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Handledatruth wrote:Anyway, about Tatum, looks like he might be channeling this former Dukie. If he ends up anything like that guy then we can pass on a PG.
KnickLeDime wrote:NoLayupRule wrote:KnickLeDime wrote:I share this fear, we desperately need talent 1-3 spot. Best available in any of these areas as I don't think Melo is going to he here next season.
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one could imagine those twin towers being lethal together but it still scares the hell out of me
We need balance, who's going to give those guys the ball?
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Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
N Y K wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Coeur wrote:Def not crazy. Either could be a tough choice. Getting to see them in person would be huge in deciding, they both have similarly high ceilings.
I think fox has a special leadership quality you'd want in a pg. I don't know how you'd know about frank.
Monk is a really tough one to judge also. First you'd have to wonder if you could play him at pg.
frank's jump shot, size, and lockdown defense potential is very intriguing. he really might be the next greek freak imo. i think he has far more potential than fox.
im hesitant to take monk because he doesn't do anything besides scoring. if we draft him we'd have to hope he develops other skills
What is fox missing outside of his jump shot? Size MAYYYYBE... Maybe I'm just too high on his game, but as soon as (if...?) he starts hitting the j with consistency, league is screwed. Kid gets to basket at will, finishes gracefully, fast af, motor for days, legit lock down defense, scrappy, can take over if need be, and looks to make others better. I think I'd go fox over frank at the moment.
I'm biased though. But feeling blessed cause both should be options!
Knicksfan1992 wrote:I know his ceiling isn't as big as the others but Tatum has that "it factor". You can just tell he relishes the big game and he really established himself as the alpha of that Duke team when I didn't think he had that in him early on. He'll be a solid pro maybe even a multiple all star if thinks break right.
earthmansurfer wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:I know his ceiling isn't as big as the others but Tatum has that "it factor". You can just tell he relishes the big game and he really established himself as the alpha of that Duke team when I didn't think he had that in him early on. He'll be a solid pro maybe even a multiple all star if thinks break right.
I rate that "it" factor above ALL else. (To an extent it includes BBall IQ of course)
Athleticism on the level of Fox doesn't come along that often (with a game that is close to match I mean) but a lot of guys have these aspects. When players come along with that IT factor (and they have great game), you have to look hard. Of course you have to project them to compete at the NBA level, I'm not meaning "Rudy" here...
whocares1 wrote:Guano wrote:whocares1 wrote:
It doesn't make sense. When was the last time the Knicks had a guard that completely controlled the tempo of the game ala John Wall or Westbrook or Chris Paul? Phil doesn't want to see that. If the Knicks got 4th pick they're taking Tatum.
damn, you're right. phil is not drafting a pg.
Phil likes veteran point guards that don't need the ball in their hands and can spot shoot. He doesn't like floor general guards. The problem with Phil is that he doesn't realize how the rest of a team really respect a star point guard. Players are more likely to slash/cut move without the ball if they know the guy with the ball in his hands will find them and reward their effort.
Obviously players don't move around when Melo has it. They know that once he has it, it's likely going up as a shot, so even if a high usage point guard has the ball in his hands, the others will move anticipating that the ball will find them in stride. Phil's undervaluing of the point guard is upsetting, but I would still be thrilled with either Jackson or Tatum.
earthmansurfer wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:I know his ceiling isn't as big as the others but Tatum has that "it factor". You can just tell he relishes the big game and he really established himself as the alpha of that Duke team when I didn't think he had that in him early on. He'll be a solid pro maybe even a multiple all star if thinks break right.
I rate that "it" factor above ALL else. (To an extent it includes BBall IQ of course)
Athleticism on the level of Fox doesn't come along that often (with a game that is close to match I mean) but a lot of guys have these aspects. When players come along with that IT factor (and they have great game), you have to look hard. Of course you have to project them to compete at the NBA level, I'm not meaning "Rudy" here...
earthmansurfer wrote:N Y K wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:frank's jump shot, size, and lockdown defense potential is very intriguing. he really might be the next greek freak imo. i think he has far more potential than fox.
im hesitant to take monk because he doesn't do anything besides scoring. if we draft him we'd have to hope he develops other skills
What is fox missing outside of his jump shot? Size MAYYYYBE... Maybe I'm just too high on his game, but as soon as (if...?) he starts hitting the j with consistency, league is screwed. Kid gets to basket at will, finishes gracefully, fast af, motor for days, legit lock down defense, scrappy, can take over if need be, and looks to make others better. I think I'd go fox over frank at the moment.
I'm biased though. But feeling blessed cause both should be options!
Is he more in the mold of a a Kemba Walker who can play great defense? Questionable shot, incredible athleticism, etc.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:N Y K wrote:What is fox missing outside of his jump shot? Size MAYYYYBE... Maybe I'm just too high on his game, but as soon as (if...?) he starts hitting the j with consistency, league is screwed. Kid gets to basket at will, finishes gracefully, fast af, motor for days, legit lock down defense, scrappy, can take over if need be, and looks to make others better. I think I'd go fox over frank at the moment.
I'm biased though. But feeling blessed cause both should be options!
Is he more in the mold of a a Kemba Walker who can play great defense? Questionable shot, incredible athleticism, etc.
fox is more john wall than kemba. fox is 6'4". nice, rangy guard. wall is kind of his ceiling, i'd say. the comparisons to dennis schroeder look on par for the present.
wall was more of a beast at this point though.
3toheadmelo wrote:
i see ur on the bandwagon
welcome aboard
Jeff Van Gully wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:N Y K wrote:What is fox missing outside of his jump shot? Size MAYYYYBE... Maybe I'm just too high on his game, but as soon as (if...?) he starts hitting the j with consistency, league is screwed. Kid gets to basket at will, finishes gracefully, fast af, motor for days, legit lock down defense, scrappy, can take over if need be, and looks to make others better. I think I'd go fox over frank at the moment.
I'm biased though. But feeling blessed cause both should be options!
Is he more in the mold of a a Kemba Walker who can play great defense? Questionable shot, incredible athleticism, etc.
fox is more john wall than kemba. fox is 6'4". nice, rangy guard. wall is kind of his ceiling, i'd say. the comparisons to dennis schroeder look on par for the present.
wall was more of a beast at this point though.
Jeff Van Gully wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:N Y K wrote:What is fox missing outside of his jump shot? Size MAYYYYBE... Maybe I'm just too high on his game, but as soon as (if...?) he starts hitting the j with consistency, league is screwed. Kid gets to basket at will, finishes gracefully, fast af, motor for days, legit lock down defense, scrappy, can take over if need be, and looks to make others better. I think I'd go fox over frank at the moment.
I'm biased though. But feeling blessed cause both should be options!
Is he more in the mold of a a Kemba Walker who can play great defense? Questionable shot, incredible athleticism, etc.
fox is more john wall than kemba. fox is 6'4". nice, rangy guard. wall is kind of his ceiling, i'd say. the comparisons to dennis schroeder look on par for the present.
wall was more of a beast at this point though.
The_Special_One wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:
i see ur on the bandwagon
welcome aboard
The Tatum train is getting packed, man!
PeteW wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:
Is he more in the mold of a a Kemba Walker who can play great defense? Questionable shot, incredible athleticism, etc.
fox is more john wall than kemba. fox is 6'4". nice, rangy guard. wall is kind of his ceiling, i'd say. the comparisons to dennis schroeder look on par for the present.
wall was more of a beast at this point though.
He looks like Schroeder WITH defense.
Meanwhile Josh Jackson looks like Wiggins WITH passing and rebounding.
Hence why I would not pick Tatum over the two. Tatum is ballin but he still 6th on my board.
3toheadmelo wrote:The_Special_One wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:i see ur on the bandwagon
welcome aboard
The Tatum train is getting packed, man!
it really is lol
i was like the only one on it for the past couple of months haha. good to see everyone realizes tatum isn't a scrub. but this also sucks cause his stock is getting much higher now. let's keep losing games and hopefully we get a shot at him
I was hoping Tatum would still be available at 5th/6th. 3toheadmelo wrote:The_Special_One wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:i see ur on the bandwagon
welcome aboard
The Tatum train is getting packed, man!
it really is lol
i was like the only one on it for the past couple of months haha. good to see everyone realizes tatum isn't a scrub. but this also sucks cause his stock is getting much higher now. let's keep losing games and hopefully we get a shot at him
3toheadmelo wrote:
i see ur on the bandwagon
welcome aboard
The_Special_One wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:The_Special_One wrote:
The Tatum train is getting packed, man!
it really is lol
i was like the only one on it for the past couple of months haha. good to see everyone realizes tatum isn't a scrub. but this also sucks cause his stock is getting much higher now. let's keep losing games and hopefully we get a shot at him
Draft Express has him at 4th right now.
