$108 million cap in '17-'18

[Rasho Brezec]

[prophet_of_rage]

$108M! Obviously that's everybody's cap but this helps the Knicks in a few ways. This summer a guy like Aldridge will view leaving as similar to staying financially. He can get an opt-out on 2016 and get a huge Max, thereby nullifying the home team's advantage, or he can get one in 2017 for an even bigger Max. Second, Knicks will have 3 straight big summers of available cap before Melo enters older age. And third, while everybody has the same cap, in addition to whatever Melo brings as a piece to attract players, if you can build a Super Team anywhere, NY will stand out. Put it this way -- if Knicks had unlimited resources for 3 summers in a row around 2010-2013*, which is kind of what the next 3 summers will be like, they'd have been the destination for lots of good players via free agency. The main thing that has held the Knicks back is the lack of flexibility to add talent. That will be different over the next 3.

*In 2010, if the Knicks had $108M in cap room, I think Bron comes even if the roster had previously been bad (as it had).

The Knicks had two max salary slots. And would have had a max slot in 2011. What they didn't have was a winning team, a tax free state, a warm climate, and a superstar already installed.

The problem is the opposing teams will have something similar to us and more space. Look at the Thunder. They will have, in theory, Durant, Westbrook and the ability to add another max. You don't think that trumps what NY has? If LA resigns in Portland they have Aldrigde, Lillard and the ability to add another max. Everybody having the same money doesn't help the Knicks because we lack talent to be attractive and cold weather cities with high state taxes aren't necessarily the most desirable places for increasingly southern-born, can be a star anywhere athletes.

[NoLayupRule]

that's pretty good

after the pick and cap holds we should have 2 12-14 mil salaries to offer or one 16 and one 10

Deng and Dragic
Monroe and Middleton
Asik, Affalo and Amir Johnson
Beverly, Matthews and Asik

many good possibilities

we have the chance to build a real good defensive team here

With Miami giving away 2 first rounders for Dragic, I feel like the Heat will make him a good enough offer to keep him. He also said that playing in Miami helped make up his mind, which tells me he wants to return there. With us having Galloway, at the price he costs which is basically nothing, and Calderon still on the roster, I would paint Dragic out the picture at this point.

Everybody else is in play as far as I know and the draft will kind of give us a little better idea of where we should go next once we figure out what type of payer we are taking.

of course thats true

I do expect as well that Dragic will remain
Deng may not

I think the knowledge of the exploding cap will somewhat offset the free agent resigning bonus and might allow us to land a top dog at less then he'd make resigning.

But I also think there are gonna be a couple guys - Like LMA and Gasol - who will give their teams a 1 year deal and one last run

2016-17 free agency is gonna be a beast
We have to have a good year next year and be attractive to free agents with more than $ and potential

[god shammgod]

doesn't your opt out have to be after 2 years ? and nobody is only taking a 1 or 2 year deal. they'll still want the guaranteed money in case they get hurt.

[moocow007]

So basically the next lockout will be in 2019, possibly 2020? When owners realize their mistakes?

[BKAY]

buncha one yer deals then back to the tank in 16' when we have our pick! /green

[BKAY]

So basically the next lockout will be in 2019, possibly 2020? When owners realize their mistakes?

probably after 2016 season when either side has the option to opt out of the CBA.

[HEZI]

of course thats true

I do expect as well that Dragic will remain
Deng may not

I think the knowledge of the exploding cap will somewhat offset the free agent resigning bonus and might allow us to land a top dog at less then he'd make resigning.

But I also think there are gonna be a couple guys - Like LMA and Gasol - who will give their teams a 1 year deal and one last run

2016-17 free agency is gonna be a beast
We have to have a good year next year and be attractive to free agents with more than $ and potential

I doubt they take 1 year deals, they will likely take the 5 year deal with player options

[Capn'O]

Rasho is cold blooded...

[KnicksGod]

doesn't your opt out have to be after 2 years ? and nobody is only taking a 1 or 2 year deal. they'll still want the guaranteed money in case they get hurt.

You can do 1 year and 1 option year.

[Greenie]

But YOUR interest in the game drives the revenue. If the players don't pocket the revenue, then the owners will. If not them the networks will. If not them then the advertisers will.

You watching NBA games in 2015 helps generate ratings that have value in the market and there is no suppressing that value. You're saying you resent the game for being popular. You're problem is lots of other people like and follow it just like you do.

I realize this is the part a lot of people respond "all that's true, but I don't like it anyway", but it doesn't make any sense.

Artificially suppressing the market value the league's TV ratings generate make NO sense. The only solution is you and everyone else stop following the game. You willing to take part in the actual only solution to this problem?

Can you stop? I said it's too much money...from all sides and on all levels. The end. I don't need a long-winded rant on why. We already know why. Go have a drink and relax. You're always so damn tense here.

Yes, I broke my 'A' key I was typing so hard with the tension.

If its too much money, stop helping them generate money. The end.

Ignore list you go. I'm pretty sure you were there before but you came back under a new name...

[Greenie]

So basically the next lockout will be in 2019, possibly 2020? When owners realize their mistakes?

basically.

They will cry broke again.

[god shammgod]

doesn't your opt out have to be after 2 years ? and nobody is only taking a 1 or 2 year deal. they'll still want the guaranteed money in case they get hurt.

You can do 1 year and 1 option year.

Older guys won't risk that

[And100]

So basically the next lockout will be in 2019, possibly 2020? When owners realize their mistakes?

2017. Both the team and league has an option to opt out of the remainder of the CBA after the 2016-2017 season, which one or both will almost certainly exercise.

The mostly likely result will be a new CBA in which the players recover some of the BRI % the gave up in the last CBA, which means the cap will go up even MORE in 2017-18 (however much of the season is played) than the NBA currently projects, and the distasteful salaries coming will go even higher.

[And100]

So basically the next lockout will be in 2019, possibly 2020? When owners realize their mistakes?

What mistakes?

Owners won the last CBA. The players made the mistake giving up BRI. Now they're going to want it back.

[KnicksGod]

doesn't your opt out have to be after 2 years ? and nobody is only taking a 1 or 2 year deal. they'll still want the guaranteed money in case they get hurt.

You can do 1 year and 1 option year.

Older guys won't risk that

Disagree -- they can always qualify for a lower Max. No risk.

[god shammgod]

You can do 1 year and 1 option year.

Older guys won't risk that

Disagree -- they can always qualify for a lower Max. No risk.

They won't risk losing 4 years guaranteed in case of injury

[Chuck Everett]

There is no need to change the CBA at all. Everyone is getting rich (and the cap is going up). No teams are running in the red anymore. That's a good thing. BRI remain at 50-50. And the owners have no reason to have a lockout. So it would be up to the players to strike. Now if you're one of these guys in line for 5 years/100 million (there are going to over 20 in this new CBA), why on Earth would you ever agree to a strike?

[And100]

There is no need to change the CBA at all. Everyone is getting rich (and the cap is going up). No teams are running in the red anymore. That's a good thing. BRI remain at 50-50. And the owners have no reason to have a lockout. So it would be up to the players to strike. Now if you're one of these guys in line for 5 years/100 million (there are going to over 20 in this new CBA), why on Earth would you ever agree to a strike?

Strikes are never about money or benefits. They are exercises of power.

Before the new CBA, players got 57% of revenue. They locked the players out, cost them 20% of their salaries in 2011 and got the players to agree to a 49-51% revenue split. The players were skeptical before and after that the owners crying poverty was trumped up and shortsighted. Almost immediately franchises starting selling for way over their known market value (Bucks, Clips) and then the new TV deal happened.

Players are going to want pay back. Got nothing to do with individual max salaries. Owners won the negotation and immediately got a financial windfall. Players are going to want to win this round.

It's inevitable.

[Chuck Everett]

Dude NBA players spend way too much money. They are not going to [willingly] strike for months. You're talking about the cap going up 40 million in 3 years and you strike? It will never fly.