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Larry Hughes Starting Would Make Jameer A GREAT 6th Man

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Larry Hughes Starting Would Make Jameer A GREAT 6th Man

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Larry Hughes Starting Would Make Jameer A GREAT 6th Man 

Post#1 » by WillyJakkz » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:59 pm

Unreal that this guy didn't even play in the League last season and I can't believe that I'm even saying this but for real... Larry Hughes needs to start at PG, that was VERY evident last night when we lost to the Thunder that starter Jameer Nelson was just too short and didn't have the length or speed to keep up w/ Russell Westbrook.

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Would he have shut down Westbrook? I doubt it, would he have made it a helluva lot more difficult for Russ to do his thing? Yeppers.

I appreciate what Lil' Meer does for the team but it's clear that now he would be GREAT off the bench and would destroy any backup PG in the L (as he sometimes outplays most starting PG's) but our offense is stagnant and besides, Larry hasn't been the chucker he once was and the one thing he's consistently brought to a team was perimeter defense and some playmaking ability (especially when he knows whose team it is and HIS role, as in Washington and Cleveland).

If I'm wrong I'm wrong BUT the one thing I know I'm right about is he'd definitely push the rock AND make sure Dwight got the majority of the touches.

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Post#2 » by NBlue » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:06 pm

Obviously he needs to (a) get and (b) play well in backup minutes before considering a starting role. That said, every game he fails to get those backup minutes over Dusuck is a wasted opportunity.
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Post#3 » by SolidSnake008 » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:12 pm

Wow....As a starter? no sir....imo Meer outplayed Westbrook for a good chunk of the game...Plus we all know what type of coach Stan is...He's a loyal guy...Only will play guys he trusts...Case in point...Hughes and Wafer are obviously better players than Duhon but i don't think Stan trusts them just yet so they won't see any consistent time at this point...Stan likes Duhon because he's a safe PG....Won't take a lot of shots if any...And will only make safe boring passes....you will never see Duhon thread the needle...Pass Behind the back or no-looks...Safe, Simple and Boring...I guess Stan thinks if we have Duhon playing that way then we'll minimize mistakes or something idk
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Re: Larry Hughes Starting Would Make Jameer A GREAT 6th Man 

Post#4 » by Def Swami » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:26 pm

He should be getting far more minutes than Duhon. Perhaps split minutes with Jameer. He could provide a lot of what Rafer did in 2009.
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Post#5 » by Animorphsfan » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:28 pm

Jameer held his own against Westbrook last night. Larry Hughes would make a great backup PG, but Nelson is fine as the starter
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Post#6 » by thelead » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:30 pm

Animorphsfan wrote:Jameer held his own against Westbrook last night. Larry Hughes would make a great backup PG, but Nelson is fine as the starter


Nelson is only "fine" as a starter when you have an allstar sg (that can handle the ball) next to him.
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Post#7 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:53 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:He should be getting far more minutes than Duhon. Perhaps split minutes with Jameer. He could provide a lot of what Rafer did in 2009.
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Post#8 » by eyriq » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:08 pm

Nelson does need to be our 6th man but sadly no PG on our roster is starting quality. If we could get one of Mo Williams or Randy Roye from LAC than it would be a different story.
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Post#9 » by BaunceyChillups » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:15 pm

Jameer posted an 18/6 statline on good shooting and was arguably the best player on the team last night and you guys want to start Larry fcking Hughes?

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Post#10 » by WillyJakkz » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:26 pm

BaunceyChillups wrote:Jameer posted an 18/6 statline on good shooting and was arguably the best player on the team last night and you guys want to start Larry fcking Hughes?

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Basketball is about cohesion and clearly this is an issue cause it's the same thing, different year.

IF Jameer starts, our starting SG cannot be J-Rich BUT if our starting backcourt is Nelson AND J-Rich, Turk cannot start...unfortunately Turk is the only guy that'll get Dwight the ball or even halfway attack the basket so he can get Dwight the ball.

One of those guys (Nelson or J-Rich) needs to take an offensive backseat and concede to being more of an impact in a different way and since Nelson is the PG who has the ball in hishands the majority of the times it has to be him BUT it's not in his DNA therefore we need a guy who will do it and Hughes is that type of guy (the only guy we have on the roster at least) who can do it well.
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Post#11 » by rcklsscognition » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:27 pm

I was fine with Jameer last night. I was predicting a 24/12/2 game, but still wasn't disappointed.
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Post#12 » by Deezy » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:28 pm

Whether you like it or not, Jameer outplayed Westbrook last night. I was actually surprised by the outcome of their head-to-head battle. Prior to tipoff I figured that Westbrook would be the x-factor that decided the game. I think that's also a big part of the disappointment; even with Nelson holding his own and Durant not killing us, we still managed to throw the game away.
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Post#13 » by EasternMagic » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:34 pm

BaunceyChillups wrote:Jameer posted an 18/6 statline on good shooting and was arguably the best player on the team last night and you guys want to start Larry fcking Hughes?

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Jameer Nelson last night: 18/6 and 4 turnovers 1 rebound +9 in 30 minutes...
Derrick Rose last night: 22/5 and 5 turnovers 1 rebound +7 in 36 minutes....

If Jameer can play like last night consistently there is no doubt he is a starter.
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Post#14 » by Deezy » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:34 pm

The problem with benching Jameer is that you concede dribble penetration altogether and truly become one dimensional. He's one of the select few that can get into the paint consistently. J-Rich can't and neither can Hedo. If they do make it in there, the results normally aren't pretty.

It sucks because our best passer (Hedo) has no athletic ability and lacks craft.
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Post#15 » by Prolific Scorer » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:36 pm

Disagree. This isn't 2005, Larry Hughes would get burned defensively on a nightly basis on by starting PGs.
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Post#16 » by Deezy » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:40 pm

Westbrook: 14 pts, 7 reb, 6 ast, 3 stl, 7 to, 5 pf, 6-17 fg.
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Post#17 » by ADRajX » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:41 pm

Deezy wrote:The problem with benching Jameer is that you concede dribble penetration altogether and truly become one dimensional. He's one of the select few that can get into the paint consistently. J-Rich can't and neither can Hedo. If they do make it in there, the results normally aren't pretty.

It sucks because our best passer (Hedo) has no athletic ability and lacks craft.

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This is another big issue... when we bench Jameer and Duhon comes in... it's not that Duhon isn't a smart PG or anything... but it's the fact that Duhon cannot dribble penetrate into the lane, collapse the defense, and find a way to make a play/pass for us or score... he either picks up his dribble near the top of the key and stalls the offense... or he forces a drive through traffic and makes a turnover either through making a bad pass or getting stuck in a bad predicament... he has bad court vision... that's not to say he hasn't made a few good passes and plays for us... he can be decent, but it's just too inconsistent... he has a hard time coming off of screens as well, which is his only option to get by his defender and get into the paint to break down the defense... he obviously can't do it off the dribble by himself...

Now with that said... Larry Hughes has slowed down a lot... but his size, handles, craftiness, and length gives him a better chance to get by his defender without a screen and make a good pass or play... and Hughes knows how to properly come off of screens and slip screens... he can find taller guys like Ryan and Howard posting up or slipping through after the pick... the offense flows better with Hughes in than it does with Duhon... which is why I think Nelson and Hughes should get all the minutes at PG, and Duhon should not play for the most part.
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Post#18 » by EasternMagic » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:42 pm

Deezy wrote:Westbrook: 14 pts, 7 reb, 6 ast, 3 stl, 7 to, 5 pf, 6-17 fg.

thank goodness he's on my fantasy team.

no one is arguing if Russel should or should not be starting.
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Post#19 » by rcklsscognition » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:46 pm

Deezy wrote:The problem with benching Jameer is that you concede dribble penetration altogether and truly become one dimensional. He's one of the select few that can get into the paint consistently. J-Rich can't and neither can Hedo. If they do make it in there, the results normally aren't pretty.

It sucks because our best passer (Hedo) has no athletic ability and lacks craft.


Wafer needs to be on whichever squad Jameer isn't on. JJ is getting some movement, but lacks penetration 90% of the time, he's just putting the tip in and getting a foul, which is good, but it's completely different then going all the way.
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Post#20 » by magicman123 » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:55 pm

unfortunately nobody on the roster is better than jameer. we have 3 options but we are stuck with option A for the time being

A. stick with jameer
B. trade for a real and better point guard
C. trade for a playmaker/creator who can score and help set up his teammates

i would take B or C all day

the problem is jameer makes nobody on the team better, he would be a great 6th man because of it but we have no other options

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