We traded away our go to guy and any defense we had...

onlyonesharky · Post #1 » by **onlyonesharky** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:25 pm

...outside of Wilson Chandler...
Of course our go to guy to me was Zach.
We traded away any trace of defense we had when we traded Balkman, Mardy, and Ariza (I know that wasn't this year).

This sucks!

vallen · Post #2 » by **vallen** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:29 pm

Ya, and in case you didn't hear, we dont have our Pick in 2010 either.

TrueWarrior · Post #3 » by **TrueWarrior** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:29 pm

Zach is not a go to guy. Isiah traded Ariza. Balkman and Mardy are bench players so stop crying about them.

Next.

When Zach Randolph makes an All Star team or leads his teams to the playoffs, ya know because hes such a legit 20/10 go to guy, let me know.

knick4life1218 · Post #4 » by **knick4life1218** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:31 pm

d lee is putting up great numbers now, if we had a consistent sg (not named crawford) then we would be a better team,

a guy LIKE camby would be perfect to play for this team, and then have jeffries come off the bench with nate and gallo.

Yes our go to guy was zach, but we needed to make this trade for our future, zach isnt a winning player, and the ball dies when he has it (he did get better at it) but david lee is as good as him in this offense. Now we should stop talking about the trades that helped us REBUILD for the future, and talk about pieces we can put with these guys to win

Post #5 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:35 pm

Dude, did you forget how bad we looked last year? We broke up a 23 win team. They sucked then, we suck now, but at least we're rebuilding.

blueNorange · Post #6 » by **blueNorange** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:43 pm

defense and zach randolph ... that goes as good as cake and orange juice.

NySpartan4 · Post #7 » by **NySpartan4** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:52 pm

onlyonesharky wrote:...outside of Wilson Chandler...
Of course our go to guy to me was Zach.
We traded away any trace of defense we had when we traded Balkman, Mardy, and Ariza (I know that wasn't this year).

This sucks!

how long have u been sleeping for?
ps- other things u may have missed while sleeping
patrict ewing retired
h20 was forced to reitire due to his injuries
sprewell, jackson, ward, camby, kurt thomas got traded
numerous coach changing took place
marbury was acquired
the knicks have suffered since!
isiah thomas got fired
d'an antoni and walsh dictate the knicks

omerome · Post #8 » by **omerome** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:54 pm

blueNorange wrote:defense and zach randolph ... that goes as good as cake and orange juice.

Well to be fair, I've tasted some orange juice infused cake that was really good. :lol:

Paeds · Post #9 » by **Paeds** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:56 pm

This team is on Pace to have mores wins then last yrs 23 win team with all those said players

DE FENSE · Post #10 » by **DE FENSE** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:57 pm

We don't have consistent defense now and we didn't before.

Mardy showed flashes of D.Harper-like perimeter defensive skills, but he wasn't a tremendous upgrade over what Duhon has shown.

Balkman got some blocks and played good man defense, but he always got in foul trouble. And when he's focused, Harrington has shown the ability to be a solid defender.

Zach at least got a body on dudes down low, but Jeffries is more active, looks to help, and can defend multiple positions.

Jamal is gone, so immediately the perimeter defense gets better, I don't care who you put out there, hell Roberson is probably a better defender that Crawfraud. And Nate has shown an ability to rack up the steals.

If anything, our defensive changes have been lateral. We're still awful.

BelieveTheDream · Post #11 » by **BelieveTheDream** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:59 pm

alright guys enough with the trevor ariza talk hes an ok player and a good defender all he would of done here is take minutes from wilson and wilson is already better then him now in his second year plus hes only 21.... yea we dont have a go to guy right now but hopefully someone can step up or we can pick some1 up

waltoni2010 · Post #12 » by **waltoni2010** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:02 pm

There was no reason to trade Zach the guy was balling! I dont really care about Balkman or Mardy though they stunk. But damn what if we had Zach still wed be in the playoffs no problem. Lee Zach Harrington Q Duhon starting? Damn good.

rayknick · Post #13 » by **rayknick** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:23 pm

The Ariza trade you can blame on LB, but it doesn't really hurt us that much. Trevor's a good player, but it's not like he'd make a bad team better. He's the type of player that makes a good team better, but here he'd have been just be a good player on a bad team.

Balkman- he's a good role player but we alreay have 11 of them!
Mardy- marginal NBA player, not very good

Zach as a "go-to-guy"? Uhh, did you watch Knicks games the past 1 1/2 years. I like Zach's game, he's a baller and really does play over his head considering he's a 20/10 machine and can't jump more than 6" in the air. He's got quick hands and is strong, but he also is careless and takes too many shots and rarely hits the game-winner or has the ball in crunch-time. That's not a 'go-to-guy'.

In order for Walsh to get under the cap in 2010 he needed to get rid of at least 2 of the 3 guys on the team that were 'cap-killers' (Zach/Crawford/Curry). It had nothing to do with Zach's playing ability, it had to do with the future of the Knicks.

Knicksfan1 · Post #14 » by **Knicksfan1** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:26 pm

Any thread that has Zach and Defense together = EPIC FAIL