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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#101 » by vallen » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:50 pm

there wasnt any coach that was going to succeed with melo here. how many coaches has he had ? and how many times did he adjust his game for any of them ? Woodson was the only one who really designed plays around the iso, and let melo become the system. but that was just a false way to play, and eventually destroyed any team concept, or cohesion within the players. it was one man basketball with everyone else chucking whenever they could get a touch.

even with melo gone, none of this can change... because now we have a coach who is President, who wants all his coaches to coach his system. and thats not realistic, its actually a huge conflict of interest the moment the coach is hired.

and then even with Phil gone, it doesnt get much better with steve mills, but at least a coach should be able to implement his actual coaching style. we just wont have any players left that have actual talent, and probably wont be able to get any until the stench of the last GM goes away. and unfortunately that stench is now permanently resonated all over Mills and Houston.

And then maybe, after all of them are gone, we could possibly start fresh after that, but Knowing Jim Dolan he will just hire more names over brains. and round and round this franchise goes.....so ya, really there is no hope.

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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#102 » by dakomish23 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:52 pm

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Knicks93 wrote:Don't think we misread, we thought he was a good coach. Melo just refused to change for his system, same thing with Phil and the triangle now. We chose Melo over Mike

Once again with this.

Mike was here before Melo.

I'm pretty sure D'Antoni never coached Melo for a full 82 game season. Stop this nonsense. Mike was on the verge of getting fired well before Melo was a Knick.


this is simply untrue.
the team was overperforming and very entertaining.
there was no talk whatsoever about firing d'antoni


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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#103 » by dakomish23 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:57 pm

How come no one mentioned how great Mike D would of been here with Amare injured for a lot of his final 3 years?

And how come no one mentions the overwhelming likelihood that if we don't trade for Melo, we trade a very similar package for DWill who himself was also super injury prone?

How come no one talks about having 60% of the cap tied up in two guys on the bench and how terrible this team would of been then?

And how come people are still lying and saying Mike D was fired? He QUIT.

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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#104 » by don't panac » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:37 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
don't panac wrote:
Greenie wrote:Once again with this.

Mike was here before Melo.

I'm pretty sure D'Antoni never coached Melo for a full 82 game season. Stop this nonsense. Mike was on the verge of getting fired well before Melo was a Knick.


this is simply untrue.
the team was overperforming and very entertaining.
there was no talk whatsoever about firing d'antoni


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they were exceeding the expectations for that season
which is a long shot of d'antoni being 'on the verge of getting fired'.
and about how he would have done in the following years if the team had gone a different direction (than the Melo trade), we don't know. maybe we would still have sucked, maybe not.

as fare as him quitting, you are right, although probably 'forced to quit' is closer to what actually happened.
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Post#105 » by Dr. Detfink » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:41 pm

The ESPN interview with Mike D'Antoni by Ramona Shelburne was interesting. D'Antoni pointed out, how he was surprised Harden who was asked to CHANGE his way of play, once he was asked to play point guard...agreed. He was adamant about how guys who are paid $20M+ per season don't do that.

That's kind of what the Knicks needed out of Melo this season that just didn't translate. Plenty of blame to go around but at the end of the day, the coach has to get his best player to buy into what he's trying to do. Right Jeff?
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#106 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:50 pm

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Felton fell off. That's why he didn't make the damn all-star game.

Let's not have revisionist history right now.


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The NBA All-Star Game starting lineups were announced today and by golly if the fans didn't actually get things mostly right this year. In the East, it's Derrick Rose and Dwyane Wade as the guards, LeBron James and Amar'e Stoudemire as the forwards, with Dwight Howard as the center. Out West, the guards are Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant, the forwards are Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony, and the center is...Yao Ming?

OK, there's obviously legitimate beef with Yao—he of the five games played this season being voted in as the Western Conference starter at center—and perhaps with Derrick Rose getting the start at point guard over league assist leader Rajon Rondo. But otherwise, I'm not mad at that list.

Now, however, is where the fun really begins. Each team currently has five players, and they need to get to 12 by February 3rd, when the reserves, as selected by the coaches, will be announced. Sure, guys like Rondo and Dirk and Steve Nash are still gonna make it, but what about the players who aren't automatic?

Here are my arguments for the sometimes overlooked players that should still get to take that trip to Hollywood.

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8. Raymond Felton

When the Knicks signed Felton as a free agent this past summer, to many Knicks fans he was an afterthought. They missed out on LeBron, so ok, who's left? You? Alright, I guess you'll do.

Well aren't they singing a different tune now? While Amar'e Stoudemire has gotten the lion's share of the attention, and rightfully so with his MVP-like play, Felton has quietly been enjoying a career year, and has looked like the best point guard the Knicks have had since...a young Mark Jackson?

He's averaging career highs in almost every category, including scoring (17.5 per game) and assists (8.9 per game, sixth in the league). He's also been a capable leader, and has run coach Mike D'Antoni's high octane offense to perfection while helping the Knicks finally escape mediocrity and creep towards respectability.

Maybe Knicks fans would still take CP3 if he were to become available, but otherwise, they're quite happy with RF2.


Any competent PG looks good under D'Antoni tho.

Remember Chris Duhon? remember his 25 assists game or something like that?


That's true. And, to his credit, he can make a good PG great. My point is that is that Melo also resisted that system too. The only coach Melo liked playing for was ISO Mike Woodson. No surprise there. I guess maybe under different circumstances, he and Fisher could've worked out. But who knows?

Getting back to MDA, We had Felton who was playing out of his mind. But when we traded for Melo, we had to trade Ray and we took back Billups, who while still a good leader on the court, did not fit Mike's offensive scheme. And that switch happened in February. So maybe that explains the 12-14 post-trade record.

Then we amnestied Billups and were left with Duhon, who was at best a back up PG and actually made him look competent at times. Then Mike worked his magic with Lin. But when Melo came back from his injury, he resisted and got Mike fired and "ridiculed" Lin's FA contract with the Rockets (no thanks to Woodson and his stupid big mouth at a post season press conference).

Trust me, just trading Melo for expiring garbage and some mediocre draft picks will be so well worth it.
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#107 » by dakomish23 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:53 pm

I'll hate on pringles all day but this was one of the innovations he's credited with. Video sucks but you get the gist.



With the passing ability of WHG, you could do that first one that LAC did all day with KP. All you'd need is a PG who can make the read quickly on whether to hit the roll guy or let the short man do it.

There are maybe 50 PGs in the league who can do that. The Knicks haven't had once since 12-13. Youre so limited when you have GARBAGE PG olay. And make no mistake, we have had GARBAGE PG play since 12-13.

Probably doesn't matter much, as BCT will likely die before letting the COACH run this play.
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#108 » by dakomish23 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:56 pm

don't panac wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
don't panac wrote:
this is simply untrue.
the team was overperforming and very entertaining.
there was no talk whatsoever about firing d'antoni


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they were exceeding the expectations for that season
which is a long shot of d'antoni being 'on the verge of getting fired'.
and about how he would have done in the following years if the team had gone a different direction (than the Melo trade), we don't know. maybe we would still have sucked, maybe not.

as fare as him quitting, you are right, although probably 'forced to quit' is closer to what actually happened.


If was fun to win some games and have Amare beast. But I remember all those games where either Gallo or Chandler put up duds. It was really often. We just couldn't rely on them.

Felton was at his best. Maybe if we kept Felton in the deal and let them keep Chauncey, we'd have seen a good Mike D run team with Melo in it
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#109 » by Phish Tank » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:57 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
MrProb wrote:
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Any competent PG looks good under D'Antoni tho.

Remember Chris Duhon? remember his 25 assists game or something like that?


That's true. And, to his credit, he can make a good PG great. My point is that is that Melo also resisted THAT system too. The only coach Melo liked playing for was ISO Mike Woodson. No surprise there. I guess maybe under different circumstances, he and Fisher could've worked out. But who knows?

Getting back to MDA, We had Felton who was playing out of his mind. But when we traded for Melo, we had to trade Ray and we took back Billups, who while still a good leader on the court, did not fit Mike's offensive scheme. And that switch happened in February. So maybe that explains the 12-14 post-trade record.

Then we amnestied Billups and were left with Duhon, who was at best a back up PG and actually made him look competent at times. Then Mike worked his magic with Lin. But when Melo came back from his injury, he resisted and got Mike fired and "ridiculed" Lin's FA contract with the Rockets (no thanks to Woodson and his stupid big mouth at a post season press conference).

Trust me, just trading Melo for expiring garbage and some mediocre draft picks will be so well worth it.


Resisting is a bit of a stretch. We have to remember that the lockout season and mid-season trade only gave Melo a condensed stretch to get acclimated and learn the principles of D'Antoni's system. He was supposed to be a point forward type of role, which actually worked out a bit.

However, many factors led to D'Antoni's demise and not all of it was due to Melo.

1) Lockout season resulted in many players being out of shape (Melo, Amare, etc.)
2) The concept of a big frontcourt pretty much put a wrench on anything D'Antoni wanted to run. Also, the offense got pretty sloppy as a result, especially with no PG.
3) Melo got injured right as Linsanity started
4) Melo & others needed to be incorporated into Linsanity (Baron Davis returned and JR Smith was also signed). Lot of new players and not enough time.
5) D'Antoni was on his last year of the contract.
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#110 » by battabing10 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:02 pm

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K P 6 wrote:Melo didnt mesh with his style and we didnt allow him to run his offense with the type of players we had. Only team Melo would of meshed with was the Hawks when they hd Mike woodson.

What was Mike's excuse before Melo?
How soon we forget Mike spent the majority of his time here without Melo.


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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#111 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:04 pm

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Any competent PG looks good under D'Antoni tho.

Remember Chris Duhon? remember his 25 assists game or something like that?


That's true. And, to his credit, he can make a good PG great. My point is that is that Melo also resisted THAT system too. The only coach Melo liked playing for was ISO Mike Woodson. No surprise there. I guess maybe under different circumstances, he and Fisher could've worked out. But who knows?

Getting back to MDA, We had Felton who was playing out of his mind. But when we traded for Melo, we had to trade Ray and we took back Billups, who while still a good leader on the court, did not fit Mike's offensive scheme. And that switch happened in February. So maybe that explains the 12-14 post-trade record.

Then we amnestied Billups and were left with Duhon, who was at best a back up PG and actually made him look competent at times. Then Mike worked his magic with Lin. But when Melo came back from his injury, he resisted and got Mike fired and "ridiculed" Lin's FA contract with the Rockets (no thanks to Woodson and his stupid big mouth at a post season press conference).

Trust me, just trading Melo for expiring garbage and some mediocre draft picks will be so well worth it.


Resisting is a bit of a stretch. We have to remember that the lockout season and mid-season trade only gave Melo a condensed stretch to get acclimated and learn the principles of D'Antoni's system. He was supposed to be a point forward type of role, which actually worked out a bit.

However, many factors led to D'Antoni's demise and not all of it was due to Melo.

1) Lockout season resulted in many players being out of shape (Melo, Amare, etc.)
2) The concept of a big frontcourt pretty much put a wrench on anything D'Antoni wanted to run. Also, the offense got pretty sloppy as a result, especially with no PG.
3) Melo got injured right as Linsanity started
4) Melo & others needed to be incorporated into Linsanity (Baron Davis returned and JR Smith was also signed). Lot of new players and not enough time.
5) D'Antoni was on his last year of the contract.


I didn't really think that there was any dispute that Melo didn't want to relegated to what he described (as I recall) as "a spot up 3 point shooter" during Linsanity. You could see it by the forlorn look on Melo's face when he came back and Lin was still trying to do his thing and incorporating Melo back into the offense. But the ball stuck in Melo's hands back then too and we couldn't get any real rhythm and cohesion on offense.
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#112 » by battabing10 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:06 pm

Greenie wrote:
Knicks93 wrote:
Greenie wrote:Once again with this.

Mike was here before Melo.

I'm pretty sure D'Antoni never coached Melo for a full 82 game season. Stop this nonsense. Mike was on the verge of getting fired well before Melo was a Knick.


Oh please, D'antoni had a young Knicks team outperforming themselves at 28-26 when we traded for Melo. It was guys that fit the way he wanted to play, and were young. Then we blew up the team for an isolation player who didn't like to up the pace, completely opposite of what D'antoni wants to do. Mike was not close to the hot seat till Melo started fighting him on the style of play, specifically Mike trying to get him to play as a spread 4

Mike was here two full years before Melo stepped foot in NY. His lack of defensive coaching had his ass on the hot seat. We never made the playoffs under him until 2010 came and we signed STAT who got off to a blazing start and had us in the playoffs with Felton playing like an All-Star. Felton never made the All-Star game. You know why? He fell the fuq off and with his fall off also came the fall of the Knicks record. That's why the Melo trade was pushed through in the first place. The team started free falling. Sounds familiar right? Uh huh.

Mike wasn't safe and everyone knew it. We wanted a defensive specialist coach for the dude. Ain't that why his ass was fired in PHX? Oh yeah, that's right.


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Post#113 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:08 pm

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Oh please, D'antoni had a young Knicks team outperforming themselves at 28-26 when we traded for Melo. It was guys that fit the way he wanted to play, and were young. Then we blew up the team for an isolation player who didn't like to up the pace, completely opposite of what D'antoni wants to do. Mike was not close to the hot seat till Melo started fighting him on the style of play, specifically Mike trying to get him to play as a spread 4

Mike was here two full years before Melo stepped foot in NY. His lack of defensive coaching had his ass on the hot seat. We never made the playoffs under him until 2010 came and we signed STAT who got off to a blazing start and had us in the playoffs with Felton playing like an All-Star. Felton never made the All-Star game. You know why? He fell the fuq off and with his fall off also came the fall of the Knicks record. That's why the Melo trade was pushed through in the first place. The team started free falling. Sounds familiar right? Uh huh.

Mike wasn't safe and everyone knew it. We wanted a defensive specialist coach for the dude. Ain't that why his ass was fired in PHX? Oh yeah, that's right.


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Greenie, so how's Mike's defensive scheme now? How was it in Phoenix when he won close around 60 games a season?
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Post#114 » by Greenie » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:10 pm

vallen wrote:there wasnt any coach that was going to succeed with melo here. how many coaches has he had ? and how many times did he adjust his game for any of them ? Woodson was the only one who really designed plays around the iso, and let melo become the system. but that was just a false way to play, and eventually destroyed any team concept, or cohesion within the players. it was one man basketball with everyone else chucking whenever they could get a touch.

even with melo gone, none of this can change... because now we have a coach who is President, who wants all his coaches to coach his system. and thats not realistic, its actually a huge conflict of interest the moment the coach is hired.

and then even with Phil gone, it doesnt get much better with steve mills, but at least a coach should be able to implement his actual coaching style. we just wont have any players left that have actual talent, and probably wont be able to get any until the stench of the last GM goes away. and unfortunately that stench is now permanently resonated all over Mills and Houston.

And then maybe, after all of them are gone, we could possibly start fresh after that, but Knowing Jim Dolan he will just hire more names over brains. and round and round this franchise goes.....so ya, really there is no hope.

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Melo did jusy fine under Woody. The team as a whole was better too. Injuries hurt Woodson's last year here.

Mike D'Antoni was a garbage head coach here in NY before Melo got here and that didn't change once Melo arrived. He proved the same in LA. You all will miss me with the Melo ran him out bull, when it was his lack of defensive coaching that had him pushed out of PHX and had is hire Woodson for him.

We will not play the D'Antoni was done wrong bu Melo card around here when we all know damn well Mike was fuqing up before Melo was even a Knick.
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Post#115 » by Greenie » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:19 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
battabing10 wrote:
Greenie wrote:Mike was here two full years before Melo stepped foot in NY. His lack of defensive coaching had his ass on the hot seat. We never made the playoffs under him until 2010 came and we signed STAT who got off to a blazing start and had us in the playoffs with Felton playing like an All-Star. Felton never made the All-Star game. You know why? He fell the fuq off and with his fall off also came the fall of the Knicks record. That's why the Melo trade was pushed through in the first place. The team started free falling. Sounds familiar right? Uh huh.

Mike wasn't safe and everyone knew it. We wanted a defensive specialist coach for the dude. Ain't that why his ass was fired in PHX? Oh yeah, that's right.


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Greenie, so how's Mike's defensive scheme now? How was it in Phoenix when he won close around 60 games a season?



You mean the defensive scheme that had Steve Kerr tell Mike he needed a defensive specialist to come in and help him coach defense? You mean the scheme that Mike was called out for so he got mad and came here only to end up having Woodson take over the defense since the same issues arose here WITHOUT CARMELO?

Yoi mean the same defensive scheme that had avi Lee as our center?

Do you know why PHX never one a damn thing other than regular season games? Defense.

For people who love to point to Melo's defense as a reason for your dislike of him, you all are capping for Mike 'Antoni HARD.

Lock this damn thread up. Capping for Mike should be illegal. Fuq him.
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Post#116 » by dakomish23 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:22 pm

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vallen wrote:there wasnt any coach that was going to succeed with melo here. how many coaches has he had ? and how many times did he adjust his game for any of them ? Woodson was the only one who really designed plays around the iso, and let melo become the system. but that was just a false way to play, and eventually destroyed any team concept, or cohesion within the players. it was one man basketball with everyone else chucking whenever they could get a touch.

even with melo gone, none of this can change... because now we have a coach who is President, who wants all his coaches to coach his system. and thats not realistic, its actually a huge conflict of interest the moment the coach is hired.

and then even with Phil gone, it doesnt get much better with steve mills, but at least a coach should be able to implement his actual coaching style. we just wont have any players left that have actual talent, and probably wont be able to get any until the stench of the last GM goes away. and unfortunately that stench is now permanently resonated all over Mills and Houston.

And then maybe, after all of them are gone, we could possibly start fresh after that, but Knowing Jim Dolan he will just hire more names over brains. and round and round this franchise goes.....so ya, really there is no hope.

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Melo did jusy fine under Woody. The team as a whole was better too. Injuries hurt Woodson's last year here.

Mike D'Antoni was a garbage head coach here in NY before Melo got here and that didn't change once Melo arrived. He proved the same in LA. You all will miss me with the Melo ran him out bull, when it was his lack of defensive coaching that had him pushed out of PHX and had is hire Woodson for him.

We will not play the D'Antoni was done wrong bu Melo card around here when we all know damn well Mike was fuqing up before Melo was even a Knick.


I wanted Woody gone for giving too much of a leash on JR and Felton.

But hindsight is 20/20.

He did a lot of what we still hope for now. He would of made the playoffs if Tyson didn't miss all those games IMO. Unless folks think we'd lose all the games he would of played. We went 6-14 after he got hurt in that CHA game including a 10 game losing streak.

Maybe the thing that hurt woody the most was Bargs being forced on him
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#117 » by Greenie » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:32 pm

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Any competent PG looks good under D'Antoni tho.

Remember Chris Duhon? remember his 25 assists game or something like that?


That's true. And, to his credit, he can make a good PG great. My point is that is that Melo also resisted that system too. The only coach Melo liked playing for was ISO Mike Woodson. No surprise there. I guess maybe under different circumstances, he and Fisher could've worked out. But who knows?

Getting back to MDA, We had Felton who was playing out of his mind. But when we traded for Melo, we had to trade Ray and we took back Billups, who while still a good leader on the court, did not fit Mike's offensive scheme. And that switch happened in February. So maybe that explains the 12-14 post-trade record.

Then we amnestied Billups and were left with Duhon, who was at best a back up PG and actually made him look competent at times. Then Mike worked his magic with Lin. But when Melo came back from his injury, he resisted and got Mike fired and "ridiculed" Lin's FA contract with the Rockets (no thanks to Woodson and his stupid big mouth at a post season press conference).

Trust me, just trading Melo for expiring garbage and some mediocre draft picks will be so well worth it.

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Duhon left here in 2010. We replaced him with Felton.

Tony Douglas was our starting PG walking into that lock out season. That's when Lin made his splash.
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#118 » by Greenie » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:33 pm

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vallen wrote:there wasnt any coach that was going to succeed with melo here. how many coaches has he had ? and how many times did he adjust his game for any of them ? Woodson was the only one who really designed plays around the iso, and let melo become the system. but that was just a false way to play, and eventually destroyed any team concept, or cohesion within the players. it was one man basketball with everyone else chucking whenever they could get a touch.

even with melo gone, none of this can change... because now we have a coach who is President, who wants all his coaches to coach his system. and thats not realistic, its actually a huge conflict of interest the moment the coach is hired.

and then even with Phil gone, it doesnt get much better with steve mills, but at least a coach should be able to implement his actual coaching style. we just wont have any players left that have actual talent, and probably wont be able to get any until the stench of the last GM goes away. and unfortunately that stench is now permanently resonated all over Mills and Houston.

And then maybe, after all of them are gone, we could possibly start fresh after that, but Knowing Jim Dolan he will just hire more names over brains. and round and round this franchise goes.....so ya, really there is no hope.

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Melo did jusy fine under Woody. The team as a whole was better too. Injuries hurt Woodson's last year here.

Mike D'Antoni was a garbage head coach here in NY before Melo got here and that didn't change once Melo arrived. He proved the same in LA. You all will miss me with the Melo ran him out bull, when it was his lack of defensive coaching that had him pushed out of PHX and had is hire Woodson for him.

We will not play the D'Antoni was done wrong bu Melo card around here when we all know damn well Mike was fuqing up before Melo was even a Knick.


I wanted Woody gone for giving too much of a leash on JR and Felton.

But hindsight is 20/20.

He did a lot of what we still hope for now. He would of made the playoffs if Tyson didn't miss all those games IMO. Unless folks think we'd lose all the games he would of played. We went 6-14 after he got hurt in that CHA game including a 10 game losing streak.

Maybe the thing that hurt woody the most was Bargs being forced on him

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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#119 » by Phish Tank » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:17 am

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That's true. And, to his credit, he can make a good PG great. My point is that is that Melo also resisted THAT system too. The only coach Melo liked playing for was ISO Mike Woodson. No surprise there. I guess maybe under different circumstances, he and Fisher could've worked out. But who knows?

Getting back to MDA, We had Felton who was playing out of his mind. But when we traded for Melo, we had to trade Ray and we took back Billups, who while still a good leader on the court, did not fit Mike's offensive scheme. And that switch happened in February. So maybe that explains the 12-14 post-trade record.

Then we amnestied Billups and were left with Duhon, who was at best a back up PG and actually made him look competent at times. Then Mike worked his magic with Lin. But when Melo came back from his injury, he resisted and got Mike fired and "ridiculed" Lin's FA contract with the Rockets (no thanks to Woodson and his stupid big mouth at a post season press conference).

Trust me, just trading Melo for expiring garbage and some mediocre draft picks will be so well worth it.


Resisting is a bit of a stretch. We have to remember that the lockout season and mid-season trade only gave Melo a condensed stretch to get acclimated and learn the principles of D'Antoni's system. He was supposed to be a point forward type of role, which actually worked out a bit.

However, many factors led to D'Antoni's demise and not all of it was due to Melo.

1) Lockout season resulted in many players being out of shape (Melo, Amare, etc.)
2) The concept of a big frontcourt pretty much put a wrench on anything D'Antoni wanted to run. Also, the offense got pretty sloppy as a result, especially with no PG.
3) Melo got injured right as Linsanity started
4) Melo & others needed to be incorporated into Linsanity (Baron Davis returned and JR Smith was also signed). Lot of new players and not enough time.
5) D'Antoni was on his last year of the contract.


I didn't really think that there was any dispute that Melo didn't want to relegated to what he described (as I recall) as "a spot up 3 point shooter" during Linsanity. You could see it by the forlorn look on Melo's face when he came back and Lin was still trying to do his thing and incorporating Melo back into the offense. But the ball stuck in Melo's hands back then too and we couldn't get any real rhythm and cohesion on offense.


Yeah, that's because Melo was never and will never be a spot up three point shooter. Melo's not a spot up shooter. The ball didn't stick during Linsanity; he just didn't score for **** because he couldn't be a spot up shooter.

He wasn't a good enough shooter to either just spot up and wasn't quick enough to just be a cutter. That's just a waste of talent.
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Re: Did we misread Dantoni? 

Post#120 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:54 am

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Resisting is a bit of a stretch. We have to remember that the lockout season and mid-season trade only gave Melo a condensed stretch to get acclimated and learn the principles of D'Antoni's system. He was supposed to be a point forward type of role, which actually worked out a bit.

However, many factors led to D'Antoni's demise and not all of it was due to Melo.

1) Lockout season resulted in many players being out of shape (Melo, Amare, etc.)
2) The concept of a big frontcourt pretty much put a wrench on anything D'Antoni wanted to run. Also, the offense got pretty sloppy as a result, especially with no PG.
3) Melo got injured right as Linsanity started
4) Melo & others needed to be incorporated into Linsanity (Baron Davis returned and JR Smith was also signed). Lot of new players and not enough time.
5) D'Antoni was on his last year of the contract.


I didn't really think that there was any dispute that Melo didn't want to relegated to what he described (as I recall) as "a spot up 3 point shooter" during Linsanity. You could see it by the forlorn look on Melo's face when he came back and Lin was still trying to do his thing and incorporating Melo back into the offense. But the ball stuck in Melo's hands back then too and we couldn't get any real rhythm and cohesion on offense.


Yeah, that's because Melo was never and will never be a spot up three point shooter. Melo's not a spot up shooter. The ball didn't stick during Linsanity; he just didn't score for **** because he couldn't be a spot up shooter.

He wasn't a good enough shooter to either just spot up and wasn't quick enough to just be a cutter. That's just a waste of talent.


Then I have to ask you, why did we trade half the team for Melo with D'Antoni as the coach?

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