N8isScofield wrote:frogfood wrote:kane wrote: ZS trying to be a poor mans nolen
That's a flippant and ludicrous statement and you know it. You still trolling? If you hate ZS' style that fine, but the two aren't alike at all. ZS' style is unique and his own: Dawn of the Dead, Watchmen, Sucker Punch, 300, MoS, BvS are easily traceable to ZS if you watched any of them and didn't know he was the director.
I've disagreed with Kane a lot but I think he's spot on here. You guys may not know this but Zack was like the 7th choice to direct Man of Steel. WB initially wanted Nolan to direct it because of the success of The Dark Knight but he didn't want to do it and agreed to produce instead. WB wanted something similar in tone to Nolan's work since they couldn't get Nolan himself to direct. There were about 6 other directors who Nolan considered who did not want to touch Superman. Snyder was the first one who did supposedly. The funny thing is that 2 years before he directed MOS Snyder was quoted as saying what I'm paraphrasing as basically Superman is corny and uninteresting. I think Zack knew all along that taking MOS was the key to getting to use Batman in a movie and so in MOS with Nolan more involved he tried to do his best Nolan impersonation. That was what he felt he needed to do to get the character he really wanted. From the second he too Man of Steel he had visions of adapting The Dark Knight Returns though of course he wouldn't admit it. MOS wasn't as disastrous because Nolan was still in the background.
Now fast forward to BvS. Snyder has painted himself into a corner. Nolan isn't involved anymore and he kind of got himself in trouble trying to emulate him in MOS. So now he has to sort of continue that tone but also try to transition to what should be a lighter tone for JL. Now he brings in Chris Terrio to supplement the elements that are missing without Nolan, mainly this kind of existential analysis of the mythological characters. It backfired though because as good a writer as Terrio is he has no knowledge of the characters and as such there was nobody to steer Zack away from mistakes in characterization with Superman especially. There was just too much to do without the necessary talent in the production team to do it. I wouldn't be surprised if JL is a better movie if Zack just goes out and makes a Zack Snyder movie instead of trying to do Nolan for WB. The trouble is that he has damaged the brand to where regardless of quality JL is going to leave money on the table. Too many people are not going to give Zack a 2nd or 3rd time to waste their money.
The funny thing is I believe Nolan was supposedly going to play a big role in the production, but with all the crazy ideas from Snyder and Goyer I think he got fed up and let them have their way meanwhile trying to do as much damage control as possible:
“In the original version of the script, Zod just got zapped into the Phantom Zone,” Snyder explains on the podcast, “But David, Chris and I had long talks about it, and I said that I really feel like we should kill Zod, and that Superman should kill him. The 'Why?' of it for me was that if was truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained… I wanted to create a scenario where Superman, either he's going to see [Metropolis' citizens] chopped in half, or he's gotta do what he's gotta do.”
Goyer agreed with Snyder on the idea, but there remained one behind-the-scenes holdout, and not a lightweight one either: producer Christopher Nolan. “[Chris] originally said, 'There's no way you can do this.' After checking in with DC Comics about the change, to which they responded positively, Goyer was spurred forward. “I came up with this idea of heat vision and these people about to die, and I wrote the scene, gave it to Chris, and he said, 'Okay you've convinced me.' ”
I can imagine Nolan was like: (after every other meeting)
