Greenie wrote: FKF wrote:
Your problem is you're comparing Melo to LeBron.
LeBron also had Irving and Love on the same team. Both players are better than anyone we placed next to Melo.
The year JR got suspended he was the sixth man of the year and our second scorer. That hurt us. That's reality.
Iman is an afterthought right now to me.
And yet LeBron have had such supporting cast thanks to himself. No luck.
Because he always made decisions in free agency and never pushed either Miami or Cleveland to trade half the team for him. Even better, he made sure either team got more talent each summer he joined, and kept their assets.
You keep blaming lack of supporting cast for Melo, but he pushed himself into that situation. There's no one else to blame but himself. He did not want the Knicks, he wanted the most money in the strong NY market, even if it meant to play for the Nets.
The Knicks options were therefore a: overpay and take a gamble; or b: pass on Melo and let him be the man at Barclays Center.
Knicks should have picked b but in this business, Dolan didn't want to see the Nets get good ticket sales in an AEG building.
Sports wise, Melo made sense only with a strong cast.
They had to build the oldest cast in the league under smaller deals to get a shot in 2013. Good enough to beat Boston, but that team was just too old to compete versus Indiana or Miami or the West.
Since then they have had a young squad but in either time, because of that trade, Knicks have always had limited options to surround Melo.
This is what kills me when people like you give Melo excuses. Dude deserve no excuse. He can whine all
he want in the media, he controlled our franchise at the top, and is responsible for every minute of those past six years. He couldn't get along with MDA the way Harden does. Now he can whine all he wants about Phil, if he doesn't push for the Denver trade, and just signs here as a FA, Donnie Walsh would probably still be president.
I don't understand your first sentence.
If you're talking LeBron making sure he went to stacked teams and Melo didn't that would be false. People like to forget the big elephant in the room that is STAT. STAT was the best PF in the game the year we traded for Melo. We also got Billups back and had some cash to spend that summer heading into the lockout.
The Knicks front office played their hand wrong letting Donnie pick up Billups option, not extending him and then letting Grunnie use the amnesty on him after the lockout ended to trade for Chandler was huge moving forward.
STAT, Melo and Tyson was supposed to be our big 3. Do you deny this? That's a loaded team on paper. One problem. STAT got hurt and stayed hurt after year 1. There went our big 3. Then it was just Melo and Tyson. Carrying MLE guys. That's equivalent to Wade going down year 1 and never really recovering during the LeBron years in Miami and the Heat being stuck with him.
LeBron forced Cleveland to trade for Love and gave up Wiggins to do so. That wasn't smart looking back. It wasn't smart at all.
Melo didn't make the trade. The Knicks did. Instead of being worried about WTF the Nets could get they should have focused on their own damn team. That right there speaks volumes on the actual state of this franchise. Melo forced nothing. The Knicks pulled the trigger.
Any star player makes sense with a strong cast when the goal is to compete for rings. The Knicks went with Tyson and a patchwork back-court. As much as I love Tyson that was the wrong move especially when it pulled Billups away from us with no apparent replacement. We walked into that season with Tony Douglas as our starting PG. The Knicks have always treated the PG position like the ugly step child....even before Melo. Just think, we brought in D'Antoni as coach and the big time PG we gave him was ...CHRIS DUHON!
You're right about 2013. However, that team gave the Knicks a blueprint and the Knicks ignored it.
The Knicks didn't have limited options because of Melo. This is where common sense has to come into play. Our highest paid player wasn't healthy. It hindered us. Don't you think if STAT could have stayed healthy we would have been a better team? Now, how is any if that Melo's fault?
The rest of your post is plain nonsense because you're witch hunting. Melo forced nothing. The Knicks made the trade. Melo wanted his money and so does everyone else in the world. Get over that. The Knicks knew the cost and decided to pay it. Melo has never controlled a damn thing here. Dolan owns the team. Not Melo.
Donnie was already on the hot seat along with the coach he chose in Mike D'Antoni. Those dudes where here for 3 years before Melo was even an option and did absolutely nothing towards winning. They put all their eggs in the LeBron James basket and lost. They panicked and Maxed STAT which vaulted this team into win now mode. All of what you saw before Phil got here were the remnants of those decisions. It's why they pulled that trigger on that trade. These are the same crazies that traded our current lottery pick in Hill for TMAC all to clear space for Bron and another star without any indication he would actually sign here. These were the KNICKS and their choices.
Stop crucifying one player for years of franchise ineptitude, because at the end of the day that's what is happening. This ain't about Melo. It's about the Knicks. All my life they have been a poor franchise. They had a spurt with Ewing that ended with nothing. That's it. The franchise is a problem and that problem pre-dates Carmelo Anthony's entire life. Dude is 32...
Sure Dolan owns the team, but believe me, agents, managements and players can put pressure on ownership in order to get their deals done. My main problem in your post, is you always make it seem Melo's not responsible for anything. Which is just untrue, every all star in this league has responsibilities.
Some players, like LeBron, Duncan, Nowitzki have always looked team first, themselves second, and as a result, they won a ring or more, and that's just not Melo's case.
Was LeBron stupid to trade Wiggins ? He's made two NBA Finals appearance since, including a championship since, Wiggins was not a fit. At least, the Cavs can guard the perimeter here.
I fully agree the Knicks were too stupid to care about the Nets. Remember when Prokhorov had BKN Nets billboards in Manhattan? Dolan saw competition coming while he shoulda understood the Knicks are bigger than this. Dolan didn't understand what the Knicks meant to the city. Maybe he does now, but the Oakley story proves otherwise.
I also fully agree the Knicks should not have traded Billups for Tyson. Billups was the guy who elevated Melo's game and results in Denver, we should have tried one full year with him. Melo-Amare-Tyson was not a good big three, as it was unbalanced. Can't make a big three without a guard.
I try not make it a Melo thing, as the Knicks are bigger than him, but the fact is the team has retooled multiple times around him, using different players, coaches, managements, and Melo led this team to nowhere.
He is nowhere close to achieve what Ewing did. The Knicks have actually been successful with Ewing, although they don't have rings to show, they do have multiple banners up high in the Garden, and that means something. This league is not title or bust. Conference championship, division banners, or play-off series win, mean something.
I remember those years, hell Melo won't even match what Houston and Sprewell did on that great 1999 run. i thought these guys back then could accept management decisions for the benefit of the team, that Melo doesn't.
You can blame management for poor rades and moves, including for PGs, but they/Melo were saved by LInsanity and they shoulda taken advantage of it, instead Melo called Jeremy's contract "ridiculous", and management let him go to make him happy. For what ? you said best, nothing. Still smh.