It's official: Derrick Rose is a scumbag

[DaGawd]

If Wade wanted to come here he could have come here. Stars ain't fuqing with us. We will need to constantly overpay good players.

Or build thru draft?

sure. Pray we don't end up like Orlando or PHX or Sac and so on

They're still searching for a prospect the level of KP. We have that... the hardest part. Now just let the growth around him happen organically with young players.

[NYKMentality85]

Or build thru draft?

sure. Pray we don't end up like Orlando or PHX or Sac and so on

They're still searching for a prospect the level of KP. We have that... the hardest part. Now just let the growth around him happen organically with young players.

Exactly DaGawd, exactly.

You can use San Antonio as a prime example. After the drafting of a cornerstone big man in Tim Duncan back in 1997, they drafted Manu Ginobili two years later (2nd round, 57th overall, 1999). Two years after the drafting of Manu they selected Tony Parker (1st round, 28th overall, 2001). And the rest way history (all while David Robinson played until 2003).

We've finally landed our franchise player in Porzingis and as San Antonio had a veteran leader in Robinson to help mold their prized possession in Duncan, New York has an NBA future 1st ballot Hall of Famer in Anthony to help mold our great hope in Porzingis.

There are fans out there that believe the trio of Parker, Ginobili and Duncan "happened over night". In which it didn't. It took time, patience & great front office scouting.

Phil Jackson has both of Porzingis & Anthony at his disposal as did San Antonio with Duncan & Robinson. Now it's time for Phil Jackson to surround this duo with talented Free Agents & come up big with marque draft picks (the Manu's & Parker's do exist within the draft).

[NBA Fan 1234]

Or build thru draft?

sure. Pray we don't end up like Orlando or PHX or Sac and so on

They're still searching for a prospect the level of KP. We have that... the hardest part. Now just let the growth around him happen organically with young players.

I think Phoenix actually has the guy in Booker. Chriss looks interesting, but Bender looks like a potential DPOY candidate. The issue is the rest of the team and the way they (foolishly) put it together. Instead of trying to tank hard, they're keeping their guys they could get value for...which will get them wins, but lose them ping pong balls. Sound familiar?

[DaGawd]

sure. Pray we don't end up like Orlando or PHX or Sac and so on

They're still searching for a prospect the level of KP. We have that... the hardest part. Now just let the growth around him happen organically with young players.

I think Phoenix actually has the guy in Booker. Chriss looks interesting, but Bender looks like a potential DPOY candidate. The issue is the rest of the team and the way they (foolishly) put it together. Instead of trying to tank hard, they're keeping their guys they could get value for...which will get them wins, but lose them ping pong balls. Sound familiar?

All too familiar

[Jeff Van Gully]

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Why wasn't Porzingis invited?

dem boys & gals look lit.

look like that holiday blunt went around. they must not random test over the holidays.

[Greenie]

Or build thru draft?

sure. Pray we don't end up like Orlando or PHX or Sac and so on

They're still searching for a prospect the level of KP. We have that... the hardest part. Now just let the growth around him happen organically with young players.

Go tell AD that.
I don't care either way. At the end of the day, KP is the dude so he'll have to carry the team.

[Greenie]

sure. Pray we don't end up like Orlando or PHX or Sac and so on

They're still searching for a prospect the level of KP. We have that... the hardest part. Now just let the growth around him happen organically with young players.

I think Phoenix actually has the guy in Booker. Chriss looks interesting, but Bender looks like a potential DPOY candidate. The issue is the rest of the team and the way they (foolishly) put it together. Instead of trying to tank hard, they're keeping their guys they could get value for...which will get them wins, but lose them ping pong balls. Sound familiar?

Tank Hard? They've been in the lotto since Nash left. How much harder can one tank?

We can get rid of Melo. Fine. But if we are having more years like that 17 win year and KP is leading us(outside of him being hurt) then is he the dude we should be building around?

Our tanks will(or should) look more like the Pelicans if KP is a franchise player. We should hover around 30 wins a year. In other words more like the 8-12 pick.

[god shammgod]

so did d.rose bring a mac and cheese ? a patti's sweet potato pie ? something ?

[AmazingJason]

so did d.rose bring a mac and cheese ? a patti's sweet potato pie ? something ?

Yes, like Rose said, a healthy appetite

[NBA Fan 1234]

They're still searching for a prospect the level of KP. We have that... the hardest part. Now just let the growth around him happen organically with young players.

I think Phoenix actually has the guy in Booker. Chriss looks interesting, but Bender looks like a potential DPOY candidate. The issue is the rest of the team and the way they (foolishly) put it together. Instead of trying to tank hard, they're keeping their guys they could get value for...which will get them wins, but lose them ping pong balls. Sound familiar?

Tank Hard? They've been in the lotto since Nash left. How much harder can one tank?

We can get rid of Melo. Fine. But if we are having more years like that 17 win year and KP is leading us(outside of him being hurt) then is he the dude we should be building around?

Our tanks will(or should) look more like the Pelicans if KP is a franchise player. We should hover around 30 wins a year. In other words more like the 8-12 pick.

They've been in the lotto but never drafted anything in the top 4 (besides last year?) because they keep signing vets.

30 ish wins keeps us outside the top 5 but only by a small amount.

[Greenie]

I think Phoenix actually has the guy in Booker. Chriss looks interesting, but Bender looks like a potential DPOY candidate. The issue is the rest of the team and the way they (foolishly) put it together. Instead of trying to tank hard, they're keeping their guys they could get value for...which will get them wins, but lose them ping pong balls. Sound familiar?

Tank Hard? They've been in the lotto since Nash left. How much harder can one tank?

We can get rid of Melo. Fine. But if we are having more years like that 17 win year and KP is leading us(outside of him being hurt) then is he the dude we should be building around?

Our tanks will(or should) look more like the Pelicans if KP is a franchise player. We should hover around 30 wins a year. In other words more like the 8-12 pick.

They've been in the lotto but never drafted anything in the top 4 (besides last year?) because they keep signing vets.

30 ish wins keeps us outside the top 5 but only by a small amount.

Nope. We had the 9th or 10th(can't remember where Toronto picked) pick this past year. Denver didn't flip. We won 32 games. If KP is a franchise player then by his lonesome we should hover there. We will never get that top 3 pick. You're looking at mid to late lotto. That's the tank. How is that different from what this team was before 2010? Frye, Hill, Gallo...that's the mid round lotto picks.

[Greenie]

The purpose of the tank people want is to get a top 4(really top 3) pick.

If KP is a franchise player that's not happening unless he gets hurt.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Tank Hard? They've been in the lotto since Nash left. How much harder can one tank?

We can get rid of Melo. Fine. But if we are having more years like that 17 win year and KP is leading us(outside of him being hurt) then is he the dude we should be building around?

Our tanks will(or should) look more like the Pelicans if KP is a franchise player. We should hover around 30 wins a year. In other words more like the 8-12 pick.

They've been in the lotto but never drafted anything in the top 4 (besides last year?) because they keep signing vets.

30 ish wins keeps us outside the top 5 but only by a small amount.

Nope. We had the 9th or 10th(can't remember where Toronto picked) pick this past year. Denver didn't flip. We won 32 games. If KP is a franchise player then by his lonesome we should hover there. We will never get that top 3 pick. You're looking at mid to late lotto. That's the tank. How is that different from what this team was before 2010? Frye, Hill, Gallo...that's the mid round lotto picks.

Yep. I said 30 wins, not around 30 like you said. 30 wins puts us 6th (1 game behind 29th which was 5th worst). Even though 6th is not as good as top 4, it's still significantly better than 12-14, which is where we currently are.

Also, how is this imaginary/projected team different from the 2010 team...You're joking, right? You might not be willing to admit it, but KP is a centerpiece of the team going forward and is easily the best young player we've had to build around since Ewing. That is how it's different from what the team was before 2010.

[Greenie]

They've been in the lotto but never drafted anything in the top 4 (besides last year?) because they keep signing vets.

30 ish wins keeps us outside the top 5 but only by a small amount.

Nope. We had the 9th or 10th(can't remember where Toronto picked) pick this past year. Denver didn't flip. We won 32 games. If KP is a franchise player then by his lonesome we should hover there. We will never get that top 3 pick. You're looking at mid to late lotto. That's the tank. How is that different from what this team was before 2010? Frye, Hill, Gallo...that's the mid round lotto picks.

Yep. I said 30 wins, not around 30 like you said. 30 wins puts us 6th (1 game behind 29th which was 5th worst). Even though 6th is not as good as top 4, it's still significantly better than 12-14, which is where we currently are.

Also, how is this imaginary/projected team different from the 2010 team...You're joking, right? You might not be willing to admit it, but KP is a centerpiece of the team going forward and is easily the best young player we've had to build around since Ewing. That is how it's different from what the team was before 2010.

Around 30 wins is what we were last year.

The "How is it different" comment is strictly speaking on our drafting position(that's why I named players) if we are 30 ish (something like last year) win team.

[3toheadmelo]

Make the playoffs then go hard after Chris Paul. Jrue holiday is the backup plan. By then porzingis is gonna be super fawking good, melo should still be elite, Chris Paul still a top 5 pg. We would be scary good

[ctorres]

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Why wasn't Porzingis invited?

If we hadn't signed Lee and Noah, we would have had the money to sign Wade and he would be spending Christmas right now with his teammates.

[god shammgod]

the clippers are looking better then ever. he's not leaving.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Nope. We had the 9th or 10th(can't remember where Toronto picked) pick this past year. Denver didn't flip. We won 32 games. If KP is a franchise player then by his lonesome we should hover there. We will never get that top 3 pick. You're looking at mid to late lotto. That's the tank. How is that different from what this team was before 2010? Frye, Hill, Gallo...that's the mid round lotto picks.

Yep. I said 30 wins, not around 30 like you said. 30 wins puts us 6th (1 game behind 29th which was 5th worst). Even though 6th is not as good as top 4, it's still significantly better than 12-14, which is where we currently are.

Also, how is this imaginary/projected team different from the 2010 team...You're joking, right? You might not be willing to admit it, but KP is a centerpiece of the team going forward and is easily the best young player we've had to build around since Ewing. That is how it's different from what the team was before 2010.

Around 30 wins is what we were last year.

The "How is it different" comment is strictly speaking on our drafting position(that's why I named players) if we are 30 ish (something like last year) win team.

But around 30 wins is not 30 wins. Drafting 6th gives us a chance of getting a better player than drafting 8 or 9 does. If you don't understand that, which is my point, this really is going nowhere. BTW, drafting 6th in the Hill draft gets us Curry. Drafting 8th in Gallo's draft (which is where "around" 30 games would get us that year) would put us in prime position to draft...Joe Alexander! Yay! The 2005 draft was garbage as is, but 6th puts us only 2 spots away from CP3 making it somewhat easier to trade for him (theoretically speaking).

Even if we were "around" 30 wins, that's still significantly better than being at 40 wins or making the playoffs and being swept in the first round. Why? Because we're putting ourselves in a better position to draft a high level player.

You and I clearly are not seeing eye to eye on this (maybe something is being lost in the messages, IDK), so I'm bowing out. Not sure there's anything else for me to say on this.

[god shammgod]

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Why wasn't Porzingis invited?

If we hadn't signed Lee and Noah, we would have had the money to sign Wade and he would be spending Christmas right now with his teammates.

yeah. had the same thought when i saw that photo. oh well.

[Knicksfan1992]

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Why wasn't Porzingis invited?

If we hadn't signed Lee and Noah, we would have had the money to sign Wade and he would be spending Christmas right now with his teammates.

You don't think the front office knew this though? We couldn't gamble on waiting on Wade if we wanted to be competitive this year. Especially since he took long to make his decision and, in general, the consensus was he would stay in Miami. We had to lock up guys early. Chicago was planning on rebuilding so, they could afford to wait it out since if he ended up spurning them they would just go back to their original plan.

Now you can criticize Phil for not leaving the rebuilding option open which would have given us the flexibility to wait out a Wade negotiation. That's fair game but, I don't think Wade not coming here is as simple as we chose Noah and Lee over him. I'm sure if Phil knew that Wade was 100% sure or even 75% sure he would leave MIA he would have picked Wade over those 2 or at least over one of them.