Poll: Would Phil? Westbrook for Rose and...

BBALLER4FR · Post #1 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:38 pm

This is a hypothetical for serious consideration.

If OKC calls and says Westbrook will only come east to play in NY, and the going rate was Rose and 2 future 1sts, I know there are many that wouldn't hesitate but THE QUESTION IS ...

Given that we picked up Noah primarily because he was recruited by Rose, does Phil give up the 1st rounders, risk missing the playoffs should Noah/Melo get injured and alienate both Rose and Noah for the far superior option?

Post #2 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:40 pm

I'd have my back channel tell Westbrook to simply just sign with us next year...everyone else is doing it (I.e. leaving their teams, not needing the extra money and year that comes with resigning under Bird Rights) and that doing so will make the Knicks stronger (i.e. meaning it'll improve his chances to win)...then tell OKC thanks but no thanks.

BKlutch · Post #3 » by **BKlutch** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:42 pm

moocow007 wrote:I'd have my back channel tell Westbrook to simply just sign with us next year...everyone else is doing it (not needing the extra money and year that comes with resigning under Bird Rights) and the Knicks will be stronger for it (meaning it'll improve his chances to win)...then tell OKC thanks but no thanks.

Making this trade would be betting our future on Russ's health. What if he blows out his knee? Then we're screwed for years, once again. If Rose can't play, we're ok next year and have BJ this year.

NYKnicksTAPE · Post #4 » by **NYKnicksTAPE** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:43 pm

Noah signed here for 4 years knowing that Rose was expiring and could possibly not be here next season...

Knicksfan1992 · Post #5 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:45 pm

moocow007 wrote:I'd have my back channel tell Westbrook to simply just sign with us next year...everyone else is doing it (I.e. leaving their teams, not needing the extra money and year that comes with resigning under Bird Rights) and that doing so will make the Knicks stronger (i.e. meaning it'll improve his chances to win)...then tell OKC thanks but no thanks.

Yep you have to be doing as much shady chit possible to convey to Westbrook that his best chance possible to win a title is to suck it up this year with the Thunder and come over next summer. If he wants to be impatient and short-sighted and go to the Celtics or the Lakers and deplete their talent base then go ahead but, you won't win anything notable soon at either of those places.

Knicks Byke · Post #6 » by **Knicks Byke** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:46 pm

we should be discussing RW to boston since i think that might actually happen before the season starts

BBALLER4FR · Post #7 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:46 pm

NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Noah signed here for 4 years knowing that Rose was expiring and could possibly not be here next season...

Maybe with the understanding from Phil and Rose that Derrick would ball out this contract year and be re-signed. Maybe behind the scenes faith and agreement took place. Rose had to have spoken with Noah prior. Why would he recruit a guy to come to a team he was uncertain about being in his future?

el13adnino · Post #8 » by **el13adnino** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:09 pm

because he had a plYer option and was going to opt out and noah is from ny

captainrebel · Post #9 » by **captainrebel** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:14 pm

Knicks would. OKC wouldn't

DaGawd · Post #10 » by **DaGawd** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:16 pm

I'm gonna go with the No Option

NYKnicksTAPE · Post #11 » by **NYKnicksTAPE** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:17 pm

BBALLER4FR wrote:
NYKnicksTAPE wrote:Noah signed here for 4 years knowing that Rose was expiring and could possibly not be here next season...

Maybe with the understanding from Phil and Rose that Derrick would ball out this contract year and be re-signed. Maybe behind the scenes faith and agreement took place. Rose had to have spoken with Noah prior. Why would he recruit a guy to come to a team he was uncertain about being in his future?

Why would Phil do that for Rose if he plays well in a contract year when he hasn't played well the last 3 years and is still a huge risk health wise when dudes like Russ and CP3 will be on the market next summer?

Post #12 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:17 pm

OKC would say no to this a lot quicker then us.

Post #13 » by **King of Canada** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:20 pm

How do you say No in redneck?

Post #14 » by **Thorn** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:21 pm

He should hang up on them, and just sign the guy outright as a free agent or move on. Keep our picks.

Greenie · Post #15 » by **Greenie** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:23 pm

OKC says no. KP must be involved.

I told you guys this.
Russ may want his cash...

Post #16 » by **NoLayupRule** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:27 pm

you have to risk the trade to boston and him being happy

you stick to the plan, play out the season and see

Westbrook can come here as a FA as can Paul
you stay the course and don't panic

at the trade deadline you can reassess but really this 1 year plan needs a year

Post #17 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:29 pm

King of Canada wrote:How do you say No in redneck?

Id rather make love to a mule in the heat of summer? :dontknow:

Phish Tank · Post #18 » by **Phish Tank** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:31 pm

Don't see it happening for few reasons:

1) Westbrook's probably gonna get shipped to a team before the season starts, which will take us out of the equation since we're not gonna give up Rose that quickly into this.

2) Trading him at the deadline doesn't really make much sense from a team perspective. If we're winning with Rose, we're probably not giving him up. If we lose with Rose, then I don't really see a trade making sense.

3) Any trade will involve KP. But the Knicks have invested too much into him already. Many of the signings are really catering to KP directly and indirectly. Willy, Vujacic, LT, Mindgames, Noah to an extent.... a lot of these signings are for KP. Doesn't really make much sense to get rid of KP with all his pieces still on the team.

Most importantly:

4) Westbrook WANTS to play with KP and Phil knows that

5) He'll be available as a free agent. No need to rush

BBALLER4FR · Post #19 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:31 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:OKC would say no to this a lot quicker then us.

OKC would say no to a lot of offers. I will say this, there aren't many teams that can appeal to Westbrook re-signing, that own high picks (would have to be another teams pick if team is good enough for Westbrook to consider re-signing) and have enough salary going back. I know the Celtics can fulfill that list but beyond that the Thunder's potential haul becomes scraps. I think the Knicks can fulfill 2 of those 3 on that list since

1. Westbrook would likely re-sign in NY with Melo, KP, Noah and Lee as his soldiers

2. Rose is not only a former #1, league MVP and still a top PG in the league, but he's expiring so the risk is minimal and the reward is you've got someone who can be Westbrook light if he's free from injury.

The picks are where it gets tricky in which case if they suck they'd have their pick (high) and the Knicks pick for multiple years (mid to low).

Where it gets tricky with the Celtics is though they have the picks and the talent to send back to OKC one has to wonder if IT/Horford sells Westbrook on resigning there. They are talented but is a Westbrook/IT/Horford trio better than, or even on par with a Westbrook/Durant/Ibaka/Adams quartet? I'd argue a Westbrook/Lee/Melo/KP/Noah 5 would bring it closer.

Edit: I'm assuming one of IT/Crowder would be outgoing with a pick for OKC to consider.

BeagleBoss · Post #20 » by **BeagleBoss** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:33 pm

Westbrook isn't coming here. He's an LA guy and Boston has way more assets to trade. Plus Rose is going to bloom at the Garden.

Phil takes Westbrook, no picks and a pissed Noah or 1yr Rose, motivated Noah and keeping picks?