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TheBigBoss wrote:WTF?!? How did Sasha become part of the crew? Lol
Johnstarks wrote:I know I've said this before but I really think people are overestimating the impact rose will have. Calderon was a floor spacer with an extremely low usage rate. He scored when he shot and he didn't throw possessions away. He didn't cramp spacing for other guys to go to work. That's not a bad offensive player if he's your SF or PF.
Now since he's your PG it stands out because you have to initiate offense with a potentially less efficient ballhandler/penetrator but if we theoretically had one it would not be so pronounced. Example pairing Dellevedova with leBron or Beverley with harden.
Okay so now they replace him with rose. Rose has a much higher usage rate and gets penetration but the net effect is when he's off the ball the knicks get a downgrade in spacing. And when he's on the ball they consume a lot of extra empty possessions on his bricks. And there's no proof he creates enough additional baskets via assists and penetration to offset his higher brick ratio...
Getting rid of a low usage, floor spacer doesn't necessarily improve your offense, it just reallocates your possessions... we have to do something productive with them to improve the offense
Lee improves our spacing but takes away a playmaker as he's basically just a catch and shoot guy. Noah is a downgrade on offense from lopez in all likelihood. Porzingis is a defensive star, his offense is still being nurtured. He could break out but I'd expect more of a transition improvement before he truly becomes a goto scorer.
Anthony has been in steady decline with his knee issues. I'm just not seeing a top 15 offense here.
Noah isn't a dpoy candidate at this stage of his career and lopez was solid on that end. Rose is a terrible defender much like Calderon. Anthony is still anthony. Porz is terrific but he was already terrific last year. Who knows how much improvement he has on thwt end? Lee is a solid defender and an upgrade over afflalo but it's not like we went from Jamal Crawford to Danny green or anything.
I just think these "upgrades" or relatively slight. And the lingering health concerns will be there all year. There are so many across the board that it's virtually impossible a few prolonged injuries don't bite us and the bench is weak.
Then combine thwt with very little continuity amongst the players, coaches, or system. And a bunch of egos. And a high profile media market... this thing all seems extremely combustible.
Like there is a slight hope this could really work and the team star power aligns and this team wins a round in the playoffs...
But doesn't it seem almost as likely the wheels fall off and this team goes 30-52? I just don't have much optimism for this group.
In the end I think they go through some hot stretches thwt get everyone excited. And some dreadful stretches that get so much more attention than warranted because it's the knicks and they have big names this year. Roller coaster ride for this team in a conference where teams like indy, det, cha the knicks are chasing have much more stability. And even teams like mia, Atlanta, mil Waukee look better on paper to me.
Johnstarks wrote:I know I've said this before but I really think people are overestimating the impact rose will have. Calderon was a floor spacer with an extremely low usage rate. He scored when he shot and he didn't throw possessions away. He didn't cramp spacing for other guys to go to work. That's not a bad offensive player if he's your SF or PF.
Now since he's your PG it stands out because you have to initiate offense with a potentially less efficient ballhandler/penetrator but if we theoretically had one it would not be so pronounced. Example pairing Dellevedova with leBron or Beverley with harden.
Okay so now they replace him with rose. Rose has a much higher usage rate and gets penetration but the net effect is when he's off the ball the knicks get a downgrade in spacing. And when he's on the ball they consume a lot of extra empty possessions on his bricks. And there's no proof he creates enough additional baskets via assists and penetration to offset his higher brick ratio...
Getting rid of a low usage, floor spacer doesn't necessarily improve your offense, it just reallocates your possessions... we have to do something productive with them to improve the offense
Lee improves our spacing but takes away a playmaker as he's basically just a catch and shoot guy. Noah is a downgrade on offense from lopez in all likelihood. Porzingis is a defensive star, his offense is still being nurtured. He could break out but I'd expect more of a transition improvement before he truly becomes a goto scorer.
Anthony has been in steady decline with his knee issues. I'm just not seeing a top 15 offense here.
Noah isn't a dpoy candidate at this stage of his career and lopez was solid on that end. Rose is a terrible defender much like Calderon. Anthony is still anthony. Porz is terrific but he was already terrific last year. Who knows how much improvement he has on thwt end? Lee is a solid defender and an upgrade over afflalo but it's not like we went from Jamal Crawford to Danny green or anything.
I just think these "upgrades" or relatively slight. And the lingering health concerns will be there all year. There are so many across the board that it's virtually impossible a few prolonged injuries don't bite us and the bench is weak.
Then combine thwt with very little continuity amongst the players, coaches, or system. And a bunch of egos. And a high profile media market... this thing all seems extremely combustible.
Like there is a slight hope this could really work and the team star power aligns and this team wins a round in the playoffs...
But doesn't it seem almost as likely the wheels fall off and this team goes 30-52? I just don't have much optimism for this group.
In the end I think they go through some hot stretches thwt get everyone excited. And some dreadful stretches that get so much more attention than warranted because it's the knicks and they have big names this year. Roller coaster ride for this team in a conference where teams like indy, det, cha the knicks are chasing have much more stability. And even teams like mia, Atlanta, mil Waukee look better on paper to me.
AmazingJason wrote:TheBigBoss wrote:WTF?!? How did Sasha become part of the crew? Lol
People underrate Sasha. He's an NBA champion, is 100% reliable to be at where he's supposed to be on the court, and is a mentor to KP. Was an absolute beast once he got into a rhythm last season.
AmazingJason wrote:TheBigBoss wrote:WTF?!? How did Sasha become part of the crew? Lol
People underrate Sasha. He's an NBA champion, is 100% reliable to be at where he's supposed to be on the court, and is a mentor to KP. Was an absolute beast once he got into a rhythm last season.
postcall wrote:Johnstarks wrote:I know I've said this before but I really think people are overestimating the impact rose will have. Calderon was a floor spacer with an extremely low usage rate. He scored when he shot and he didn't throw possessions away. He didn't cramp spacing for other guys to go to work. That's not a bad offensive player if he's your SF or PF.
Now since he's your PG it stands out because you have to initiate offense with a potentially less efficient ballhandler/penetrator but if we theoretically had one it would not be so pronounced. Example pairing Dellevedova with leBron or Beverley with harden.
Okay so now they replace him with rose. Rose has a much higher usage rate and gets penetration but the net effect is when he's off the ball the knicks get a downgrade in spacing. And when he's on the ball they consume a lot of extra empty possessions on his bricks. And there's no proof he creates enough additional baskets via assists and penetration to offset his higher brick ratio...
Getting rid of a low usage, floor spacer doesn't necessarily improve your offense, it just reallocates your possessions... we have to do something productive with them to improve the offense
Lee improves our spacing but takes away a playmaker as he's basically just a catch and shoot guy. Noah is a downgrade on offense from lopez in all likelihood. Porzingis is a defensive star, his offense is still being nurtured. He could break out but I'd expect more of a transition improvement before he truly becomes a goto scorer.
Anthony has been in steady decline with his knee issues. I'm just not seeing a top 15 offense here.
Noah isn't a dpoy candidate at this stage of his career and lopez was solid on that end. Rose is a terrible defender much like Calderon. Anthony is still anthony. Porz is terrific but he was already terrific last year. Who knows how much improvement he has on thwt end? Lee is a solid defender and an upgrade over afflalo but it's not like we went from Jamal Crawford to Danny green or anything.
I just think these "upgrades" or relatively slight. And the lingering health concerns will be there all year. There are so many across the board that it's virtually impossible a few prolonged injuries don't bite us and the bench is weak.
Then combine thwt with very little continuity amongst the players, coaches, or system. And a bunch of egos. And a high profile media market... this thing all seems extremely combustible.
Like there is a slight hope this could really work and the team star power aligns and this team wins a round in the playoffs...
But doesn't it seem almost as likely the wheels fall off and this team goes 30-52? I just don't have much optimism for this group.
In the end I think they go through some hot stretches thwt get everyone excited. And some dreadful stretches that get so much more attention than warranted because it's the knicks and they have big names this year. Roller coaster ride for this team in a conference where teams like indy, det, cha the knicks are chasing have much more stability. And even teams like mia, Atlanta, mil Waukee look better on paper to me.
Yeah I am with you 100% this is the annual offseason circle jerk. This team is poorly constructed and I believe Phil knows that. He likely is gone after this year and doesn't want to put out a garbage product on his way out. At least if we win 35-40 games Phil can say he left a team headed in the right direction. Should have fired him before he offered Noah that horrific contract.
poeman wrote:Question for yall...Do you forsee a 50 point game by Rose this season?
poeman wrote:Question for yall...Do you forsee a 50 point game by Rose this season?
poeman wrote:Question for yall...Do you forsee a 50 point game by Rose this season?
poeman wrote:Question for yall...Do you forsee a 50 point game by Rose this season?
postcall wrote:What part dont you understand? Pretty standard practice for a desperate GM who knows his time is about to end. He is done after this year as the full time guy in NYC. In true Knicks fashion he will be "Reassigned to a consultant special advisor role."
Rotten Apple wrote:postcall wrote:What part dont you understand? Pretty standard practice for a desperate GM who knows his time is about to end. He is done after this year as the full time guy in NYC. In true Knicks fashion he will be "Reassigned to a consultant special advisor role."
Why are you making up stuff?
postcall wrote:Rotten Apple wrote:postcall wrote:What part dont you understand? Pretty standard practice for a desperate GM who knows his time is about to end. He is done after this year as the full time guy in NYC. In true Knicks fashion he will be "Reassigned to a consultant special advisor role."
Why are you making up stuff?
Sig bet ? Playoffs vs Not?
postcall wrote:Yeah he will here next season. Its the season after that he will be gone erm moved to a special advisory etc.
My offer is playoffs or not for that guy.
For you
If you want to do a $5 charity bet Over Under 39 wins let me know. Lets keep it positive.
RHODEY wrote:Johnstarks wrote:I know I've said this before but I really think people are overestimating the impact rose will have. Calderon was a floor spacer with an extremely low usage rate. He scored when he shot and he didn't throw possessions away. He didn't cramp spacing for other guys to go to work. That's not a bad offensive player if he's your SF or PF.
Now since he's your PG it stands out because you have to initiate offense with a potentially less efficient ballhandler/penetrator but if we theoretically had one it would not be so pronounced. Example pairing Dellevedova with leBron or Beverley with harden.
Okay so now they replace him with rose. Rose has a much higher usage rate and gets penetration but the net effect is when he's off the ball the knicks get a downgrade in spacing. And when he's on the ball they consume a lot of extra empty possessions on his bricks. And there's no proof he creates enough additional baskets via assists and penetration to offset his higher brick ratio...
Getting rid of a low usage, floor spacer doesn't necessarily improve your offense, it just reallocates your possessions... we have to do something productive with them to improve the offense
Lee improves our spacing but takes away a playmaker as he's basically just a catch and shoot guy. Noah is a downgrade on offense from lopez in all likelihood. Porzingis is a defensive star, his offense is still being nurtured. He could break out but I'd expect more of a transition improvement before he truly becomes a goto scorer.
Anthony has been in steady decline with his knee issues. I'm just not seeing a top 15 offense here.
Noah isn't a dpoy candidate at this stage of his career and lopez was solid on that end. Rose is a terrible defender much like Calderon. Anthony is still anthony. Porz is terrific but he was already terrific last year. Who knows how much improvement he has on thwt end? Lee is a solid defender and an upgrade over afflalo but it's not like we went from Jamal Crawford to Danny green or anything.
I just think these "upgrades" or relatively slight. And the lingering health concerns will be there all year. There are so many across the board that it's virtually impossible a few prolonged injuries don't bite us and the bench is weak.
Then combine thwt with very little continuity amongst the players, coaches, or system. And a bunch of egos. And a high profile media market... this thing all seems extremely combustible.
Like there is a slight hope this could really work and the team star power aligns and this team wins a round in the playoffs...
But doesn't it seem almost as likely the wheels fall off and this team goes 30-52? I just don't have much optimism for this group.
In the end I think they go through some hot stretches thwt get everyone excited. And some dreadful stretches that get so much more attention than warranted because it's the knicks and they have big names this year. Roller coaster ride for this team in a conference where teams like indy, det, cha the knicks are chasing have much more stability. And even teams like mia, Atlanta, mil Waukee look better on paper to me.
Can I have some of what you're smoking?
postcall wrote:Rotten Apple wrote:postcall wrote:What part dont you understand? Pretty standard practice for a desperate GM who knows his time is about to end. He is done after this year as the full time guy in NYC. In true Knicks fashion he will be "Reassigned to a consultant special advisor role."
Why are you making up stuff?
Sig bet ? Playoffs vs Not?
