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Post#1 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 5, 2011 5:03 pm

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Update 10:00-10:30pm* (12/06) [Pg. 48 & 49]
DJRajX wrote:
stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
Continuing to hear same song from Dwight Howard camp... he wants to finish what he started...needs Magic to get him help...


Rick Rolled wrote:
Mike_Bresnahan Mike Bresnahan
Lakers had "cursory" talks today w/ ORL about Dwight Howard, The Times has learned. Translation: Unproductive. No trade proposals exchanged.


rcklsscognition wrote:
• Boston and Orlando can't afford anything higher than the mid-level, but they're both natural fits for an irrational confidence scorer, a combo guard off the bench, someone who can come in and flip a game around … you know, someone whose name rhymes with "Schamal Prawford."


From the grantland article on 2 guards.


Update 9:30pm*
Nyce_1 wrote:
hornets247 hornets247.com
Couldn't get much more out of him- just an educated guess and he said that he would put his chips on Golden State #staytuned
2 minutes ago

hornets247 hornets247.com
On the phone now with an NBA guy I would trust with my life and he tells me: Paul WILL NOT be on the roster at the end of this weekend.


Rick Rolled wrote:
SHowardCooper Scott Howard-Cooper
As much as the Warriors and Clips might be excited to be deep in CP3 talks, they cannot be ruled by hope. No extension in place, no deal.


magic04life wrote:
@RegularSeasonSammy Williams
@MisterRudolph What makes you think CP3 will be on the Magic's team by Christmas my man?


@MisterRudolphJarrod N Rudolph
@RegularSeason : I always thought he;d be here and nothing has changed. It just makes sense.


Update 9:00pm*
Nemesis21 wrote:RicBucher Ric Bucher
Also: sources say Eric Gordon has not and will not be offered to NO for CP3. Minds change, as we know, but that's LAC's position right now. via twitter 2 mins ago


Rick Rolled wrote:
RicBucher Ric Bucher
Also: Magic GM Otis Smith has yet to present wish list for DH12 to a single suitor, says an exec with a team looking to make a bid.


Update 6:00pm-7:30pm*
chunnyboy wrote:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
New Orleans strongly engaged with Clippers, Warriors and Celtics in trade talks for Chris Paul on Tuesday, league sources tell Y!

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Paul has indicated Clippers and Warriors could raise chances of keeping him long-term if they sign center Tyson Chandler too, sources say.


Nemesis21 wrote:RicBucher Ric Bucher
Clippers are not on DHoward's radar and neither is he on theirs, sources say. Story should be up on the interwebs shortly. via twitter 3 mins ago


BelgianMagic wrote:
TheRocketGuy Bill Ingram
We're hearing Jamal Crawford lands in Chicago via S&T or in New Orleans...the Hawks look to replace him with Tracy McGrady ...good luck!


BelgianMagic wrote:
EyeOnBasketball Eye on Basketball
. @KBergCBS reports the Clippers have offered Eric Gordon along with DeAndre Jordan in a package for Chris Paul.


According to Adrian Wojnarowski from Yahoo! Sports:

The Clippers would have to include 23-year-old restricted free-agent center DeAndre Jordan in a package to get Paul, along with forward Al-Farouq Aminu, guard Eric Bledsoe and the 2012 first-round pick they acquired the Minnesota Timberwolves. The Clippers are more attractive to Paul than the Warriors or Boston Celtics, because of the chance to be paired with Griffin and Gordon. Golden State has been aggressive in its pursuit of Chandler independent of Paul, but the Warriors don’t have as appealing of a supporting cast for Paul. The Warriors’ offer for Paul is centered around Stephen Curry and rookie guard Klay Thompson

Source: http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/12/06/s ... rouq.aminu



Update 5:30pm*
BelgianMagic wrote:
MisterRudolph Jarrod N Rudolph
Sources have told me that Chris Paul and Dell Demps had a rocky conversation today. Move expected soon, very soon.
stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
Sources close to Hornets - Hornets will move Chris Paul "no more games, time to move one... did our best to keep him." -- GSW top the list


For those wondering, on the GSW board they seem convinced GSW would trade Curry, not Monta .. That kills another chance of us getting in somewhere

cb1115 wrote:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
New Orleans strongly engaged with Clippers, Warriors and Celtics in trade talks for Chris Paul on Tuesday, league sources tell Y!


Update 4:00pm*
DJRajX wrote:
MattMooreCBS Matt Moore CBS
The Magic want to make a move for Deron Williams or Chris Paul. Reality: The Magic want to change the subject.


Update 3:00pm*
Coach_McGuirk wrote:DavidBaumann33: Source in Magic front office confirms the Magic are attempting to acquire @DeronWilliams from the New Jersey Nets to help @DwightHoward

DavidBaumann33: Magic front office source confirms #CP3 and #MontaEllis are on team's radar. D12 confidant told me CP3 and Ellis were on Dwight's wish list


Update 1:30pm*
DJRajX wrote:David Baumann article on BVW

Magic CEO Bob Vander Weide to retire, Alex Martins promoted
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/sports/ ... -to-retire

...Vander Weide confirmed that he made a 1 a.m. phone call in recent days to Magic superstar Dwight Howard, and Howard thought Vander Weide may have been intoxicated. On that call, Vander Weide told Howard how much the Magic wanted to keep him in Orlando. "I was playing paddle with friends and had a couple of glasses of wine," Vander Weide told BHSN. "Maybe Dwight thought it was inappropriate to talk business after a couple of glasses of wine... Maybe I should have waited until the morning."

Howard and Vander Weide have always had a solid relationship, according to Vander Weide. "We have a very good relationship," he said, also noting that Dwight's intentions are to see the Magic improve this season. "I have a pretty clear understanding where Dwight's head is and that's between him and this organization."

Vander Weide has also had the final say in free agency and in trades. He told BHSN he believes the Magic might be able to cater to Howard's needs and acquire another NBA superstar. "It is certainly possible, teams like our assets," said Vander Weide in regard to a question about the potential to acquire either Chris Paul of the Hornets or Monta Ellis of the Warriors...

...A source close to the DeVos family indicated to BHSN there may have been marital problems between Vander Weide and his wife Cheri, who happens to be the daughter of Magic owner Rich DeVos. Vander Weide denied any plan of a separation in his marraige. "There is no divorce," Vander Weide told BHSN. "Part of the reason for me to step down is to put more of a focus on family. I have five kids; two in college, a 15-year-old, 13-year-old and nine-year-old and they deserve more attention than I have been able to give them in the past few years."...


DJRajX wrote:
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Just received the media alert. Bob Vander Weide, Dan DeVos, Alex Martins and Otis Smith are holding an press conference tomorrow morning.


OrlDave wrote:DavidBaumann33: Just got off the phone with #MAGIC CEO Bob Vander Weide, who is stepping down from his role... Story coming. Stay tuned.

That was 5 minutes ago.


Update 1:00pm*
EasternMagic wrote:Baumann about to release story after speaking with BVW


VGOSWAMI wrote:stevekylerNBA Steve Kyler
RT @JoshOrlando: if that call was made prior to team/player contact being allowed? =--> call reportedly Tuesday at 1am EST = legal contact

Kyler says call happened last night. If that's the case, the 4 hour meeting wasn't damage control, but BVW's call could have had to do with what Dwight told the FO.


Update 12:30pm*
DJRajX wrote:http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-bob-vander-weide-steps-down-1206,0,695780.story
...Martins said Vander Weide's decision to step down has nothing to do with Howard, who can become a free agent after the 2011-12 season. Martins said Vander Weide had been planning to step down for months but wanted to wait until the NBA's labor dispute was resolved...


DJRajX wrote:
JoshuaBRobbins Josh Robbins
Magic CEO Alex Martins cnfirms GM Otis Smith met in-person with Dwight Howard on Tuesday.


Update 10:30am-11:30am*

DJRajX wrote:
David Baumann
Solid sources indicated Vander Weide made 1 am phone call to Dwight Howard in recent days. Vander Weide was thought to be intoxicated.


DJRajX wrote:
DavidBaumann33 David Baumann
Bob Vander Weide essentially told Dwight Howard how much the Magic want to keep him in Orlando.


rcklsscognition wrote:
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#magic sources are confirming that magic ceo bob vanderweide will be stepping down. As as soon as today. More to come @
(This is confirmed)

rcklsscognition wrote:
RoyceWebb Royce Webb, ESPN NBA
In case you're wondering whether the Lakers might end up with a Big 3 of Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant ... the answer is no.


Finally some sense from ESPN.


Hotshot Hower wrote:From Rudolph this morning:

MisterRudolph Jarrod N Rudolph
Sources have gone dark as talks of a LA Superpower gain steam. Says to me that wheels are turning and something is going to happen soon.


I understand LAL's thinking, but if I'm a GM I don't move my HOF guard or HOF center for an All-Star, in Bynum's case a potential All-Star.


ZeusIsLoose wrote:"@MisterRudolph: Who knows what happens. I dont think Dell Demps or Otis want to get munsoned. So they take the chips and soda."


DJRajX wrote:
sheridanhoops Chris Sheridan
To the other retweet, Dwight needs to man up and speak up and declare his intentions. He and CP3 are top dominoes. Whole NBA needs to know.


Update 1:30am* 12/6
chunnyboy wrote:DavidBaumann33 David Baumann
I hear @MisterRudolph will be bringing the noise Wednesday


Update 9:30pm*
arkknight1988 wrote:MisterRudolph Jarrod N Rudolph
Both sides may be going dark at this point. Certainly seems that way.
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Update 9:00pm*
arkknight1988 wrote:MisterRudolph Jarrod N Rudolph
I don't know what to believe about a Dwight/Otis meeting. I'm told there wasn't a meeting by 1 person and told there was a meeting by 10 ppl


cb1115 wrote:
DavidBaumann33 David Baumann
D12 pushed back his workout til Tues. Ed P. didn't gather anything about how things went today. I called Otis Smith, no answer, vm full.


Update 8:30pm*
Nemesis21 wrote:DavidBaumann33 David Baumann
Dwight Howard's shooting coach waited at the gym from about 3 pm until about 7:30 pm, then D12 cancelled his workout session for the day. via twitter 2 mins ago


Update 6:00pm*
D12VCMagic wrote:
ZachMcCann Zach McCann
@ Josh Smith, S-Jax & A. Morrow. RT @millabucsmagic @ZachMcCann any other players Dwight is interested in other than Paul/D-Will/Ellis?


cb1115 wrote:
ZachMcCann Zach McCann
Dwight won't tell Magic to trade him. He's a non-confrontational guy who's ultra-conscious of his public image.

cb1115 wrote:
ZachMcCann Zach McCann
My not-so-bold prediction: Nothing comes out of today's meeting between Dwight & Otis. Dwight wanting a better supporting cast isn't new.


ZachMcCann Zach McCann
Dwight has been lobbying for CP3/D-Will/Ellis all summer. He nor his people have been particularly shy about it.


ZachMcCann Zach McCann
If Magic can't deliver him better teammates, Dwight will tell Otis he plans to explore his options in July. Which we all already knew.


Nemesis21 wrote:D12 & Otis meeting still going on,

DavidBaumann33 David Baumann
Meeting between Dwight Howard and front office started around 2 pm. It has lasted longer than Howard's shooting coach (Ed P.) expected. via twitter 4 mins ago


Update 4:30pm* 12/05
JustDwight wrote:David Baumann (@DavidBaumann33)
12/5/11 4:23 PM
@DwightHoward in a meeting with Magic front office since 2 pm, according to shooting coach Ed Palubinskas.


caseyw20021 wrote:here is everthing he say David Baumann say this in a meeting with Magic front office since 2 pm, according to shooting coach Ed Palubinskas. Ed still waiting for D12 at 4:30, and this too Eddie P. says he'll keep waiting to work with Dwight, "Til hell freezes over." He says Dwight and Magic need to take as long they need today.


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Original 12/05

So last night we found out...
Alex Kennedy: Dwight Howard will likely meet with Magic GM Otis Smith tomorrow. Chris Paul will likely do the same with Hornets GM Dell Demps.


And we do know about this...
Maybe Dwight Wants To Stay In Orlando
http://www.bloguin.com/crossoverchronic ... lando.html
...Saturday afternoon, one of Dwight Howards's closest confidants told BHSN that Howard's preference is to stay in Orlando, rather than be traded. Howard's hope is for Magic President Otis Smith to "hit a home run" via trade and acquire another NBA superstar, most notably Chris Paul of the New Orleans Hornets. Monta Ellis of the Golden State Warriors was another name also mentioned. The source wished to remain anonymous...


And this...
Robbins’ Morning Magic: Amnesty decision can’t be viewed in isolation
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports ... ent-page-1
...Whether the team decides to “amnesty” Gilbert Arenas or Hedo Turkoglu could hinge on what Dwight Howard tells the organization about his long-term plans...


...And this...
Magic can’t let Dwight Howard ‘straddle the fence’
http://bostonherald.com/sports/columnis ... _the_fence
...I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, Otis Smith needs to invite Dwight Howard and his agent into his office ASAP, plug in the Tom Petty Greatest Hits CD and cue it up to, "I Need to Know."

"I need to know!

"I need to know!

"If you think you’re gonna leave then you better say so!"

The good news is it sounds like Smith plans on doing just that and asking Dwight for an answer. The bad news is that Magic fans might not like Dwight’s answer...



I'm hoping for some news today from both sides. If any of you guys (who can find news quicker and better) find anything on both meetings, please post it here [I'll update the title/thread]. I figured a lot of people on this forum would like to know as well when info breaks through (if any today).
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Post#2 » by Nyce_1 » Mon Dec 5, 2011 5:14 pm

sit tight and be patient. When there's news, I'm sure someone will post a link in the CP thread and start a new thread around it.
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Post#3 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 5, 2011 5:18 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:sit tight and be patient. When there's news, I'm sure someone will post a link in the CP thread and start a new thread around it.

Heh, that'll never happen lol... I'm anxious for something good to happen (call me optimistic)

Also if the news is just about Dwight (and not CP3)... I'd rather have a thread up now for someone to post in it than have 5-10 threads pop up later with the same news
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Post#4 » by SolidSnake008 » Mon Dec 5, 2011 5:53 pm

Is there any news yet?

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If so is it going to be anything substantial?

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All jokes aside i hope we hear something solid today good or bad...it's the not knowing anything that's killing me
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Post#5 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 5, 2011 6:06 pm

SolidSnake008 wrote:All jokes aside i hope we hear something solid today good or bad...it's the not knowing anything that's killing me


Tell me about it
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Post#6 » by Hotshot Hower » Mon Dec 5, 2011 8:49 pm

It's ONLY day 1 of signing day for FA's. Let the rumors swirl, can't take every rumor/story literal, just have to have patience.

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Post#7 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 5, 2011 8:52 pm

Hotshot Hower wrote:It's ONLY day 1 of signing day for FA's. Let the rumors swirl, can't take every rumor/story literal, just have to have patience.

Standing by #CP3toOrl :)


Today is the first day you can talk to FA. Dec. 9 is the first day you can actually sign FA.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... igh-demand
Today is first the day NBA teams are allowed to talk to free agents. Players cannot sign new deals until Friday. Here’s a round-up of the latest buzz:...


http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls ... ree-agent/
...While no oral or written agreements can be reached before Dec. 9, the first, official day of free agency and training camp, Monday is the beginning of an important week for teams that are planning to improve their roster through the free-agent market...


But other than that, I hear what you're saying. I'm just excited. The wait is killing me, whle especially knowing that two of the biggest names that affect our franchise's future (Dwight and CP3) are having meetings with their respective GMs today.
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Post#8 » by Hotshot Hower » Mon Dec 5, 2011 8:57 pm

Well, what I meant is today is the 1st day FA's verbally accept an offer.
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Post#9 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:03 pm

Hotshot Hower wrote:Well, what I meant is today is the 1st day FA's verbally accept an offer.

Okay, I understand. I don't trust their (players) word though. Sometimes you have players that say they are going to one team and then they sign (or are sign & traded) to another. Remember Boozer (said he was re-signing with Cleveland, ended up in Utah) or Barnes (said he was going to Toronto, ended up as a Laker). But it makes the case that all these rumors and sayings are nothing concrete until it is official... so we should all take each gossip item as a grain of salt. However with that said... when it comes to Dwight (and CP3... or even D-Will)... I can't help but get vacuumed into the media craze on trade assumptions and signings. It's hard to ignore them as a Magic fan.
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Post#10 » by JustDwight » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:29 pm

David Baumann (@DavidBaumann33)
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@DwightHoward in a meeting with Magic front office since 2 pm, according to shooting coach Ed Palubinskas.
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Post#11 » by caseyw20021 » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:31 pm

here is everthing he say David Baumann say this in a meeting with Magic front office since 2 pm, according to shooting coach Ed Palubinskas. Ed still waiting for D12 at 4:30, and this too Eddie P. says he'll keep waiting to work with Dwight, "Til hell freezes over." He says Dwight and Magic need to take as long they need today.
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Post#12 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:33 pm

Thank you guys! It's good to see the meeting is going long. Let's keep praying for some good news.
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Post#13 » by AddiFB » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:33 pm

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Post#14 » by arkknight1988 » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:35 pm

JustDwight wrote:David Baumann (@DavidBaumann33)
12/5/11 4:23 PM
@DwightHoward in a meeting with Magic front office since 2 pm, according to shooting coach Ed Palubinskas.


The outcome of this meeting will determine the next 10 years for this franchise! officially *nervous* :confused: :confused: :confused:
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Post#15 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:36 pm

AddiFB wrote:I'm so worried my socks are like swimming pools

same here
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Post#16 » by arkknight1988 » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:36 pm

DJRajX wrote:Thank you guys! It's good to see the meeting is going long. Let's keep praying for some good news.

This could also be bad. (discussing trade destinations)
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Post#17 » by cb1115 » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:37 pm

Hopefully they can find a mutual understanding. I don't think I can take all of this BS for an entire season.
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Post#18 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:39 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:
DJRajX wrote:Thank you guys! It's good to see the meeting is going long. Let's keep praying for some good news.

This could also be bad. (discussing trade destinations)

yeah man, i feel you on that... but we have to stay positive... it could also be a discussion on how to acquire the players Dwight wants (CP3, Ellis, Smith, etc.)

i'm so worried right now too... because this is seriously the most important meeting in the franchise's history

but we have to hope for the best

keep waiting on the news
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Post#19 » by MiracleBZop » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:40 pm

Please Otis and Dwight. Only good outcomes.

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Post#20 » by magicman123 » Mon Dec 5, 2011 9:41 pm

BREAKING NEWS!!!! DWIGHT and otis are discussing which toppings they want on their pizza..stay tuned ;)

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