Draft Thread 5th Ed. - (Currently T-6th, 1back of 5th, 5 back of 3rd)

Post #541 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:35 am

ok fellas I got a pretty cool scenario right here.

Knicks end with the 4th worst record. The lottery shacks out as follows:

Suns
Knicks
Lakers
Celtics
Magic
Sixers
Sacramento
Sacramento (from Pelicans)

Suns pick fultz because they believe he is the best
Knicks now get a call from magic wanting Ball badly (knicks agree to move down a spot with the following deal. #2 pick and Melo for Russell, Randle, and Deng (salary filler). Knicks move Russell to Sacramento because the kings feel more comfortable with him over the remaining guards for the 8 pick.

Draft now shakes out like this

Suns - Fultz
Lakers (from Knicks) - Ball
Knicks (from Lakers) - Josh Jackson
Celtics - Tatum
Magic - Dennis Smith Jr
Sixers - De'Aaron Fox
Sacramento - Jonathan Isaac
Knicks (from Sacramento) - Frank Ntilikina

Lakers end up with a core of Ball, Ingram, and Melo to regain the flair in LA
Kings end up with Russell, Isaac, and WCS for there young core
Knicks end up with Josh Jackson and Frank Ntilikina arguably the two highest upside two way players in the draft.

Knicks defense would be so nice, the length and ability to guard multiple positions.

Could you imagine a lineup of Frank, Holiday, Jackson, Randle and KP on the floor with there defense and activity?

I see the enamoring with Ball, but being able to grab two lottery picks that both would change the face of this defense.

Knicks lineup

Frank/Baker (or FA backup guard
Lee/Holiday
Jackson/LT
Randle/KOQ
KP/WHG

the depth of that team and defensive ability and if Frank and JJ offensive game come along that team would be elite down the road.

robillionaire · Post #542 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:36 am

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
robillionaire wrote:Weird to think that such a meaningless game could make the difference in our draft position and could potentially change the course of the franchise for years to come

Yep but absolutely true. The Knicks need to put their manhood on ice and just lose. However and whichever way possible. LOSE. There is no moral victory that can be had at this point by winning any games that will matter in the big picture. No one is going to remember or care if they close another miserable season on a high note.

how do you convince maurice ndour/ron baker/marshall plumlee/chasson randle/justin holiday to play to lose?

just tell them to go out there and play the game, they are bad enough to lose without playing to lose

robillionaire · Post #543 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:37 am

mpharris36 wrote:ok fellas I got a pretty cool scenario right here.

Knicks end with the 4th worst record. The lottery shacks out as follows:

Suns
Knicks
Lakers
Celtics
Magic
Sixers
Sacramento
Sacramento (from Pelicans)

Suns pick fultz because they believe he is the best
Knicks now get a call from magic wanting Ball badly (knicks agree to move down a spot with the following deal. #2 pick and Melo for Russell, Randle, and Deng (salary filler). Knicks move Russell to Sacramento because the kings feel more comfortable with him over the remaining guards for the 8 pick.

Draft now shakes out like this

Suns - Fultz
Lakers (from Knicks) - Ball
Knicks (from Lakers) - Josh Jackson
Celtics - Tatum
Magic - Dennis Smith Jr
Sixers - De'Aaron Fox
Sacramento - Jonathan Isaac
Knicks (from Sacramento) - Frank Ntilikina

Lakers end up with a core of Ball, Ingram, and Melo to regain the flair in LA
Kings end up with Russell, Isaac, and WCS for there young core
Knicks end up with Josh Jackson and Frank Ntilikina arguably the two highest upside two way players in the draft.

Knicks defense would be so nice, the length and ability to guard multiple positions.

Could you imagine a lineup of Frank, Holiday, Jackson, Randle and KP on the floor with there defense and activity?

I see the enamoring with Ball, but being able to grab two lottery picks that both would change the face of this defense.

Knicks lineup

Frank/Baker (or FA backup guard
Lee/Holiday
Jackson/LT
Randle/KOQ
KP/WHG

the depth of that team and defensive ability and if Frank and JJ offensive game come along that team would be elite down the road.

you have a wild imagination but it's an entertaining scenario at least

Post #544 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:41 am

robillionaire wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:ok fellas I got a pretty cool scenario right here.

Knicks end with the 4th worst record. The lottery shacks out as follows:

Suns
Knicks
Lakers
Celtics
Magic
Sixers
Sacramento
Sacramento (from Pelicans)

Suns pick fultz because they believe he is the best
Knicks now get a call from magic wanting Ball badly (knicks agree to move down a spot with the following deal. #2 pick and Melo for Russell, Randle, and Deng (salary filler). Knicks move Russell to Sacramento because the kings feel more comfortable with him over the remaining guards for the 8 pick.

Draft now shakes out like this

Suns - Fultz
Lakers (from Knicks) - Ball
Knicks (from Lakers) - Josh Jackson
Celtics - Tatum
Magic - Dennis Smith Jr
Sixers - De'Aaron Fox
Sacramento - Jonathan Isaac
Knicks (from Sacramento) - Frank Ntilikina

Lakers end up with a core of Ball, Ingram, and Melo to regain the flair in LA
Kings end up with Russell, Isaac, and WCS for there young core
Knicks end up with Josh Jackson and Frank Ntilikina arguably the two highest upside two way players in the draft.

Knicks defense would be so nice, the length and ability to guard multiple positions.

Could you imagine a lineup of Frank, Holiday, Jackson, Randle and KP on the floor with there defense and activity?

I see the enamoring with Ball, but being able to grab two lottery picks that both would change the face of this defense.

Knicks lineup

Frank/Baker (or FA backup guard
Lee/Holiday
Jackson/LT
Randle/KOQ
KP/WHG

the depth of that team and defensive ability and if Frank and JJ offensive game come along that team would be elite down the road.

you have a wild imagination but it's an entertaining scenario at least

carmelo has committed suicide?

randle is trash.

this post is nuts.

Fury · Post #545 » by **Fury** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:41 am

mpharris36 wrote:ok fellas I got a pretty cool scenario right here.

Knicks end with the 4th worst record. The lottery shacks out as follows:

Suns
Knicks
Lakers
Celtics
Magic
Sixers
Sacramento
Sacramento (from Pelicans)

Suns pick fultz because they believe he is the best
Knicks now get a call from magic wanting Ball badly (knicks agree to move down a spot with the following deal. #2 pick and Melo for Russell, Randle, and Deng (salary filler). Knicks move Russell to Sacramento because the kings feel more comfortable with him over the remaining guards for the 8 pick.

Draft now shakes out like this

Suns - Fultz
Lakers (from Knicks) - Ball
Knicks (from Lakers) - Josh Jackson
Celtics - Tatum
Magic - Dennis Smith Jr
Sixers - De'Aaron Fox
Sacramento - Jonathan Isaac
Knicks (from Sacramento) - Frank Ntilikina

Lakers end up with a core of Ball, Ingram, and Melo to regain the flair in LA
Kings end up with Russell, Isaac, and WCS for there young core
Knicks end up with Josh Jackson and Frank Ntilikina arguably the two highest upside two way players in the draft.

Knicks defense would be so nice, the length and ability to guard multiple positions.

Could you imagine a lineup of Frank, Holiday, Jackson, Randle and KP on the floor with there defense and activity?

I see the enamoring with Ball, but being able to grab two lottery picks that both would change the face of this defense.

Knicks lineup

Frank/Baker (or FA backup guard
Lee/Holiday
Jackson/LT
Randle/KOQ
KP/WHG

the depth of that team and defensive ability and if Frank and JJ offensive game come along that team would be elite down the road.

Very intriguing. Not sure I'd do it cause I think Ball is crazy, but def would consider this.

Post #546 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:41 am

robillionaire wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Yep but absolutely true. The Knicks need to put their manhood on ice and just lose. However and whichever way possible. LOSE. There is no moral victory that can be had at this point by winning any games that will matter in the big picture. No one is going to remember or care if they close another miserable season on a high note.

how do you convince maurice ndour/ron baker/marshall plumlee/chasson randle/justin holiday to play to lose?

just tell them to go out there and play the game, they are bad enough to lose without playing to lose

and if they don't?

Post #547 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:42 am

Randle is not trash, he actually is the perfect type of PF you want next to KP. A tough physical active PF that is a great rebounder.

Melo is in the lakers trade bro..

robillionaire · Post #548 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:44 am

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
how do you convince maurice ndour/ron baker/marshall plumlee/chasson randle/justin holiday to play to lose?

just tell them to go out there and play the game, they are bad enough to lose without playing to lose

and if they don't?

Then we put forth our best effort to put a losing team out there and by some miracle they just weren't bad enough and we have no regrets. But more than likely they lose every game and on top of that we find out if they are just a bunch of d-leaguers or if anybody in the lot is worth keeping around. So it's win-win

robillionaire · Post #549 » by **robillionaire** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:46 am

Of course I'd add a heavy dose of Sasha into the mix just to make sure.

RHODEY · Post #550 » by **RHODEY** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:46 am

Knickerbock wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Knickerbock wrote:

Phil Jackson's smartest decision besides drafting Porzingis of course...

Would be to...

secretly tell Hornacek to LOSE all of the remaining games as discrete as possible..

Mess with rotations.. pull guys who are feeling it.. Release Ndour and Plumlee...

Wise yes , smart I dunno , a mentally handicapped person should see the obvious benefits to tanking right now.

Yes..

But the key is teams can not blatantly lose games..

This is why Philip and Horny need to talk and make a Losing Master Plan..

Tell that to Magic Johnson...

Post #551 » by **dakomish23** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:25 am

Knickerbock wrote:Should the Knicks management "tank" right off the bat next year?

Meaning:
Trade our vets this summer for future draft picks
Allow the young guys more playing time in order to develop
Finish the season with best chance at top draft pick

That's an easy yes. And it's what they should of done this year. You don't call it tanking. You make the DRose deal which opened up 70 mil in cap space. You trade for guys on expiring deals and or sign guys to 1 year deals. You keep your flexibility for when the right moment comes. They didn't do it and now we have 20-23 mil in cap space.

The best thing front office can do is start WHG and whomever they draft from day one and make their development the #1 priority. Some folks will tell you our guys are developing just fine. I don't buy it. If this is where are our guys are at right now, I could only imagine where they would of been if we had been giving them all the time and all the touches from preseason.

That's my opinion. I think Melo window has closed whether he's here next year or not. That's not blaming him for it. They just couldn't get it done via FA and trades. So let's take our shot in the next couple of drafts. Save the cap space or use it to gain assets. Maybe churn a few roster spots and see if you can find a keeper or two.

I doubt they do it. They swung for the fences and won't break 35 wins. I bet they double down on this before they go the route I hope they will. Only way I see us getting out of this hole is to get comfort at the bottom for a few years.

Post #552 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:27 am

This tank is the best run the Knicks have been on since the 99 finals

Post #553 » by **dakomish23** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:29 am

Capn'O wrote:
Knickerbock wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
That's how the alleged Rose trade was presented by many reporters for Minny's angle. I did not and do not believe it but would love to be wrong.

Well if we did get rubio... chances are the team chemistry would have been better.. and we would not be talking about potentially landing a top 3 draft pick...

Sure. I'm talking about trading a TPE and maybe some smaller parts for him in the offseason. If Minny is looking for a salary dump to build around Dunn we can help with that.

EDIT: My point anyway is that I don't think that's what they are/were looking for.

I think it's been hashed out the many many many ways Rubio would be great for everyone on this crap roster. I'd love to see it just so we finally have a PG who can make a quick decision on a PnR and hit KP in his shooters pocket and catch WHG for finishes around the rim. It seems so basic to wish such things in today's NBA but that's how desperate I am for basic PG play. And Rubio would be way above basic.

2010 · Post #554 » by **2010** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:38 am

mpharris36 wrote:ok fellas I got a pretty cool scenario right here.

Knicks end with the 4th worst record. The lottery shacks out as follows:

Suns
Knicks
Lakers
Celtics
Magic
Sixers
Sacramento
Sacramento (from Pelicans)

Suns pick fultz because they believe he is the best
Knicks now get a call from magic wanting Ball badly (knicks agree to move down a spot with the following deal. #2 pick and Melo for Russell, Randle, and Deng (salary filler). Knicks move Russell to Sacramento because the kings feel more comfortable with him over the remaining guards for the 8 pick.

Draft now shakes out like this

Suns - Fultz
Lakers (from Knicks) - Ball
Knicks (from Lakers) - Josh Jackson
Celtics - Tatum
Magic - Dennis Smith Jr
Sixers - De'Aaron Fox
Sacramento - Jonathan Isaac
Knicks (from Sacramento) - Frank Ntilikina

Lakers end up with a core of Ball, Ingram, and Melo to regain the flair in LA
Kings end up with Russell, Isaac, and WCS for there young core
Knicks end up with Josh Jackson and Frank Ntilikina arguably the two highest upside two way players in the draft.

Knicks defense would be so nice, the length and ability to guard multiple positions.

Could you imagine a lineup of Frank, Holiday, Jackson, Randle and KP on the floor with there defense and activity?

I see the enamoring with Ball, but being able to grab two lottery picks that both would change the face of this defense.

Knicks lineup

Frank/Baker (or FA backup guard
Lee/Holiday
Jackson/LT
Randle/KOQ
KP/WHG

the depth of that team and defensive ability and if Frank and JJ offensive game come along that team would be elite down the road.

You put some good thought into this but I'd give it a hard look then pass.

* No way if I got the #2 pick that I am passing on an opportunity to pair Ball with KP. You don't get too cute.
* Randle is not a player I favor for my frontcourt. I like long forwards who can shotblock and play defense

Post #555 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:51 am

2010 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:ok fellas I got a pretty cool scenario right here.

Knicks end with the 4th worst record. The lottery shacks out as follows:

Suns
Knicks
Lakers
Celtics
Magic
Sixers
Sacramento
Sacramento (from Pelicans)

Suns pick fultz because they believe he is the best
Knicks now get a call from magic wanting Ball badly (knicks agree to move down a spot with the following deal. #2 pick and Melo for Russell, Randle, and Deng (salary filler). Knicks move Russell to Sacramento because the kings feel more comfortable with him over the remaining guards for the 8 pick.

Draft now shakes out like this

Suns - Fultz
Lakers (from Knicks) - Ball
Knicks (from Lakers) - Josh Jackson
Celtics - Tatum
Magic - Dennis Smith Jr
Sixers - De'Aaron Fox
Sacramento - Jonathan Isaac
Knicks (from Sacramento) - Frank Ntilikina

Lakers end up with a core of Ball, Ingram, and Melo to regain the flair in LA
Kings end up with Russell, Isaac, and WCS for there young core
Knicks end up with Josh Jackson and Frank Ntilikina arguably the two highest upside two way players in the draft.

Knicks defense would be so nice, the length and ability to guard multiple positions.

Could you imagine a lineup of Frank, Holiday, Jackson, Randle and KP on the floor with there defense and activity?

I see the enamoring with Ball, but being able to grab two lottery picks that both would change the face of this defense.

Knicks lineup

Frank/Baker (or FA backup guard
Lee/Holiday
Jackson/LT
Randle/KOQ
KP/WHG

the depth of that team and defensive ability and if Frank and JJ offensive game come along that team would be elite down the road.

You put some good thought into this but I'd give it a hard look then pass.

* No way if I got the #2 pick that I am passing on an opportunity to pair Ball with KP. You don't get too cute.
* Randle is not a player I favor for my frontcourt. I like long forwards who can shotblock and play defense

well yeah I was looking for an alternative way to grab two lottery picks. Ball would be dynamic with KP no doubt. But I love me some Josh Jackson. Jackson as so much defensive potential and if Frank is highly rated by gaines and our scouts it would be at least something to consider. Only if you consider frank really high upside. I just love the idea off adding two long two way players to change the franchise to a defensive team with Frank/JJ/KP we would lead the league in blocks.

spree8 · Post #556 » by **spree8** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:32 am

mpharris36 wrote:ok fellas I got a pretty cool scenario right here.

Knicks end with the 4th worst record. The lottery shacks out as follows:

Suns
Knicks
Lakers
Celtics
Magic
Sixers
Sacramento
Sacramento (from Pelicans)

Suns pick fultz because they believe he is the best
Knicks now get a call from magic wanting Ball badly (knicks agree to move down a spot with the following deal. #2 pick and Melo for Russell, Randle, and Deng (salary filler). Knicks move Russell to Sacramento because the kings feel more comfortable with him over the remaining guards for the 8 pick.

Draft now shakes out like this

Suns - Fultz
Lakers (from Knicks) - Ball
Knicks (from Lakers) - Josh Jackson
Celtics - Tatum
Magic - Dennis Smith Jr
Sixers - De'Aaron Fox
Sacramento - Jonathan Isaac
Knicks (from Sacramento) - Frank Ntilikina

Lakers end up with a core of Ball, Ingram, and Melo to regain the flair in LA
Kings end up with Russell, Isaac, and WCS for there young core
Knicks end up with Josh Jackson and Frank Ntilikina arguably the two highest upside two way players in the draft.

Knicks defense would be so nice, the length and ability to guard multiple positions.

Could you imagine a lineup of Frank, Holiday, Jackson, Randle and KP on the floor with there defense and activity?

I see the enamoring with Ball, but being able to grab two lottery picks that both would change the face of this defense.

Knicks lineup

Frank/Baker (or FA backup guard
Lee/Holiday
Jackson/LT
Randle/KOQ
KP/WHG

the depth of that team and defensive ability and if Frank and JJ offensive game come along that team would be elite down the road.

I've thought about a scenario like this when I started my 2k season w/ Ball & KP

...like what the LAL would give up if we picked before them in the top 3.

It sounds crazy to pass on if it played out like this, because Jax and Frank are two top 5 talents imo, but I'm that high on Ball and his fit with KP.

I'd prob have a nervous breakdown making that decision if I'm Phil.

whocares1 · Post #557 » by **whocares1** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:37 am

So if we're back to being realistic. If the Knicks do end up with the second pick, and Fultz is off the board then who would Phil pick? Ball or Jackson?

Post #558 » by **dakomish23** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:47 am

whocares1 wrote:So if we're back to being realistic. If the Knicks do end up with the second pick, and Fultz is off the board then who would Phil pick? Ball or Jackson?

You have to go Ball IMO but man would Jackson be absolutely fantastic next to KP for the next decade.

Bklyn&company · Post #559 » by **Bklyn&company** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:10 am

mpharris36 wrote:
Bklyn&company wrote:I just hope we get one of these guys, My Top Six, no particular order:
Ball, Fultz, Jackson, Tatum, DSJ, Bridges

Think they all can make a impact day one their rookie year, important especially if Melo is still here.

bridges doesn't belong in the top 6

That is your opinion. ... but please next time read... "My Top Six" .... smh

Oscirus · Post #560 » by **Oscirus** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:12 am

The Knicks really need a guard to develop with KP. This can't be stated enough. No fs, Melo don't need a replacement yet, no Cs, a guard.