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[MaseInYourFace]

Rumor is that Washington is supposedly willing to trade Giolito straight up for Miller. He is the top ranked minor league pitching prospect and number four overall according to mlb.com.

Is that one prospect, even one as good as Giolito, enough of a return for a proven closer under team control for two more seasons?

Relievers usually don't get you a prospect that good. So yeah I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. I love Miller but on a mediocre Yankees team he's expendable.

[Knickfan1982]

Also, looking back through the archives of the top prospects each year, it is pretty clear that more often then not, the top pitching prospects don't necessarily pan out the way the bats do.

Top 10 Pitching Prospects per year since 2011

2011
1. Matt Moore
2. Julio Teheran
3. Shelby Miller
4. Jacob Turner
5. Martin Perez
6. Jameson Taillon
7. Tyler Skaggs
8. Manny Banuelos
9. Casey Kelly
10. Jake Odorizi

2012
1. Dylan Bundy
2. Taijuan Walker
3. Trevor Bauer
4. Zach Wheeler
5. Gerritt Cole
6. Danny Hulten
7. Tyler Skaggs
8. Jameson Taillon
9. Archie Bradley
10. Shelby Miller

2013
1. Taijuan Walker
2. Archie Bradley
3. Jameson Taillon
4. Noah Syndegaard
5. Kevin Gausman
6. Dylan Bundy
7. Robert Stephenson
8. Aaron Sanchez
9. Danny Hulten
10. Mark Appel

2014
1. Lucas Giolito
2. Archie Bradley
3. Noah Syndegaard
4. Jon Gray
5. Dylan Bundy
6. Julio Urias
7. Tyler Glasnow
8. Robert Stephenson
9. Andrew Heaney
10. Carlos Rodon

Those lists are really not all that impressive. There are a few really good pitchers (Syndegaard, Cole) who you would absolutely trade a Miller straight up for. But more often then not, for whatever reason, these guys that are rated so highly as 22 year old pitchers, don't become studs. It isn't a sure thing, or even a likely thing, which makes the Yankees holding out for more, the right thing to do for now IMO.

Julio Teheran.

I would not put Teheran in the same class as Cole or Syndegaard. He's an ok, young pitcher with potential but I'm not sold that he is ever going to be an ace. Right now, I'd take Miller over Teheran. Obviously if the Yankees were out of it and only building for a year or two from now, then you'd take the 25 year old starter.

Even if you want to put him into that class of stud though, which I wouldn't, that's only three of 29 that have panned out. Obviously there is still time for a bunch of them, but my point remains, the scouts usually seem to hit on the position players better then they do the pitchers for a variety of reasons.

Giolito is a very good prospect, but he's still just a prospect. He may develop into a top line generational talent, or he may still get hurt (again) or just flat out bust. The Nationals are more desperate then we are to make a move like this. They should add something else IMO.

Well if the picture was a 100% sure thing they would never trade them for Miller either. With all due respect to Miller, a dominant starter is worth more than a dominant reliever especially when these guys earn much less than even Miller's relatively affordable contract. So I think you need to be a little realistic. And Teheran is definately worth more than Miller. He'd immediately be our ace.

[GIMME_DATT]

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[Phish Tank]

thanks for waiting Hal Steinbrenner.... so cheap

[Dr. Detfink]

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[DickGrayson]

Yankees have no real plan.

[Dr. Detfink]

Other teams don't want the Yanks' overpriced old laundry. Miller was their best asset. I'm going to be amused when Ca$hman comes up with an excuse.

[MaseInYourFace]

Miller traded to Indians. No deets yet.

[bishnykfan]

Miller traded to Indians. No deets yet.

Clint Frazier and Justise Sheffield

[bishnykfan]

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[Mecca]

Miller traded to Indians. No deets yet.

Clint Frazier and Justise Sheffield

We now have 7-8 top 100 prospects AND Bird/Severino. We're f**ing loaded. 2017 will be exciting for sure. Frazier is MLB ready 2017. Gardner must be good as gone in the off-season.

[bishnykfan]

Clint Frazier- rated as the Indians #1 prospect


Team: Columbus Clippers (AAA) ETA: 2017 Position: OF Age: 21 DOB: 09/06/1994 Bats: R Throws: R Height: 6' 1" Weight: 190 lb.
Drafted: 2013, 1st (5) - CLE
VIDEO Other Lists: Top 100 Prospects (#24), Top 10 OF Prospects (#6)

Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 60 | Run: 55 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55
The first high school position player to be selected in the 2013 Draft, Frazier went to the Indians with the fifth overall pick and received a franchise-record $3.5 million signing bonus. Following an up-and-down full-season debut, he got off to a sluggish start in 2015 at Class A Advanced Lynchburg before erupting during the second half (.325/.422/.539). Frazier finished the year as the Carolina League's leader in hits (143), doubles (36) and total bases (233), ranked second in home runs (16) and runs scored (88), and third in OPS (.842), RBIs (72) and walks (68). After a strong showing in the Arizona Fall League, he continued to make strides in 2016 with the move to Double-A and earned a trip to the SiriusXM Futures Game. A few weeks later, Frazier was promoted to Triple-A Columbus along with Bradley Zimmer.

Frazier's bat speed and raw power are among the best in the Minor Leagues and suggest the ceiling of an All-Star. Though he struggled to harness his aggressive approach and recognize spin early in his career, Frazier has developed into a more complete hitter as he's climbed the Minor League ladder, with strikeout and walk rates that continue to trend in a positive direction.

Frazier has above-average speed and will continue to develop in center field, though he may eventually have to slide over to right field in deference to the some of the Tribe's other center-field prospects in the high Minors.

[bishnykfan]

Miller traded to Indians. No deets yet.

Clint Frazier and Justise Sheffield

We now have 7-8 top 100 prospects AND Bird/Severino. We're f**ing loaded. 2017 will be exciting for sure. Frazier is MLB ready 2017. Gardner must be good as gone in the off-season.

Yeah, I know everyone here freaked out when we missed out on Giolito, but it seems like Cashman did pretty well for themselves and like you said, there minor leagues are loaded now. Plus Olney has said they are still looking to move McCann, Gardner, Beltran and Nova so they should add a few more pieces.

[bishnykfan]

Justus Sheffield rated #5 overall Indians prospect on mlb.com

Team: Lynchburg Hillcats (A Adv) ETA: 2018 Position: LHP Age: 20 DOB: 05/13/1996 Bats: L Throws: L Height: 5' 10" Weight: 196 lb.
Drafted: 2014, 1st (31) - CLE
VIDEO Other Lists: Top 100 Prospects (#95)

Scouting grades: Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 55 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 55
The Indians used their second of two first-round picks in the 2014 Draft to get Sheffield, selecting him 31st overall after they had previously taken Bradley Zimmer at No. 21. That he signed for $1.6 million the following day allowed him to gain valuable experience during his brief pro debut in the Rookie-level Arizona League, and he began his first full season at Class A Lake County. The left-hander proceeded to flash his upside over 26 starts in the Midwest League, where, at age 19, he was a midseason All-Star and ranked second with 138 strikeouts. He took home All-Star honors for a second straight year in 2016, this time as a member of Class A Advanced Lynchburg.

Sheffield shows the makings of an above-average three-pitch mix. He's hit 96 mph with his fastball but usually sits in the 92-93 mph range with late, arm-side life and some sink. His curveball flashes plus and projects as a swing-and-miss offering at the highest level, and he made strides developing his changeup in 2015. A good athlete with a clean and repeatable delivery, Sheffield floods the zone with all his pitches but needs to improve the quality of his strikes.

At 5-foot-10, Sheffield is somewhat undersized but still creates good downhill plane toward the plate and keeps the ball in the yard. Both his secondary pitches and his command require further refinement, but the southpaw has all the tools necessary to develop into a quality mid-rotation starting pitcher.

[Mecca]

Clint Frazier and Justise Sheffield

We now have 7-8 top 100 prospects AND Bird/Severino. We're f**ing loaded. 2017 will be exciting for sure. Frazier is MLB ready 2017. Gardner must be good as gone in the off-season.

Yeah, I know everyone here freaked out when we missed out on Giolito, but it seems like Cashman did pretty well for themselves and like you said, there minor leagues are loaded now. Plus Olney has said they are still looking to move McCann, Gardner, Beltran and Nova so they should add a few more pieces.

Yeah bish, I'd have to assume McCann/Gardner are as good as gone now. Frazier will be MLB ready next year & Sanchez has been ready for over a year now. If we can get rid of McCann, whom I've been preaching to move, our team will be incredibly exciting to watch in 2017.

[bishnykfan]

Frazier- 24
Torres- 26
Mateo- 27
Judge- 32
Sanchez- 39
Rutherford- 64
Sheffield- 95

Seven of the top 95 prospects now. Only one pitcher though but we are stacked with position players. Hopefully we can move Nova, McCann and Gardner at the very least in the next 30 hours.

[MaseInYourFace]

Holy shat what a haul! Heller the third piece in trade throws 100 and is considered mlb ready reliever.

[Mecca]

Frazier- 24
Torres- 26
Mateo- 27
Judge- 32
Sanchez- 39
Rutherford- 64
Sheffield- 95

Seven of the top 95 prospects now. Only one pitcher though but we are stacked with position players. Hopefully we can move Nova, McCann and Gardner at the very least in the next 30 hours.

We're trying to be 2018 World Series Champions. We're not spending a dime until 2018's free agency, when the free agent class is oing to be ridiculous.

- Our next order of business should be to move McCann, Gardner, Ellsbury, and any of our pitchers. Maybe use Eovaldi or Pineda to sweeten a deal with McCann or Ellsbury and eat money without receiving a real prospect back.

With so many young players on our roster, in 2018 we can target a big 3. (Machado or Harper + Fernandez + Harvey or Kuechel.)

2018 Lineup:
1. Mateo - 2B
2. Didi - SS
3. Frazier - CF
4. Harper - RF
5. Bird - 1B
6. Judge - LF
7. Alverez - DH
8. Sanchez - C
9. Torres - 3B

Staff:
1. Fernandez
2. Tanaka
3. Harvey or Kuechel
4. Severino
5. Kaprielan or Sheffield

We're coming....

[Apples]

Frazier- 24
Torres- 26
Mateo- 27
Judge- 32
Sanchez- 39
Rutherford- 64
Sheffield- 95

Seven of the top 95 prospects now. Only one pitcher though but we are stacked with position players. Hopefully we can move Nova, McCann and Gardner at the very least in the next 30 hours.

We're trying to be 2018 World Series Champions. We're not spending a dime until 2018's free agency, when the free agent class is oing to be ridiculous.

- Our next order of business should be to move McCann, Gardner, Ellsbury, and any of our pitchers. Maybe use Eovaldi or Pineda to sweeten a deal with McCann or Ellsbury and eat money without receiving a real prospect back.

With so many young players on our roster, in 2018 we can target a big 3. (Machado or Harper + Fernandez + Harvey or Kuechel.)

2018 Lineup:
1. Mateo - 2B
2. Didi - SS
3. Frazier - CF
4. Harper - RF
5. Bird - 1B
6. Judge - LF
7. Alverez - DH
8. Sanchez - C
9. Torres - 3B

Staff:
1. Fernandez
2. Tanaka
3. Harvey or Kuechel
4. Severino
5. Kaprielan or Sheffield

We're coming....

Harper will be a FA after the 18' season.

[BadNewsBarnes]

I'm guessing that Severino is going to be the 8th Inning guy and Warren the 7th Inning guy.