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Knicks Offseason Preview for RealGM 

Post#1 » by Smitty731 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:10 pm

Hi all!

My offseason preview for RealGM is up. Love to hear your thoughts!

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245688/2017-NBA-Offseason-Preview-New-York-Knicks

Full disclosure, this was written before Porzingis skipped his exit interview/meeting, but I don't think that means much for his future with the squad.

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Post#3 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:27 pm

Will it suck and be as biased as all your other Knick reviews? If so, can hardly contain my excitement at clicking on the link and reading all the analytical goodness inside.
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Post#4 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:28 pm

Let me help everyone out who is too lazy to click and read the whole thing with the cliff notes version:

The Knicks suck.
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Post#5 » by Capn'O » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:40 pm

A little longish on what happened during the season (Murphy's law happened and the team sucked) but I think your concluding thoughts are correct. Depending on how you're reading the tea leaves this offseason will either be:

Just what the doctor has been ordering since Ewing left

or

More of the same, only worse


My theory since last summer has been that the Knicks were looking to give it one last go with Melo before moving towards a rebuild around the younger pieces. We'll see if it pans but if they go the other way I may finally have the incentive to find more useful things to do with my time. After RealGM rehab, of course.
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Post#6 » by Smitty731 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:43 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Let me help everyone out who is too lazy to click and read the whole thing with the cliff notes version:

The Knicks suck.
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Not exactly what I wrote. I love a lot of the young pieces. And, like any rational person, I think Porzingis is terrific too. The rest? Seems like it is time to head in a different direction.
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Post#7 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:43 pm

Smitty731 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Let me help everyone out who is too lazy to click and read the whole thing with the cliff notes version:

The Knicks suck.
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Not exactly what I wrote. I love a lot of the young pieces. And, like any rational person, I think Porzingis is terrific too. The rest? Seems like it is time to head in a different direction.


You won't get much argument here about that then.
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Post#8 » by Capn'O » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:45 pm

Also, iirc, weren't you the one that went to summer league last year and reported back about how the team brass was split on direction? And are you goink again this year? That's a lot of what I've been basing my theories on.
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Post#9 » by K-DOT » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:50 pm

You lost a lot of credibility calling LFT a big signing
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Capn'O wrote:Also, iirc, weren't you the one that went to summer league last year and reported back about how the team brass was split on direction? And are you goink again this year? That's a lot of what I've been basing my theories on.


Yes. I'll be at both Orlando and Las Vegas again. They haven't announced the teams for Orlando yet (where access is slightly better to team people since it is closed to the public), but it is expected that NY will be here again.

Same as last year, I'll share notes when I can!
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Post#11 » by Smitty731 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:53 pm

K-DOT wrote:You lost a lot of credibility calling LFT a big signing


More the value and length of the contract vs the impact. Although, oddly enough, it might still be the one that works out the best.
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Smitty731 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Also, iirc, weren't you the one that went to summer league last year and reported back about how the team brass was split on direction? And are you goink again this year? That's a lot of what I've been basing my theories on.


Yes. I'll be at both Orlando and Las Vegas again. They haven't announced the teams for Orlando yet (where access is slightly better to team people since it is closed to the public), but it is expected that NY will be here again.

Same as last year, I'll share notes when I can!


Awesome. Your sharing of reconnaissance work last year was much appreciated.
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Post#13 » by Smitty731 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:55 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Also, iirc, weren't you the one that went to summer league last year and reported back about how the team brass was split on direction? And are you goink again this year? That's a lot of what I've been basing my theories on.


Yes. I'll be at both Orlando and Las Vegas again. They haven't announced the teams for Orlando yet (where access is slightly better to team people since it is closed to the public), but it is expected that NY will be here again.

Same as last year, I'll share notes when I can!


Awesome. Your sharing of reconnaissance work last year was much appreciated.


I just hope they have another Summer League legend like Ron Baker or Marshall Plumlee again. I'm glad that wasn't just a line and both did end up making the team. Baker especially, who I think will be a good backup for years in the league.
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Post#14 » by K-DOT » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:56 pm

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K-DOT wrote:You lost a lot of credibility calling LFT a big signing


More the value and length of the contract vs the impact. Although, oddly enough, it might still be the one that works out the best.

He's a bench player being paid less than the MLE
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Post#15 » by Smitty731 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:57 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:You lost a lot of credibility calling LFT a big signing


More the value and length of the contract vs the impact. Although, oddly enough, it might still be the one that works out the best.

He's a bench player being paid less than the MLE


The new MLE yes. At the time it was higher than the Non-Taxpayer MLE by a decent amount. And he was also a targeted signing by the team as well.
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Post#16 » by K-DOT » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:59 pm

Smitty731 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
More the value and length of the contract vs the impact. Although, oddly enough, it might still be the one that works out the best.

He's a bench player being paid less than the MLE


The new MLE yes. At the time it was higher than the Non-Taxpayer MLE by a decent amount. And he was also a targeted signing by the team as well.

Okay, I understand your logic, but I disagree with it
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Post#17 » by Capn'O » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:00 am

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Capn'O wrote:
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Yes. I'll be at both Orlando and Las Vegas again. They haven't announced the teams for Orlando yet (where access is slightly better to team people since it is closed to the public), but it is expected that NY will be here again.

Same as last year, I'll share notes when I can!


Awesome. Your sharing of reconnaissance work last year was much appreciated.


I just hope they have another Summer League legend like Ron Baker or Marshall Plumlee again. I'm glad that wasn't just a line and both did end up making the team. Baker especially, who I think will be a good backup for years in the league.


Yeah - he looks like he has a future in an Eric Snow type role.

Hard to tell if they'll go for undrafted guys again as they have a couple of 2nds this year in addition to their 1st. Last year no picks at all. I guess there are usually a bunch of seniors that didn't ever get picked for whatever reason so maybe they go that route again.
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Post#18 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:44 am

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Capn'O wrote:Also, iirc, weren't you the one that went to summer league last year and reported back about how the team brass was split on direction? And are you goink again this year? That's a lot of what I've been basing my theories on.


Yes. I'll be at both Orlando and Las Vegas again. They haven't announced the teams for Orlando yet (where access is slightly better to team people since it is closed to the public), but it is expected that NY will be here again.

Same as last year, I'll share notes when I can!


Whisper to Phil to let Clarence do all the drafting and not to get all wacky picking a guy like Grant again. (according to info I think someone hinted to you last year)
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Post#19 » by Smitty731 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:45 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Also, iirc, weren't you the one that went to summer league last year and reported back about how the team brass was split on direction? And are you goink again this year? That's a lot of what I've been basing my theories on.


Yes. I'll be at both Orlando and Las Vegas again. They haven't announced the teams for Orlando yet (where access is slightly better to team people since it is closed to the public), but it is expected that NY will be here again.

Same as last year, I'll share notes when I can!


Whisper to Phil to let Clarence do all the drafting and not to get all wacky picking a guy like Grant again. (according to info I think someone hinted to you last year)


Yeah lots were not fans of that pick. The exact quote was something along the lines of "That was Phil's guy. He loves big guards like that."
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Post#20 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:49 am

Smitty731 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
Yes. I'll be at both Orlando and Las Vegas again. They haven't announced the teams for Orlando yet (where access is slightly better to team people since it is closed to the public), but it is expected that NY will be here again.

Same as last year, I'll share notes when I can!


Whisper to Phil to let Clarence do all the drafting and not to get all wacky picking a guy like Grant again. (according to info I think someone hinted to you last year)


Yeah lots were not fans of that pick. The exact quote was something along the lines of "That was Phil's guy. He loves big guards like that."


That was cool to get that information.

On that note, I hope that doesn't cause them to value Frankie N. over, say, D Smith Jr, if he's still there and then Frankie N. doesn't completely pan out. He may be completely deserving of being drafted 7 or so, but I still have a fear of Phil over valuing big guards to the extent he may overlook flaws or lean towards that sort of player over one clearly a bit better.
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