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ESPN laid off dozens of reporters, writers, analysts, talking heads, and behind-the-scenes folks yesterday. If the names were surprising—some of these people had worked at ESPN for decades, and some were practically synonymous with the network—the layoffs themselves were not. They’ve been coming for months, and really they’ve been coming for years.
ESPN has been making relatively invisible cuts for a long time. Hundreds of behind-the-scenes people—essential to ESPN’s functioning but unseen by and unknown to viewers—were laid off in Oct. 2015. Thousands of live games aired on ESPN and its sister networks, perhaps a majority of them, are now broadcast remotely, with as few personnel as necessary on-site. It was only a matter of time before the axe swung down on public-facing employees, too, even if the amount of money this saves is relatively trivial.
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The causes of the layoffs are clear. As ESPN’s subscriber base, and the rate those subscribers paid monthly, grew in the late aughts and early 2010s, Bristol spent flagrantly. They created the Longhorn and SEC Networks, built a massive new SportsCenter studio, hired hundreds of writers to cover specific teams, and, most importantly, spent billions of dollars on live sports rights. They made big bets. They made wrong bets.
Right around the time the ink dried on a $15.2 billion deal to broadcast the NFL, subscribers began fleeing cable television in droves—not because of anything the Worldwide Leader did wrong, but because of secular changes in the way broadcast and video works. Phones, Twitter, and YouTube began instantaneously delivering highlights and entire games to fans, obviating the need for anyone to watch SportsCenter, or any other news shows, to catch up on what happened in sports, or even, in some cases, to watch live games. Terrestrial ad revenue never migrated online, and the revenue to be found there was largely eaten up by Facebook and Google, leaving little to pay those new ESPN.com reporters.
ESPN is still wildly profitable—the operating income of Disney’s media networks (of which ESPN plays the largest role) was $1.36 billion in the 2016 fourth quarter—but it’s less profitable than it used to be, and projects to be far less so in the future. With its latest cuts, ESPN isn’t just trying to stanch the bleeding and/or to be seen by investors as attempting to do so: They’re also laying out what the network will look like over the next five years and beyond.
The last time ESPN changed so abruptly and self-consciously, it went all-in on shout shows. First Take and SportsNation were placed front and center, and to a lesser degree so were the higher-brow PTI, Around the Horn, and Highly Questionable, anchoring the afternoon block. Fox Sports 1 has aped this strategy and taken it to its logical conclusion, with little effect on their anemic ratings.
Over the last 18 months or so, ESPN has tweaked the formula. While keeping the shout show offerings in place—indeed, even a diminished First Take still funds a whole lot of less-profitable journalism—they’re retooling more traditional news shows around the specific skills and personality of the hosts. It’s no surprise ESPN’s memos announcing the layoffs repeatedly used the word “personality.”
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Scott Van Pelt hosts the midnight SportsCenter, where he squares up to the camera and talks directly to the viewer, and features segments reflecting his personal interests, like gambling. The 6 p.m. SportsCenter was rebranded “The Six” when Jemele Hill and Michael Smith took over in February; it’s an opinion-driven back-and-forth with segments the duo first made popular on His & Hers. There has been no announcement, but all signs point to Mike Greenberg leaving Mike & Mike to host some sort of milquetoast SportsCenter and Mike & Mike hybrid in the mornings. And earlier this month, Michelle Beadle was abruptly promoted to full-time NBA Countdown host, while Sage Steele—a competent broadcaster who doesn’t connect as well with viewers—was demoted.
It’s not clear how successful this strategy is or will be, but it certainly hasn’t made things worse. Ratings for the midnight SportsCenter are up year-over-year, while ratings for the new 6 p.m. SportsCenter are broadly in line with ESPN’s overall ratings decline.
The same day ESPN announced changes to NBA Countdown, they also released new “Political and Social Issues” guidelines. The company’s prior guidelines amounted, in effect, to jamming their fingers into their ears and pretending that social media didn’t exist, not allowing employees to comment on politics. Of course, leaving aside the impossibility of defining what constitutes “political editorializing,” dozens of ESPN employees engaged in it daily, and faced with the impossibility of disciplining people for violating an inane policy, ESPN mostly left it alone, occasionally punishing employees for saying things so stupid they couldn’t be ignored.
The new guidelines make far more sense. They say that “commentary related to political or social issues, candidates or office holders is appropriate on ESPN platforms,” which is obvious and has been true all along. The difference is that it’s now formally allowed.
While the guidelines don’t explicitly allow all political commentary, they do say that “commentary related to political or social issues, candidates or office holders is appropriate,” assuming it is “related to a current issue impacting sports.” Considering that basically every political issue touches upon sports—Want to talk about the Muslim ban? Here are some tweets from athletes about it!—it won’t be hard for ESPNers to find a way to talk about whatever they want to talk about.
Finally, the guidelines say that ESPN should “offer balance or recognize opposing views, as warranted.” The as warranted is key, here; another way to put it would be that ESPN’s official policy is that its employees don’t have to perform the sort of “gotta hear both sides” journalism that requires getting an opposing take to balance out heliocentric view, which puts them up on many American outlets.
ESPN’s last few months, then, have a certain amount of internal logic. At least five morning and midday SportsCenter anchors were laid off, for instance, because the rote narration of highlights isn’t as valuable as it once was. There were some clear trends in the firings—ESPN is deemphasizing regional coverage generally and coverage of hockey and baseball specifically. Its former ambitions to be the local sports page of every major city in the country have been abandoned. Meanwhile, the “personalities” that weren’t laid off have greater freedom to express their politics and, well, their personalities.
An ESPN maxim is that the four letters are bigger than any individual. This is a lesson Bill Simmons learned the hard way, and that Dan Le Batard always takes to heart. Michael Smith and Jemele Hill aren’t household names that transcend the audience they built on His & Hers, for instance, but by god ESPN will soon make them.
These layoffs were preceded by a period in which a number of big ESPN names—Skip Bayless, Colin Cowherd, Mike Tirico, Jason Whitlock, Bill Simmons, Chris Broussard, Brent Musberger, Keith Olbermann, Curt Schilling—also left the mothership. Some were fired, some had contracts that were allowed to expire, some were lost after bidding wars, but they all left. Collectively, these departures emphasized that ESPN believes it can still create stars by sheer force of will, and that these new stars will be different than the old ones.
Look who ESPN is turning the network over to. If you take Van Pelt, Smith, Hill, Greenberg, Beadle, Dan LeBatard, and Bomani Jones and Pablo Torre (who likely have a forthcoming show) as, broadly, representing the network’s new core cast, ESPN is looking less white and less male every day, a trend that will certainly continue. And, broadly speaking, these people are liberal.
This last is a point a lot of the network’s dumbest critics have pointed to as a reason for ESPN’s decline, and even levied as a charge of sorts. It’s true, of course, if not necessarily for the reasons those that are making it think it is. Former New York Times public editor Daniel Okrent once titled a column “Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?,” and answered the question in the first line: “Of course it is.” He would later regret his flippancy, but the basic argument was sound: The Times’ viewpoint was (and is) urban, northeast, and educated, and members of those groups generally skew liberal.
The same is broadly true of the most prominent and talented ESPNers, and if the network is going to build shows around their personalities, that has to be at least acknowledged, if not embraced. If ESPN wants Bomani Jones, a genuine superstar talent, to be Bomani Jones, they have to be comfortable with him unleashing his takes on TV and on Twitter. Disney isn’t ordering up lefty takes—they’d be delighted if Jones could connect to audiences the same way while offering up conservative ones—but he wouldn’t be Bomani Jones if he did that. Allowing their best talents to be themselves is a strategy that makes sense for ESPN. It’s also tempered by the conservatism inherent in being, still, not just the most powerful media operation in its sphere (if not outright) on the planet, but part of a still vaster corporation that works according to the dictates of a capitalist industry.
Yesterday’s layoffs were the last step ESPN could take before things get exceptionally grim. Grim would be shuttering the failing Longhorn Network, cancelling the planned ACC Network, and winding down ESPNU (which was hit hard) and ESPN Classic. Exceptionally grim would be renegotiating broadcast contracts with leagues, exiting broadcast contracts early, or selling portions of broadcast contracts to other networks.
If ESPN is trying to significantly trim costs, things are going to get grim, because cutting the salaries of online writers isn’t going to cut it. And so the fundamental question is how long ESPN—or Disney, or Disney shareholders—can be content with diminishing profits, and at what point they admit that aggressively outbidding competitors for live rights at the peak of what was at the time clearly a bubble was a mistake. If they do so, the knock-on effect to the leagues that rely upon their money to pay salaries and fund operations will be immense.
They aren’t there yet, which is in part why it is so baffling that ESPN lobotomized itself yesterday. There was no good financial reason to lay off Jayson Stark, or Ethan Sherwood Strauss, or Melissa Isaacson, which is perhaps the point: Disney is letting ESPN know that it no longer has free rein, while reassuring worried investors that it swears fealty to profit above all else.
The deeper problems remain, though, and they are inescapable. For now, live broadcasts are untouchable, while everything else is subject to strict accounting. That is why yesterday saw 100 people put out of work, and the acknowledgement of a fundamental shift in programming. ESPN is hoping and praying that short-term measures like these will get the network through to the point where it can get out from under its fundamental burdens without having to make almost unthinkable changes in what it is and what it does. Everything we’ve learned about media in the digital age suggests they won’t.
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ESPN laid off dozens of reporters, writers, analysts, talking heads, and behind-the-scenes folks yesterday. If the names were surprising—some of these people had worked at ESPN for decades, and some were practically synonymous with the network—the layoffs themselves were not. They’ve been coming for months, and really they’ve been coming for years.
ESPN has been making relatively invisible cuts for a long time. Hundreds of behind-the-scenes people—essential to ESPN’s functioning but unseen by and unknown to viewers—were laid off in Oct. 2015. Thousands of live games aired on ESPN and its sister networks, perhaps a majority of them, are now broadcast remotely, with as few personnel as necessary on-site. It was only a matter of time before the axe swung down on public-facing employees, too, even if the amount of money this saves is relatively trivial.
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The causes of the layoffs are clear. As ESPN’s subscriber base, and the rate those subscribers paid monthly, grew in the late aughts and early 2010s, Bristol spent flagrantly. They created the Longhorn and SEC Networks, built a massive new SportsCenter studio, hired hundreds of writers to cover specific teams, and, most importantly, spent billions of dollars on live sports rights. They made big bets. They made wrong bets.
Right around the time the ink dried on a $15.2 billion deal to broadcast the NFL, subscribers began fleeing cable television in droves—not because of anything the Worldwide Leader did wrong, but because of secular changes in the way broadcast and video works. Phones, Twitter, and YouTube began instantaneously delivering highlights and entire games to fans, obviating the need for anyone to watch SportsCenter, or any other news shows, to catch up on what happened in sports, or even, in some cases, to watch live games. Terrestrial ad revenue never migrated online, and the revenue to be found there was largely eaten up by Facebook and Google, leaving little to pay those new ESPN.com reporters.
ESPN is still wildly profitable—the operating income of Disney’s media networks (of which ESPN plays the largest role) was $1.36 billion in the 2016 fourth quarter—but it’s less profitable than it used to be, and projects to be far less so in the future. With its latest cuts, ESPN isn’t just trying to stanch the bleeding and/or to be seen by investors as attempting to do so: They’re also laying out what the network will look like over the next five years and beyond.
The last time ESPN changed so abruptly and self-consciously, it went all-in on shout shows. First Take and SportsNation were placed front and center, and to a lesser degree so were the higher-brow PTI, Around the Horn, and Highly Questionable, anchoring the afternoon block. Fox Sports 1 has aped this strategy and taken it to its logical conclusion, with little effect on their anemic ratings.
Over the last 18 months or so, ESPN has tweaked the formula. While keeping the shout show offerings in place—indeed, even a diminished First Take still funds a whole lot of less-profitable journalism—they’re retooling more traditional news shows around the specific skills and personality of the hosts. It’s no surprise ESPN’s memos announcing the layoffs repeatedly used the word “personality.”
ESPN Officially Announces Layoffs, Says Very Little Else
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Scott Van Pelt hosts the midnight SportsCenter, where he squares up to the camera and talks directly to the viewer, and features segments reflecting his personal interests, like gambling. The 6 p.m. SportsCenter was rebranded “The Six” when Jemele Hill and Michael Smith took over in February; it’s an opinion-driven back-and-forth with segments the duo first made popular on His & Hers. There has been no announcement, but all signs point to Mike Greenberg leaving Mike & Mike to host some sort of milquetoast SportsCenter and Mike & Mike hybrid in the mornings. And earlier this month, Michelle Beadle was abruptly promoted to full-time NBA Countdown host, while Sage Steele—a competent broadcaster who doesn’t connect as well with viewers—was demoted.
It’s not clear how successful this strategy is or will be, but it certainly hasn’t made things worse. Ratings for the midnight SportsCenter are up year-over-year, while ratings for the new 6 p.m. SportsCenter are broadly in line with ESPN’s overall ratings decline.
The same day ESPN announced changes to NBA Countdown, they also released new “Political and Social Issues” guidelines. The company’s prior guidelines amounted, in effect, to jamming their fingers into their ears and pretending that social media didn’t exist, not allowing employees to comment on politics. Of course, leaving aside the impossibility of defining what constitutes “political editorializing,” dozens of ESPN employees engaged in it daily, and faced with the impossibility of disciplining people for violating an inane policy, ESPN mostly left it alone, occasionally punishing employees for saying things so stupid they couldn’t be ignored.
The new guidelines make far more sense. They say that “commentary related to political or social issues, candidates or office holders is appropriate on ESPN platforms,” which is obvious and has been true all along. The difference is that it’s now formally allowed.
While the guidelines don’t explicitly allow all political commentary, they do say that “commentary related to political or social issues, candidates or office holders is appropriate,” assuming it is “related to a current issue impacting sports.” Considering that basically every political issue touches upon sports—Want to talk about the Muslim ban? Here are some tweets from athletes about it!—it won’t be hard for ESPNers to find a way to talk about whatever they want to talk about.
Finally, the guidelines say that ESPN should “offer balance or recognize opposing views, as warranted.” The as warranted is key, here; another way to put it would be that ESPN’s official policy is that its employees don’t have to perform the sort of “gotta hear both sides” journalism that requires getting an opposing take to balance out heliocentric view, which puts them up on many American outlets.
ESPN’s last few months, then, have a certain amount of internal logic. At least five morning and midday SportsCenter anchors were laid off, for instance, because the rote narration of highlights isn’t as valuable as it once was. There were some clear trends in the firings—ESPN is deemphasizing regional coverage generally and coverage of hockey and baseball specifically. Its former ambitions to be the local sports page of every major city in the country have been abandoned. Meanwhile, the “personalities” that weren’t laid off have greater freedom to express their politics and, well, their personalities.
An ESPN maxim is that the four letters are bigger than any individual. This is a lesson Bill Simmons learned the hard way, and that Dan Le Batard always takes to heart. Michael Smith and Jemele Hill aren’t household names that transcend the audience they built on His & Hers, for instance, but by god ESPN will soon make them.
These layoffs were preceded by a period in which a number of big ESPN names—Skip Bayless, Colin Cowherd, Mike Tirico, Jason Whitlock, Bill Simmons, Chris Broussard, Brent Musberger, Keith Olbermann, Curt Schilling—also left the mothership. Some were fired, some had contracts that were allowed to expire, some were lost after bidding wars, but they all left. Collectively, these departures emphasized that ESPN believes it can still create stars by sheer force of will, and that these new stars will be different than the old ones.
Look who ESPN is turning the network over to. If you take Van Pelt, Smith, Hill, Greenberg, Beadle, Dan LeBatard, and Bomani Jones and Pablo Torre (who likely have a forthcoming show) as, broadly, representing the network’s new core cast, ESPN is looking less white and less male every day, a trend that will certainly continue. And, broadly speaking, these people are liberal.
This last is a point a lot of the network’s dumbest critics have pointed to as a reason for ESPN’s decline, and even levied as a charge of sorts. It’s true, of course, if not necessarily for the reasons those that are making it think it is. Former New York Times public editor Daniel Okrent once titled a column “Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?,” and answered the question in the first line: “Of course it is.” He would later regret his flippancy, but the basic argument was sound: The Times’ viewpoint was (and is) urban, northeast, and educated, and members of those groups generally skew liberal.
The same is broadly true of the most prominent and talented ESPNers, and if the network is going to build shows around their personalities, that has to be at least acknowledged, if not embraced. If ESPN wants Bomani Jones, a genuine superstar talent, to be Bomani Jones, they have to be comfortable with him unleashing his takes on TV and on Twitter. Disney isn’t ordering up lefty takes—they’d be delighted if Jones could connect to audiences the same way while offering up conservative ones—but he wouldn’t be Bomani Jones if he did that. Allowing their best talents to be themselves is a strategy that makes sense for ESPN. It’s also tempered by the conservatism inherent in being, still, not just the most powerful media operation in its sphere (if not outright) on the planet, but part of a still vaster corporation that works according to the dictates of a capitalist industry.
Yesterday’s layoffs were the last step ESPN could take before things get exceptionally grim. Grim would be shuttering the failing Longhorn Network, cancelling the planned ACC Network, and winding down ESPNU (which was hit hard) and ESPN Classic. Exceptionally grim would be renegotiating broadcast contracts with leagues, exiting broadcast contracts early, or selling portions of broadcast contracts to other networks.
If ESPN is trying to significantly trim costs, things are going to get grim, because cutting the salaries of online writers isn’t going to cut it. And so the fundamental question is how long ESPN—or Disney, or Disney shareholders—can be content with diminishing profits, and at what point they admit that aggressively outbidding competitors for live rights at the peak of what was at the time clearly a bubble was a mistake. If they do so, the knock-on effect to the leagues that rely upon their money to pay salaries and fund operations will be immense.
They aren’t there yet, which is in part why it is so baffling that ESPN lobotomized itself yesterday. There was no good financial reason to lay off Jayson Stark, or Ethan Sherwood Strauss, or Melissa Isaacson, which is perhaps the point: Disney is letting ESPN know that it no longer has free rein, while reassuring worried investors that it swears fealty to profit above all else.
The deeper problems remain, though, and they are inescapable. For now, live broadcasts are untouchable, while everything else is subject to strict accounting. That is why yesterday saw 100 people put out of work, and the acknowledgement of a fundamental shift in programming. ESPN is hoping and praying that short-term measures like these will get the network through to the point where it can get out from under its fundamental burdens without having to make almost unthinkable changes in what it is and what it does. Everything we’ve learned about media in the digital age suggests they won’t.
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As older generations pass on, networks are going to need to move to PPV if they're gonna survive. I understand there's a whole web of regs and agreements that prohibit this. But they'll need to figure it out.
I ain't subscribing to no cable. I basically watch basketball and start up with a show now and again.
I ain't subscribing to no cable. I basically watch basketball and start up with a show now and again.
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It's no different than newspapers. People go to the internet for their analysis now, and ESPN has been awful online for almost 20 years.
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absolutely no sympathy. ESPN was great back when it was just highlights and important news (1990s, early 2000s). i can't stand the plethora of stupid/tedious/redundant shows they have all the time now. all of the super analysts and breakdowns, pitiful.
i know they won't because they're owned by Disney, but i hope ESPN goes belly up and a new sports broadcast show comes back. ESPN, discovery, and the history channel all turning to **** are the reasons i stopped paying for cable. i'm one of those pretentious dolts who have a huge antenna on my tv (it came with the house, and my old lady's mother makes fun of me for it, relentlessly) and only watch local news.
i know they won't because they're owned by Disney, but i hope ESPN goes belly up and a new sports broadcast show comes back. ESPN, discovery, and the history channel all turning to **** are the reasons i stopped paying for cable. i'm one of those pretentious dolts who have a huge antenna on my tv (it came with the house, and my old lady's mother makes fun of me for it, relentlessly) and only watch local news.
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Cord Cutting & high NBA broadcast fees has basically led to this. It was inevitable, but they let some really really good people go while some terrible people (SAS, etc.) are still around. Also, they're still too big in my opinion. They need to remove a ton of these podcasts and various local things they do.
Other scary part is that they're kinda conforming to their own model of journalism/reporting: the "First Take" model. The "First Take" Model has eroded CNN into a near parody nowadays. ESPN's main programming has mirrored First Take to a bad extent now.
Other scary part is that they're kinda conforming to their own model of journalism/reporting: the "First Take" model. The "First Take" Model has eroded CNN into a near parody nowadays. ESPN's main programming has mirrored First Take to a bad extent now.
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Oh well.
ESPN radio got turned off too for me.
Their "personalites" are not good at simply reporting neutrally. They bash and make fun of certain teams/players while nut-hugging another and that in return alienates a fanbase(s).
ESPN radio got turned off too for me.
Their "personalites" are not good at simply reporting neutrally. They bash and make fun of certain teams/players while nut-hugging another and that in return alienates a fanbase(s).
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Rumor is, they're one of the FEW Disney divisions actually hemorrhaging money.
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Greenie wrote:Oh well.
ESPN radio got turned off too for me.
Their "personalites" are not good at simply reporting neutrally. They bash and make fun of certain teams/players while nut-hugging another and that in return alienates a fanbase(s).
#MKGA
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They ran into a perfect storm, some of it was beyond their control but plenty was within. They alienated and turned off so many loyal fans over the last 15 years and their original content is absolutely horrible outside of 30 for 30 (which shouldn't count anyway since they're made by independent film makers). Their TV shows, ESPN Radio, etc are beyond reproach. You can find better content elsewhere for free and in a more timely manner. I don't care what any of their talking heads have to say, you can find better content on blogs and message boards around the web.
Their content adds nothing to the lives of sports fans and they are irrelevant outside of televising live games. Even their studio/pre-game shows and most of their broadcast teams are the worst in the industry. Their NBA coverage as a whole is so much worse than TNT or NBA TV. They've become irrelevant in the NFL despite paying nearly $2B annually. Prime Time is long gone and no one cares about B-level MNF games. College basketball is a dumpster fire since conference realignment and the death of the Big East. The only thing I turn on ESPN for is the occasional college basketball game and NBA playoff games.
Their content adds nothing to the lives of sports fans and they are irrelevant outside of televising live games. Even their studio/pre-game shows and most of their broadcast teams are the worst in the industry. Their NBA coverage as a whole is so much worse than TNT or NBA TV. They've become irrelevant in the NFL despite paying nearly $2B annually. Prime Time is long gone and no one cares about B-level MNF games. College basketball is a dumpster fire since conference realignment and the death of the Big East. The only thing I turn on ESPN for is the occasional college basketball game and NBA playoff games.
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SmoothLefty21 wrote:They ran into a perfect storm, some of it was beyond their control but plenty was within. They alienated and turned off so many loyal fans over the last 15 years and their original content is absolutely horrible outside of 30 for 30 (which shouldn't count anyway since they're made by independent film makers). Their TV shows, ESPN Radio, etc are beyond reproach. You can find better content elsewhere for free and in a more timely manner. I don't care what any of their talking heads have to say, you can find better content on blogs and message boards around the web.
Their content adds nothing to the lives of sports fans and they are irrelevant outside of televising live games. Even their studio/pre-game shows and most of their broadcast teams are the worst in the industry. Their NBA coverage as a whole is so much worse than TNT or NBA TV. They've become irrelevant in the NFL despite paying nearly $2B annually. Prime Time is long gone and no one cares about B-level MNF games. College basketball is a dumpster fire since conference realignment and the death of the Big East. The only thing I turn on ESPN for is the occasional college basketball game and NBA playoff games.
Bingo.
Cheap shots at my favorite sport team ain't working for me.
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Greenie wrote:Oh well.
ESPN radio got turned off too for me.
Their "personalites" are not good at simply reporting neutrally. They bash and make fun of certain teams/players while nut-hugging another and that in return alienates a fanbase(s).
I agree to an extent but the purpose of most of these shows now are sports based entertainment less so then straight line journalism. To see it any other way is foolish. I still enjoy shows like The Michael Kay Show because they don't take themselves too seriously discuss interesting sports topics while still being entertaining.
You could always listen WFAN and Francessa for old school sports radio and fall asleep along with him.
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Polk377 wrote:Greenie wrote:Oh well.
ESPN radio got turned off too for me.
Their "personalites" are not good at simply reporting neutrally. They bash and make fun of certain teams/players while nut-hugging another and that in return alienates a fanbase(s).
I agree to an extent but the purpose of most of these shows now are sports based entertainment less so then straight line journalism. To see it any other way is foolish. I still enjoy shows like The Michael Kay Show because they don't take themselves too seriously discuss interesting sports topics while still being entertaining.
You could always listen WFAN and Francessa for old school sports radio and fall asleep along with him.
nobody wants straight sports journalism anymore. that's why even the 6pm sporstcenter is now about opinions and personalities. you don't need to tune to sportscenter for the highlights of the game or the score or who drafted who. you get all that on your phone in real time.
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Polk377 wrote:Greenie wrote:Oh well.
ESPN radio got turned off too for me.
Their "personalites" are not good at simply reporting neutrally. They bash and make fun of certain teams/players while nut-hugging another and that in return alienates a fanbase(s).
I agree to an extent but the purpose of most of these shows now are sports based entertainment less so then straight line journalism. To see it any other way is foolish. I still enjoy shows like The Michael Kay Show because they don't take themselves too seriously discuss interesting sports topics while still being entertaining.
You could always listen WFAN and Francessa for old school sports radio and fall asleep along with him.
I listen to neither.
I get my sports info from this board. Fuq all of these wack ass stations.
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AllanHoustonFan wrote:Greenie wrote:Oh well.
ESPN radio got turned off too for me.
Their "personalites" are not good at simply reporting neutrally. They bash and make fun of certain teams/players while nut-hugging another and that in return alienates a fanbase(s).
Its funny how Mets fans just assume Kay is a Yankee nut-hugger when in reality he can be just as critical as any other personality on the team. He talks more Yankees because he obviously knows more about their inner workings and leaves the Mets talk to Don Legreca which is fine.
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Greenie wrote:Polk377 wrote:Greenie wrote:Oh well.
ESPN radio got turned off too for me.
Their "personalites" are not good at simply reporting neutrally. They bash and make fun of certain teams/players while nut-hugging another and that in return alienates a fanbase(s).
I agree to an extent but the purpose of most of these shows now are sports based entertainment less so then straight line journalism. To see it any other way is foolish. I still enjoy shows like The Michael Kay Show because they don't take themselves too seriously discuss interesting sports topics while still being entertaining.
You could always listen WFAN and Francessa for old school sports radio and fall asleep along with him.
I listen to neither.
I get my sports info from this board. Fuq all of these wack ass stations.
Lol thats fine to each their own. This board though will give you more headaches than answers sometimes lol
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Greenie wrote:SmoothLefty21 wrote:They ran into a perfect storm, some of it was beyond their control but plenty was within. They alienated and turned off so many loyal fans over the last 15 years and their original content is absolutely horrible outside of 30 for 30 (which shouldn't count anyway since they're made by independent film makers). Their TV shows, ESPN Radio, etc are beyond reproach. You can find better content elsewhere for free and in a more timely manner. I don't care what any of their talking heads have to say, you can find better content on blogs and message boards around the web.
Their content adds nothing to the lives of sports fans and they are irrelevant outside of televising live games. Even their studio/pre-game shows and most of their broadcast teams are the worst in the industry. Their NBA coverage as a whole is so much worse than TNT or NBA TV. They've become irrelevant in the NFL despite paying nearly $2B annually. Prime Time is long gone and no one cares about B-level MNF games. College basketball is a dumpster fire since conference realignment and the death of the Big East. The only thing I turn on ESPN for is the occasional college basketball game and NBA playoff games.
Bingo.
Cheap shots at my favorite sport team ain't working for me.
That and this
Beadle, Michael Smith, Jemele Hill, Billups, Tmac among others take digs at the Knicks whenever they can. Not even gonna mention fake Knick fan SAS.
Only one I mess with is Kellerman.
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I'd assume most cable channels are going through the same deal.
Who even sits down and watches television anymore unless it's sports?
Who even sits down and watches television anymore unless it's sports?
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Well I guess the Daily News should be the next to report its company-wide layoffs.
Bondy blocked me this afternoon. Bad idea....
Bondy blocked me this afternoon. Bad idea....
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I still put on Around The Horn and PTI from time to time, but unless they're broadcasting an NBA game I'm interested in, I wouldn't miss them.
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They'd have done well to keep diving into actual original content instead of talking heads discussing the same current events in different formats all day. That football show that the NFL shutdown was REALLY interesting and had potential.
Haliburton/Lewis Jr/Sasser
Booker/Shamet
Barnes/Dick/Duarte
Washington/Barnes/Crowder
Zubac/Theis/Clowney
Sanogo, Castleton
Ex: Samar, K. Diop, Spagnolo
Booker/Shamet
Barnes/Dick/Duarte
Washington/Barnes/Crowder
Zubac/Theis/Clowney
Sanogo, Castleton
Ex: Samar, K. Diop, Spagnolo