Do you agree Knicks should NEVER EVER trade unprotected 1st rounders again?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Giving our picks away like they were nothing and messing up the draft has been the #1 reason we have sucked the past 15 years. Phil has already surpassed every guy here in the past 15 years just by not trading any first rounders and for taking some smart chances in the draft.

Maybe one day there will be a time where it will make sense to trade picks, but we need to keep them for now. No more giving away picks!

[Spree2Houston]

People talk about having a culture change done and one of the proponents should be nomore trading of our 1st round picks!!! The only players you would ever considering trading picks for are Top 7 Players.

[Coeur]

Jrue, 2nd
for
Calderon, oquinn, 2018 1st (top 3-5 protected), 2017 & 2019 pick swap options

[Barcs]

Agree 1000%. The Knicks are dumb. There's no reason the Carmelo trade should STILL be haunting us. You can't rebuild without draft picks and the Knicks could have saved the team if they just waited for the off season then signed Melo instead of trading the farm for him. Nobody was going to give denver the king's ransom they wanted... except the impatient idiots in the knicks front office.

Notice how most of the contenders in the league have their first round picks intact for the most part. The knicks just over react to everything and do it all ass backwards. I'm just about done with this stupid team.

[omerome]

Jrue, 2nd
for
Calderon, oquinn, 2018 1st (top 3-5 protected), 2017 & 2019 pick swap options

No.

And if you try that trade in NBA2K, a dialog box should pop up with a phone number to the nearest doctor.

[Nazrmohamed]

No, good teams that we all know and watch won titles have traded first rounders. It happens, however
1-the knicks specifically need a first round trade time out. I call for a good four years. And people anyways focus on the talent and who we could get but it's really about flexibility. Typically people counter that there's no garauntees in the draft and its true about talent, but from a team building standpoint that's not true. From a team building standpoint teams that draft thier own talent and grow them spend less money to do so than teams built through free agency and trades. Now, you gotta do both so I don't wanna talk in absolutes but this team right here. .....we need to draft some talent for a good for years
2- our future best player is 20yrs old. I think we need to continuously surround him with peers, to be defined as talented players within 5 years of his age. You need vets but first we need a core. Right now all we got is a vet team with one lotto pick mixed in. We gotta continue with the youth movement and hopefully we get alot of those guys through the draft

[Coeur]

Jrue, 2nd
for
Calderon, oquinn, 2018 1st (top 3-5 protected), 2017 & 2019 pick swap options

No.

And if you try that trade in NBA2K, a dialog box should pop up with a phone number to the nearest doctor.

No? For the knicks?

Good chance youre giving up a tim hardaway type pick in 2018 to swap calderon for jrue

Small chance you are giving them a thj and a couple spots moved up for a jerian grant type

Really small chance you give up a porzingis type. Tiny chance.


You really see new orleans finishing higher than the knicks next season? W losing jrue and ryan anderson (& eric gordon)? What about 2018? What are the chances no finushes 5-10-15 spots better than NY?


One thing is for sure. Jrue Holiday would be a huge addition to the knicks. Esp replacing calderon. Then add on being a realistic desination for free agents without the huge hole in the roster would mean both the next 2 seasons free agent signigs would be better

[dakomish23]

The last time we had back to back lottery picks was in 08/09 - 2 of the best drafts of all time and have so many of the stars and good role players in today's NBA

2008

Rose
Westbrook
KLove
Gallo
BroLo
RoLo
Hibbert

21-26
Ryan Anderson
Courtney Lee
Koufus
Ibaka
Batum
George Hill

2nd rd
Pekovic
Charmers
Deandre Jordan
Asik
Dragic

2009

Griffin
Harden
Evans
Rubio
CURRY
DeRozan
Jennings
Holiday
Lawson
Teague
Gibson
Carroll

[omerome]

No? For the knicks?

Good chance youre giving up a tim hardaway type pick in 2018 to swap calderon for jrue

Small chance you are giving them a thj and a couple spots moved up for a jerian grant type

Really small chance you give up a porzingis type. Tiny chance.


You really see new orleans finishing higher than the knicks next season? W losing jrue and ryan anderson (& eric gordon)? What about 2018? What are the chances no finushes 5-10-15 spots better than NY?


One thing is for sure. Jrue Holiday would be a huge addition to the knicks. Esp replacing calderon. Then add on being a realistic desination for free agents without the huge hole in the roster would mean both the next 2 seasons free agent signigs would be better

Just because Jrue is better than Calderon doesn't mean you give up picks for him. There are other PGs in the league who are better than Jose that we can go after.

Trades like the one you're proposing is EXACTLY why we lack draft picks and are in this situation in the first place. Giving up on the future just to make the present a "little better". Also, I bet that's the same thinking our front office had when we gave Denver all those picks and why we lack a pick this year. Stop thinking short term.

Besides, Jrue can't stay healthy. His value shouldn't even be that high.

[Coeur]

No? For the knicks?

Good chance youre giving up a tim hardaway type pick in 2018 to swap calderon for jrue

Small chance you are giving them a thj and a couple spots moved up for a jerian grant type

Really small chance you give up a porzingis type. Tiny chance.


You really see new orleans finishing higher than the knicks next season? W losing jrue and ryan anderson (& eric gordon)? What about 2018? What are the chances no finushes 5-10-15 spots better than NY?


One thing is for sure. Jrue Holiday would be a huge addition to the knicks. Esp replacing calderon. Then add on being a realistic desination for free agents without the huge hole in the roster would mean both the next 2 seasons free agent signigs would be better

Just because Jrue is better than Calderon doesn't mean you give up picks for him. There are other PGs in the league who are better than Jose that we can go after.

Trades like the one you're proposing is EXACTLY why we lack draft picks and are in this situation in the first place. Giving up on the future just to make the present a "little better". Also, I bet that's the same thinking our front office had when we gave Denver all those picks and why we lack a pick this year. Stop thinking short term.

Besides, Jrue can't stay healthy. His value shouldn't even be that high.

Trading for jrue holiday is not short term or a "little better" now.

Who are the other pg's the knicks could go after? Will you be ok if the knicks "get to" be the team to send a few picks to memphis so conley gets his fifth year?

[Knicks_Fan2]

Jrue, 2nd
for
Calderon, oquinn, 2018 1st (top 3-5 protected), 2017 & 2019 pick swap options

No.

And if you try that trade in NBA2K, a dialog box should pop up with a phone number to the nearest doctor.

No? For the knicks?

Good chance youre giving up a tim hardaway type pick in 2018 to swap calderon for jrue

Small chance you are giving them a thj and a couple spots moved up for a jerian grant type

Really small chance you give up a porzingis type. Tiny chance.


You really see new orleans finishing higher than the knicks next season? W losing jrue and ryan anderson (& eric gordon)? What about 2018? What are the chances no finushes 5-10-15 spots better than NY?


One thing is for sure. Jrue Holiday would be a huge addition to the knicks. Esp replacing calderon. Then add on being a realistic desination for free agents without the huge hole in the roster would mean both the next 2 seasons free agent signigs would be better

This is terrible. How do you know how good we will/won't be in 2018? Jrue can barely stay healthy, couldn't help his team this year get to the playoffs, and we are supposed to give up a pick (and two swaps) for him? The advantage of a first isn't just the player, it's the contract that goes along with the player. Moreover, it helps you pivot to a different strategy mid season. What if, in 2018, Melo gets hurt mid season and our team is below avg. Do you really want to hand Nola a pick 5-15 just for the chance at an average pg?

[Sark]

Thread is about how Knicks should never trade picks.

Knicks fans immediately start posting trades involving picks.

[andyhop]

Notice how most of the contenders in the league have their first round picks intact for the most part. .

The Cavs owe 1st round picks this year and protected in 2018/19
The Warriors owe an unprotected pick in 2017
The Thunder owe their first this year and protected in 2018/19/20
The Raptors don't owe any first round picks

[NoLayupRule]

I believed some level of protection should always be applied to pick trades

And I believe "NEVER EVER" is about as silly a phrase as can be used

As has been stated I would trade multiple unprotected picks for curry right now

But the general intention of this thread is clearly to say that no picks should be traded without protection in less than exceptional circumstances


How was the bargs pick not lottery protected?
Astounding
Grubwald should be flogged for that

But it's also worth noting that this is exactly what happens when a franchise threatens turn over all the time. Gms get desperate and trade picks

[Capn'O]

Not anytime soon, thanks.

[ozwizard8]

I agree that we shouldnt trade unprotected 1st rounders. However i would be ok to trade lottery-protected picks. I cant trust knicks franchise, executives to give unprotected 1st rounder because they cant get the value of that pick. Last Bargnani trade was disaster.
We got KP last year but we shouldnt overrate 1st round picks. 76ers tanking for years but they still didnt get much from draft.
Unprotected picks usually end up in 6-30 region.
2016 draft really looks weak. Giving 6-30th region 1st round pick isnt a big issue. But we couldnt get anything for that pick.
Getting Bargnani with that contract wasnt a positive thing. Giving up 1st rounder was non-sense. If we got K.lowry or some other pg for that pick that'd be nice.

[MaseInYourFace]

I think the only justifiable situation to do that is if you are absolutely sure you are one move or player away from being in the finals. Otherwise it's dumb to do that.

[moocow007]

I think the only justifiable situation to do that is if you are absolutely sure you are one move or player away from being in the finals. Otherwise it's dumb to do that.

Yes, basically, you do it only if it makes great sense. Much like everything else in life where you have to sacrifice something of great value.

[Detective]

Not sure about this whole "Never Ever" stuff because it sounds like an extreme opposite mentality to the one that initially led to your organization giving away those picks, but I think it would be strategic and wise if you put a timespan ban on trading away picks(say 2-3 years) so that you can allow yourselves to build assets again, and then, once you have some further cards/options within hand, you could free yourselves to the opportunity to potentially package those picks with selective players in order to lure in a bigger asset in return.

In this new TV revenue era that is about to begin, a lot of teams will have a plethora of cap space, so packaged asset deals will likely become much more valuable in the long term. Jeff Van Gundy was saying the other day that with all the new $$$ revenue, teams also have to consider that a $ 1 in cap space for one team, will not exactly equal the same value of purchasing power to lure players, for another set of teams.

[dakomish23]

No? For the knicks?

Good chance youre giving up a tim hardaway type pick in 2018 to swap calderon for jrue

Small chance you are giving them a thj and a couple spots moved up for a jerian grant type

Really small chance you give up a porzingis type. Tiny chance.


You really see new orleans finishing higher than the knicks next season? W losing jrue and ryan anderson (& eric gordon)? What about 2018? What are the chances no finushes 5-10-15 spots better than NY?


One thing is for sure. Jrue Holiday would be a huge addition to the knicks. Esp replacing calderon. Then add on being a realistic desination for free agents without the huge hole in the roster would mean both the next 2 seasons free agent signigs would be better

Just because Jrue is better than Calderon doesn't mean you give up picks for him. There are other PGs in the league who are better than Jose that we can go after.

Trades like the one you're proposing is EXACTLY why we lack draft picks and are in this situation in the first place. Giving up on the future just to make the present a "little better". Also, I bet that's the same thinking our front office had when we gave Denver all those picks and why we lack a pick this year. Stop thinking short term.

Besides, Jrue can't stay healthy. His value shouldn't even be that high.

The one time we got a player back who actually led to a decent amount of success is your example? SMH