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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#101 » by Fat Kat » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:04 pm

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Gravy wrote:The top ten look all look to have nice talent this year. It will be hard to really know who is BPA until 2-3 years from now. What if Bridges becomes better than Fox or Fox is better than J.Jackson? We did a good job picking KP and Willy so I'll ride with whoever we pick this time and hope we develop him into a good player.

Maybe Fultz and Ball are the two can't misses. Then there's the whole can they play in the triangle stuff that might influence who we take.



The thought of this really bothers me :-?

That may have played a part in us taking KP though, as Mudiay didn't look like a triangle guard and Winslow can't shoot.


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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#102 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:14 pm

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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#104 » by N Y K » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:52 pm

thanks ian for putting that bullsh*t out there in the world
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#105 » by god shammgod » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:09 pm

But there are underlying issues that lead people inside and outside the organization to wonder if Jackson is the right person to lead them forward. He didn't say it directly, but Porzingis gave a voice to some of those concerns last week when he spoke of the confusion in the organization at the moment "from top to bottom."

Part of the confusion stems from the Knicks' offense. Earlier in the season, coach Jeff Hornacek de-emphasized the triangle offense, preferring to play a more open offense that featured pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop options. Since the All-Star break, the Knicks have re-emphasized the triangle, which is Jackson's preferred offense.

Jackson may eventually be able to find players who excel in -- and appreciate -- the triangle. But the majority of current Knicks aren't comfortable in -- and don't care for -- the offense, according to sources.

These players often point to the amount of midrange shots the offense produces (the Knicks lead the league in midrange attempts, per NBA.com) and the tight spacing, which makes it difficult to drive. They also question the amount of contested shots taken (New York ranks in the top 10 in contested two-point field goals, per NBA.com).

Some Knicks also feel that the offense is easy to defend. Opposing players have told the Knicks that they can predict where they'll be when running the triangle, and one Eastern Conference coach last season told friends that defending the triangle was one of the easiest assignments in the league because of that.

The return to the triangle is one reason why several veterans have started to lose faith in Hornacek recently, sources say.

Now, it's certainly possible that Jackson's offense works with a new group of players on the roster, but what happens when Jackson's presidency ends?

It's almost certain that the Knicks' next president won't be implementing the triangle. So will the Knicks' young core (Porzingis, Hernangomez, etc.) be stuck learning a new offense after spending the past three seasons getting used to the triangle?

That's a factor that opposing executives have pointed to when talking about the Knicks' future.



On the free-agency front, the Knicks have to first decide what to do with Rose, who has shown that he can get to the basket at will but has struggled on the defensive end. He has a cap hold of $30 million, so the Knicks will need to renounce his rights this summer before they can make any significant signings.

Based on how they dangled Rose in trade talks at the deadline, it would seem as if they are ready to move on from the former MVP. But according to league sources familiar with the matter, the Knicks haven't ruled out the possibility of re-signing Rose at this point.

There are members of the organization who also see Jrue Holiday and Jeff Teague as free agent targets. At the deadline, some discussed the idea of revisiting trade talks for Minnesota's Ricky Rubio as well.


If the dysfunction continues, no one should be surprised if Porzingis and Hernangomez leave the franchise in free agency. That, of course, would be the biggest black eye of Jackson's presidency.

Jackson and the Knicks have a mutual option after this season, and owner James Dolan has said that he will honor the final two years of Jackson's contract. But some around Dolan had been pushing him to consider making a change in recent months, according to sources.
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#106 » by battabing10 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:08 pm

N Y K wrote:thanks ian for putting that bullsh*t out there in the world


lol that's a whole bunch of noise he just wrote.
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#107 » by Hemispheres » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:19 pm

Other media members are getting the Ass-hola silent treatment from Phil and are now writing like him. It's pretty funny.
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#108 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:24 pm

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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#109 » by Rasho Brezec » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:27 pm

What is this tomfoolery? Everything is a position of need. This team is dogsh*t.
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#110 » by Sark » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:44 pm

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Maybe in 2020. Willy signed a 4 year deal. KP is restricted till 2022 I believe.

Not sure where you're going with this.
Greenie: Disagree. I think Tatum is going to be better than KP. I don't know about DSjr.

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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#111 » by Sark » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:49 pm

god shammgod wrote:
But there are underlying issues that lead people inside and outside the organization to wonder if Jackson is the right person to lead them forward. He didn't say it directly, but Porzingis gave a voice to some of those concerns last week when he spoke of the confusion in the organization at the moment "from top to bottom."

Part of the confusion stems from the Knicks' offense. Earlier in the season, coach Jeff Hornacek de-emphasized the triangle offense, preferring to play a more open offense that featured pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop options. Since the All-Star break, the Knicks have re-emphasized the triangle, which is Jackson's preferred offense.

Jackson may eventually be able to find players who excel in -- and appreciate -- the triangle. But the majority of current Knicks aren't comfortable in -- and don't care for -- the offense, according to sources.

These players often point to the amount of midrange shots the offense produces (the Knicks lead the league in midrange attempts, per NBA.com) and the tight spacing, which makes it difficult to drive. They also question the amount of contested shots taken (New York ranks in the top 10 in contested two-point field goals, per NBA.com).

Some Knicks also feel that the offense is easy to defend. Opposing players have told the Knicks that they can predict where they'll be when running the triangle, and one Eastern Conference coach last season told friends that defending the triangle was one of the easiest assignments in the league because of that.

The return to the triangle is one reason why several veterans have started to lose faith in Hornacek recently, sources say.

Now, it's certainly possible that Jackson's offense works with a new group of players on the roster, but what happens when Jackson's presidency ends?

It's almost certain that the Knicks' next president won't be implementing the triangle. So will the Knicks' young core (Porzingis, Hernangomez, etc.) be stuck learning a new offense after spending the past three seasons getting used to the triangle?

That's a factor that opposing executives have pointed to when talking about the Knicks' future.



On the free-agency front, the Knicks have to first decide what to do with Rose, who has shown that he can get to the basket at will but has struggled on the defensive end. He has a cap hold of $30 million, so the Knicks will need to renounce his rights this summer before they can make any significant signings.

Based on how they dangled Rose in trade talks at the deadline, it would seem as if they are ready to move on from the former MVP. But according to league sources familiar with the matter, the Knicks haven't ruled out the possibility of re-signing Rose at this point.

There are members of the organization who also see Jrue Holiday and Jeff Teague as free agent targets. At the deadline, some discussed the idea of revisiting trade talks for Minnesota's Ricky Rubio as well.


If the dysfunction continues, no one should be surprised if Porzingis and Hernangomez leave the franchise in free agency. That, of course, would be the biggest black eye of Jackson's presidency.

Jackson and the Knicks have a mutual option after this season, and owner James Dolan has said that he will honor the final two years of Jackson's contract. But some around Dolan had been pushing him to consider making a change in recent months, according to sources.



You left out a good paragraph.
The biggest issue surrounding the Knicks this summer and going forward is Carmelo Anthony's future with the club. The Knicks shopped Anthony in trade talks before the deadline and, barring an unforeseen change of course, remain committed to moving Anthony in the offseason, per sources.
Greenie: Disagree. I think Tatum is going to be better than KP. I don't know about DSjr.

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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#112 » by sushibear » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:28 am

i like josh jackson but man he reminds me of andrew wiggins so much. i dont know if he will be an instant impact to the team. hell of a talent but i dont know man. if we get top 5 pick they should interview these kids before making a selection. see where their mind is at and how they view the game. read between the line sort of thing.
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#113 » by sims » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:51 am

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if philly ends up with their pick and the lakers', monk won't be there. depending on where philly picks themselves they might go with monk.


am i the only one who thinks that monk is basically a rich man's chasson randle?


You're disrespecting Monk with that comparison. He's probably a rich man's J.R Smith.


JR has legit size for an nba wing though. no disrespect to monk but the guy is a 6'3" (in shoes) outside shooter. a guy like that is probably best suited being an instant offense off the bench kind of guy, not a full-time lead guard. we need to come away from this draft with a cornerstone-type player - i just don't see it in monk.
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#114 » by April madness » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:46 am

god shammgod wrote:
But there are underlying issues that lead people inside and outside the organization to wonder if Jackson is the right person to lead them forward. He didn't say it directly, but Porzingis gave a voice to some of those concerns last week when he spoke of the confusion in the organization at the moment "from top to bottom."

Part of the confusion stems from the Knicks' offense. Earlier in the season, coach Jeff Hornacek de-emphasized the triangle offense, preferring to play a more open offense that featured pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop options. Since the All-Star break, the Knicks have re-emphasized the triangle, which is Jackson's preferred offense.

Jackson may eventually be able to find players who excel in -- and appreciate -- the triangle. But the majority of current Knicks aren't comfortable in -- and don't care for -- the offense, according to sources.

These players often point to the amount of midrange shots the offense produces (the Knicks lead the league in midrange attempts, per NBA.com) and the tight spacing, which makes it difficult to drive. They also question the amount of contested shots taken (New York ranks in the top 10 in contested two-point field goals, per NBA.com).

Some Knicks also feel that the offense is easy to defend. Opposing players have told the Knicks that they can predict where they'll be when running the triangle, and one Eastern Conference coach last season told friends that defending the triangle was one of the easiest assignments in the league because of that.

The return to the triangle is one reason why several veterans have started to lose faith in Hornacek recently, sources say.

Now, it's certainly possible that Jackson's offense works with a new group of players on the roster, but what happens when Jackson's presidency ends?

It's almost certain that the Knicks' next president won't be implementing the triangle. So will the Knicks' young core (Porzingis, Hernangomez, etc.) be stuck learning a new offense after spending the past three seasons getting used to the triangle?

That's a factor that opposing executives have pointed to when talking about the Knicks' future.



On the free-agency front, the Knicks have to first decide what to do with Rose, who has shown that he can get to the basket at will but has struggled on the defensive end. He has a cap hold of $30 million, so the Knicks will need to renounce his rights this summer before they can make any significant signings.

Based on how they dangled Rose in trade talks at the deadline, it would seem as if they are ready to move on from the former MVP. But according to league sources familiar with the matter, the Knicks haven't ruled out the possibility of re-signing Rose at this point.

There are members of the organization who also see Jrue Holiday and Jeff Teague as free agent targets. At the deadline, some discussed the idea of revisiting trade talks for Minnesota's Ricky Rubio as well.


If the dysfunction continues, no one should be surprised if Porzingis and Hernangomez leave the franchise in free agency. That, of course, would be the biggest black eye of Jackson's presidency.

Jackson and the Knicks have a mutual option after this season, and owner James Dolan has said that he will honor the final two years of Jackson's contract. But some around Dolan had been pushing him to consider making a change in recent months, according to sources.

Oh now KP wasn't talking coaching vs team but Jackson? Why not Dolan?
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Post#115 » by FKF » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:27 pm

April madness wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
But there are underlying issues that lead people inside and outside the organization to wonder if Jackson is the right person to lead them forward. He didn't say it directly, but Porzingis gave a voice to some of those concerns last week when he spoke of the confusion in the organization at the moment "from top to bottom."

Part of the confusion stems from the Knicks' offense. Earlier in the season, coach Jeff Hornacek de-emphasized the triangle offense, preferring to play a more open offense that featured pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop options. Since the All-Star break, the Knicks have re-emphasized the triangle, which is Jackson's preferred offense.

Jackson may eventually be able to find players who excel in -- and appreciate -- the triangle. But the majority of current Knicks aren't comfortable in -- and don't care for -- the offense, according to sources.

These players often point to the amount of midrange shots the offense produces (the Knicks lead the league in midrange attempts, per NBA.com) and the tight spacing, which makes it difficult to drive. They also question the amount of contested shots taken (New York ranks in the top 10 in contested two-point field goals, per NBA.com).

Some Knicks also feel that the offense is easy to defend. Opposing players have told the Knicks that they can predict where they'll be when running the triangle, and one Eastern Conference coach last season told friends that defending the triangle was one of the easiest assignments in the league because of that.

The return to the triangle is one reason why several veterans have started to lose faith in Hornacek recently, sources say.

Now, it's certainly possible that Jackson's offense works with a new group of players on the roster, but what happens when Jackson's presidency ends?

It's almost certain that the Knicks' next president won't be implementing the triangle. So will the Knicks' young core (Porzingis, Hernangomez, etc.) be stuck learning a new offense after spending the past three seasons getting used to the triangle?

That's a factor that opposing executives have pointed to when talking about the Knicks' future.



On the free-agency front, the Knicks have to first decide what to do with Rose, who has shown that he can get to the basket at will but has struggled on the defensive end. He has a cap hold of $30 million, so the Knicks will need to renounce his rights this summer before they can make any significant signings.

Based on how they dangled Rose in trade talks at the deadline, it would seem as if they are ready to move on from the former MVP. But according to league sources familiar with the matter, the Knicks haven't ruled out the possibility of re-signing Rose at this point.

There are members of the organization who also see Jrue Holiday and Jeff Teague as free agent targets. At the deadline, some discussed the idea of revisiting trade talks for Minnesota's Ricky Rubio as well.


If the dysfunction continues, no one should be surprised if Porzingis and Hernangomez leave the franchise in free agency. That, of course, would be the biggest black eye of Jackson's presidency.

Jackson and the Knicks have a mutual option after this season, and owner James Dolan has said that he will honor the final two years of Jackson's contract. But some around Dolan had been pushing him to consider making a change in recent months, according to sources.

Oh now KP wasn't talking coaching vs team but Jackson? Why not Dolan?


Exactly

LOL at those who forget that the top of the organization is Dolan.
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#116 » by April madness » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:37 pm

FKF wrote:
April madness wrote:
god shammgod wrote:




Oh now KP wasn't talking coaching vs team but Jackson? Why not Dolan?


Exactly

LOL at those who forget that the top of the organization is Dolan.

Yes. Although in that specific interview Kristaps IMO wasn't thinking as broadly and was talking about team, including coaching. I am not sure he meant the management at all, the author of tthe article was reaching a little too far trying to interpret what KP could have meant.
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Post#117 » by god shammgod » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:35 pm

porzingis hates phil and you'll like it
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Post#118 » by dakomish23 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:49 pm

god shammgod wrote:porzingis hates phil and you'll like it


I wonder what the vets are telling this kid about the schemes and all the drama created by the diva guiding the franchise.
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Post#119 » by DaGawd » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:58 pm

sushibear wrote:i like josh jackson but man he reminds me of andrew wiggins so much. i dont know if he will be an instant impact to the team. hell of a talent but i dont know man. if we get top 5 pick they should interview these kids before making a selection. see where their mind is at and how they view the game. read between the line sort of thing.

Josh Jackson really plays nothing like Andrew Wiggins. The only thing they have in common is being athletic wings who both went to Kansas. Stops there tho. Jackson is a better defender already and plays smarter on the offensive end than Wiggins
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Re: Should the Knicks Draft by position of need? 

Post#120 » by April madness » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:26 pm

god shammgod wrote:porzingis hates phil and you'll like it

He hates everyone. Well, maybe his family is safe. :evil:

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