you want. Those are our positions of concern right now.

No they are not, our concern should be our offense and implementing the triangle.
Stop with this Sammy sh*t, it's weak and so is he when he starts sulking because he doesn't get enough touches.

He's right, without Dalembert there's no adequate rim protection. I doubt he's going to complain about touches in his contract year.

[bballoctober]

I don't get why you guys are wondering why STAT and Sam have not played together...they are BOTH centers.

If stat can only play center, then he definitely can't start if we even want to pretend to have a top 20 (yes 20) defense.


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STAT is the worst kind of center, the strictly scoring one with a PF game.

[Yodi2007]

Our smith for Detroit smith?

Josh Smith is a good deal. At power forward, not taking 3's he is a VERY good player.

J Smooth is on the downside of his career and always does stupid stuff, doesn't hustle back on D and whines with the refs! Also not to mention he's due like what 12-14 mil the next 3 years? though he is a a good defender he's not a true PF!

If he though the fans in ATL/DET are rough what will he do/say against a MSG packed house? Save the money for someone younger like Greg Monroe who's younger, better on Offense, and is a true 7fter who plays the PF position naturally.

[Mike Breen]

STAT at PF = garbage ass offense, he needs to play center.

If so, how he will defend the pick n roll?! not to mention protecting the rim?!

Besides, Amare doesnt trust his knees anymore to be able to be the primary roller and to dribble in the traffic... He knows he can be more serviceble at PF and playing on the weakside of the triangle for that two man game with Jose or/and Larkin/Prigs. With that, Melo would play more on the strong side, where he can be even better fit as long as he's out best dribble penetriation and pull up J player and knows better than anyone on our team how to cut and move without the ball (because of his quickness and size)!!

So, Amare is better at PF... What remains (still) unclear, is weather as a starter alongside Dally or as a backup alongside Cole and/or Acy (depending on the matchups)!!

Stop talking to me with that garbage. He's best at center. Always has been, always will be.

People are trying to figure out how to help him be netter defensively? Stop, he sucks on that side of the ball and it's over for trying to make him a defensive dude. Accept him for what he is....a scorer. Now where does he do damage as a scorer? At center.

That's actually quite objectively untrue. At least based on last season, Stat's individual and team offensive and defensive numbers are better when he plays at PF.

Team:
Amar'e at PF - 95.0 offensive rating, 98.8 defensive rating
Amar'e at C - 93.6 offensive rating, 99.8 defensive rating

Individual:
Amar'e at PF - 21.5 PER, 9.8 opponent PER
Amar'e at C - 18.6 PER, 18.6 opponent PER

Of course, I wouldn't advocate playing Amar'e at all because his defense sucks so much, but the numbers say he should play PF if he plays anything.

[nykballa2k4]

Josh Smith is a good deal. At power forward, not taking 3's he is a VERY good player.

J Smooth is on the downside of his career and always does stupid stuff, doesn't hustle back on D and whines with the refs! Also not to mention he's due like what 12-14 mil the next 3 years? though he is a a good defender he's not a true PF!

If he though the fans in ATL/DET are rough what will he do/say against a MSG packed house? Save the money for someone younger like Greg Monroe who's younger, better on Offense, and is a true 7fter who plays the PF position naturally.

The reason you tolerate a Josh Smith is because he is a good defender and has a lot of talent on offense when he makes good choices. Monroe is a natural power forward who doesn't block shots. Which guy is better next to Melo? Josh Smith on a team like DET does not have a scorer to defer to. In NY he would. The opposite is true for Monroe, Knicks need someone to block shots. It would be nice to have monroe, but we would need to also pay for a guy like Ibaka to play next to him.

[Yodi2007]

Josh Smith is a good deal. At power forward, not taking 3's he is a VERY good player.

J Smooth is on the downside of his career and always does stupid stuff, doesn't hustle back on D and whines with the refs! Also not to mention he's due like what 12-14 mil the next 3 years? though he is a a good defender he's not a true PF!

If he though the fans in ATL/DET are rough what will he do/say against a MSG packed house? Save the money for someone younger like Greg Monroe who's younger, better on Offense, and is a true 7fter who plays the PF position naturally.

The reason you tolerate a Josh Smith is because he is a good defender and has a lot of talent on offense when he makes good choices. Monroe is a natural power forward who doesn't block shots. Which guy is better next to Melo? Josh Smith on a team like DET does not have a scorer to defer to. In NY he would. The opposite is true for Monroe, Knicks need someone to block shots. It would be nice to have monroe, but we would need to also pay for a guy like Ibaka to play next to him.

Yet in Atl J Smooth had all types of scoring help in ATL! Smooth's problem is he wants to be the Alpha dog when he's at best a Charlie Dog. He may get more blocks that Monroe but they are are equal in the steals dept almost. No one can doubt his athleticism, it's his BBall IQ what everyone in the league questions. You thought raining 3's from JR is a fixture wait untill Smooth gets his hands on the ball in NYK. Id rather get either Monroe or wait and get someone else who has better BBall IQ.

To put it in a better perspective think of J Smooth as a Shumpert good defender but a lousy and streaky shooter!
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfHTfteg00[/youtube]

Look at his shooting chart

[nykballa2k4]

J Smooth is on the downside of his career and always does stupid stuff, doesn't hustle back on D and whines with the refs! Also not to mention he's due like what 12-14 mil the next 3 years? though he is a a good defender he's not a true PF!

If he though the fans in ATL/DET are rough what will he do/say against a MSG packed house? Save the money for someone younger like Greg Monroe who's younger, better on Offense, and is a true 7fter who plays the PF position naturally.

The reason you tolerate a Josh Smith is because he is a good defender and has a lot of talent on offense when he makes good choices. Monroe is a natural power forward who doesn't block shots. Which guy is better next to Melo? Josh Smith on a team like DET does not have a scorer to defer to. In NY he would. The opposite is true for Monroe, Knicks need someone to block shots. It would be nice to have monroe, but we would need to also pay for a guy like Ibaka to play next to him.

Yet in Atl J Smooth had all types of scoring help in ATL! Smooth's problem is he wants to be the Alpha dog when he's at best a Charlie Dog. He may get more blocks that Monroe but they are are equal in the steals dept almost. No one can doubt his athleticism, it's his BBall IQ what everyone in the league questions. You thought raining 3's from JR is a fixture wait untill Smooth gets his hands on the ball in NYK. Id rather get either Monroe or wait and get someone else who has better BBall IQ.

To put it in a better perspective think of J Smooth as a Shumpert good defender but a lousy and streaky shooter!
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfHTfteg00[/youtube]

Look at his shooting chart

Josh and JR are similar I agree and monroe is an underrated defender when it comes to defending the center position, like Bargnani. But the point is we do need a shot blocker next to melo and we also need someone to guard LeBRon because he always has a teammate that guards melo so he can save his energy. Iman is too small.

In a vacuum, I may take Monroe, but as a teammate to Melo who is a clear alpha, unlike a Horford or Joe Johnson, Josh Smith would be less likely to impede himself with his attitude. He did actually have a couple years in ATL under woodson when he played under control. Then, like JR, he was given too much rope and sewed his rep.

[Deeeez Knicks]

i want no part of Josh Smith

[Yodi2007]

The reason you tolerate a Josh Smith is because he is a good defender and has a lot of talent on offense when he makes good choices. Monroe is a natural power forward who doesn't block shots. Which guy is better next to Melo? Josh Smith on a team like DET does not have a scorer to defer to. In NY he would. The opposite is true for Monroe, Knicks need someone to block shots. It would be nice to have monroe, but we would need to also pay for a guy like Ibaka to play next to him.

Yet in Atl J Smooth had all types of scoring help in ATL! Smooth's problem is he wants to be the Alpha dog when he's at best a Charlie Dog. He may get more blocks that Monroe but they are are equal in the steals dept almost. No one can doubt his athleticism, it's his BBall IQ what everyone in the league questions. You thought raining 3's from JR is a fixture wait untill Smooth gets his hands on the ball in NYK. Id rather get either Monroe or wait and get someone else who has better BBall IQ.

To put it in a better perspective think of J Smooth as a Shumpert good defender but a lousy and streaky shooter!
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfHTfteg00[/youtube]

Look at his shooting chart

Josh and JR are similar I agree and monroe is an underrated defender when it comes to defending the center position, like Bargnani. But the point is we do need a shot blocker next to melo and we also need someone to guard LeBRon because he always has a teammate that guards melo so he can save his energy. Iman is too small.

In a vacuum, I may take Monroe, but as a teammate to Melo who is a clear alpha, unlike a Horford or Joe Johnson, Josh Smith would be less likely to impede himself with his attitude. He did actually have a couple years in ATL under woodson when he played under control. Then, like JR, he was given too much rope and sewed his rep.

I can agree to that, but Im sure we can get a better defender and teammate other than J Smooth. He had some great seasons 2-3 years ago but just started to ignore the team concept to pad his offensive numbers and Vs Lebron, Lebron still killed him only thing that went down was Lebron's scoring by -3 pts but lebron created +4 assists and still was efficient from the field like 54~%. not much he did vs him last year.

here's what I think the knicks can do to make them better is to let JR, Amare, and Bargs all walk no trading or nothing just let em walk! Trade Calderon if possible, resign Shump for cheap, keep Dally, get a healthy and productive short range shooting PF who can also play the post, get a Defensive C and one who has more than the 2 post moves Glass Tyson had, and try and get a Vocal leader on the team a vet if possible!

[nykballa2k4]

Yet in Atl J Smooth had all types of scoring help in ATL! Smooth's problem is he wants to be the Alpha dog when he's at best a Charlie Dog. He may get more blocks that Monroe but they are are equal in the steals dept almost. No one can doubt his athleticism, it's his BBall IQ what everyone in the league questions. You thought raining 3's from JR is a fixture wait untill Smooth gets his hands on the ball in NYK. Id rather get either Monroe or wait and get someone else who has better BBall IQ.

To put it in a better perspective think of J Smooth as a Shumpert good defender but a lousy and streaky shooter!
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jfHTfteg00[/youtube]

Look at his shooting chart

Josh and JR are similar I agree and monroe is an underrated defender when it comes to defending the center position, like Bargnani. But the point is we do need a shot blocker next to melo and we also need someone to guard LeBRon because he always has a teammate that guards melo so he can save his energy. Iman is too small.

In a vacuum, I may take Monroe, but as a teammate to Melo who is a clear alpha, unlike a Horford or Joe Johnson, Josh Smith would be less likely to impede himself with his attitude. He did actually have a couple years in ATL under woodson when he played under control. Then, like JR, he was given too much rope and sewed his rep.

I can agree to that, but Im sure we can get a better defender and teammate other than J Smooth. He had some great seasons 2-3 years ago but just started to ignore the team concept to pad his offensive numbers and Vs Lebron, Lebron still killed him only thing that went down was Lebron's scoring by -3 pts but lebron created +4 assists and still was efficient from the field like 54~%. not much he did vs him last year.

here's what I think the knicks can do to make them better is to let JR, Amare, and Bargs all walk no trading or nothing just let em walk! Trade Calderon if possible, resign Shump for cheap, keep Dally, get a healthy and productive short range shooting PF who can also play the post, get a Defensive C and one who has more than the 2 post moves Glass Tyson had, and try and get a Vocal leader on the team a vet if possible!

First and foremost: I certainly don't think the knicks should make a play at Smith this year.

My dreams for next season include Millsap/Asik or Gibson/Monroe.

I would like to keep Amare on a vet min, Shump on a reasonable deal. Trade JR for zilch. Dump Calderon and sign Lin.

Regarding Smith: To sort of go back on my first statement: It would be great to move Calderon and JRs contracts and get Smith and Lin (we'd need a point guard). Smith's value is at an all time low because of the DET system. That franchise has been through some horribleness. I dont really hold players responsible for what happened under horrible management. You can't put a team where no one can shoot all on the court together. Thats what Josh's shot chart shows me.