New Orleans willing to trade the 10th pick

[cedric76]

okafor+arisa+10th pick for expiering contract

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

They waive jj and last year of hedo s contractispartially guaranteed

We get the 10th pick + solid vet defender

Nelson,#10,duhon
Jr,#19,liggins
Ariza,earl,q
Bbd,okafor
D12,okafor

+decide what we do with Ryan

We d enter in free agency with more flexibility :

[drsd]

okafor+arisa+10th pick for expiering contract

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

They waive jj and last year of hedo s contractispartially guaranteed

We get the 10th pick + solid vet defender

Nelson,#10,duhon
Jr,#19,liggins
Ariza,earl,q
Bbd,okafor
D12,okafor

+decide what we do with Ryan

We d enter in free agency with more flexibility :

Talent wise this is nice. But the above roster approaches one of the most expensive rosters in NBA history. And how do you still have Duhon as a Magician?


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[cedric76]

okafor+arisa+10th pick for expiering contract

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

They waive jj and last year of hedo s contractispartially guaranteed

We get the 10th pick + solid vet defender

Nelson,#10,duhon
Jr,#19,liggins
Ariza,earl,q
Bbd,okafor
D12,okafor

+decide what we do with Ryan

We d enter in free agency with more flexibility :

Talent wise this is nice. But the above roster approaches one of the most expensive rosters in NBA history. And how do you still have Duhon as a Magician?


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actually it isnt much more than what we r paying now.
i left duhon cause he is untradable
but as i said above, it s not the final roster, we d have assets to get better players.

1st if D12 decide to leave, we d still have a good frontcourt with okafor+BBD, and we wouldnt be forced to trade D12 for a center, we could trade D12 for a top backcourt player instead.

2nd if D12 decided to stay, we could move either BBD or okafor +other assets (JR or draft pick) for a very good backcourt player (iguo,ellis type of player)

bottom line is that we d lose JJ+hedo's **** contract for 2 very solid defender veteran and get a lottery pick, this is a no brainer to me

[freespirit9]

We arent trading redick. Expect him to get another 3-4 year contract from us. Not only is he our second best player being used in a limited role, but hes our smartest player. I dont see us letting go of that, when we have so many **** contracts we need to unload.

[tiderulz]

We arent trading redick. Expect him to get another 3-4 year contract from us. Not only is he our second best player being used in a limited role, but hes our smartest player. I dont see us letting go of that, when we have so many **** contracts we need to unload.

he isnt the 2nd best player. That is Nelson, sad as it is. And Redick as an asset as a good role player and an expiring contract. If that can be used to reboot the franchise, it needs to be done.

[eyriq]

Ryan + 19th + Hedo For 10th + Ariza

I know I know, nobody wants Hedo.

An interesting trade but a bad one for several reasons.

Competitive impact: Orlando gives up Anderson's 16-8 and Hedo's 11-4-4, while returning Ariza's 11-3-5. While Ariza is an upgrade on Hedo it is not an overwhelming upgrade, and with Anderson's production thrown in the balance tips drastically against Orlando.

Financial impact: This trade frees up potential cap space by not keeping Anderson on contract. This trade isn't the only mechanism available for this end result, just letting Anderson walk is another, so freeing up cap space via adding Anderson to this trade adds no value to the trade itself. Any value in trading Anderson comes exclusively through increasing overall production due to his free agent status.

The financial impact of going from Hedo 2yrs/$17.815M guaranteed, to Ariza 2yrs/$14.985M guaranteed is negligible. In fact, if you look exclusively at the big free agent year of '13 Hedo is on the books for only $6M compared to Ariza's $7.727M, actually worsening our cap room for that pivotal off-season.

Long-term outlook: Swapping the #19 for the #10 puts us in this years lottery and almost guarantees us as a lock for one of the best PG's in this years draft, Kendall Marshall. There are other scenarios that point out lots of different possibilities. Regardless, moving up nine spots is valuable and can be the difference from acquiring a quality starter or even a core piece or acquiring a rotation player over the long term, but has marginal short term impact.

Bottom line is that the financial gains of moving Hedo are negligible when we have to bring back Ariza. The loss of production is severe against the Magic. The benefit of moving up nine spots is valuable but this value is locked up in probability and is long term. The Magic need production now and cannot afford to leave their competitiveness up to long term probability.

Finally, even if the #10 pick develops into a core piece and is one of our more productive players, Ryan Anderson is already that player.

[freespirit9]

We arent trading redick. Expect him to get another 3-4 year contract from us. Not only is he our second best player being used in a limited role, but hes our smartest player. I dont see us letting go of that, when we have so many **** contracts we need to unload.

he isnt the 2nd best player. That is Nelson, sad as it is. And Redick as an asset as a good role player and an expiring contract. If that can be used to reboot the franchise, it needs to be done.

either way, id rather trade nelson. redick plays his role consistently. you never know what nelson is going to give you. its time to move onto a consistent playmaker if were going to keep dwight

[tiderulz]

We arent trading redick. Expect him to get another 3-4 year contract from us. Not only is he our second best player being used in a limited role, but hes our smartest player. I dont see us letting go of that, when we have so many **** contracts we need to unload.

he isnt the 2nd best player. That is Nelson, sad as it is. And Redick as an asset as a good role player and an expiring contract. If that can be used to reboot the franchise, it needs to be done.

either way, id rather trade nelson. redick plays his role consistently. you never know what nelson is going to give you. its time to move onto a consistent playmaker if were going to keep dwight

If Redick is what is required to help the franchise, he needs to be moved. He is an overpaid, 3 pt shooter/role player. I like him, but that is just the way it is.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Please move hedo and anderson for ariza and the 10th pick....just say no to slow footed Defensively challenged spot up shooters. That stretch 4 crap is played out.

[eyriq]

Please move hedo and anderson for ariza and the 10th pick....just say no to slow footed Defensively challenged spot up shooters. That stretch 4 crap is played out.

By what measure is the stretch 4 played out? Lewis or Anderson have been top two in plus-minus every year, starting in '09, with Dwight obviously filling the other spot. If anything should be 'played out' it should be the tired argument against the stretch 4. Dwight + Stretch 4 is a proven mix, we just need to strengthen the structure around them.

[Skin]

Please move hedo and anderson for ariza and the 10th pick....just say no to slow footed Defensively challenged spot up shooters. That stretch 4 crap is played out.

The Hornets are trying to dump bad contracts. So why would they take back Hedo? smh

Facepalm.

[ChildishGambino]

Please move hedo and anderson for ariza and the 10th pick....just say no to slow footed Defensively challenged spot up shooters. That stretch 4 crap is played out.

By what measure is the stretch 4 played out? Lewis or Anderson have been top two in plus-minus every year, starting in '09, with Dwight obviously filling the other spot. If anything should be 'played out' it should be the tired argument against the stretch 4. Dwight + Stretch 4 is a proven mix, we just need to strengthen the structure around them.

i tend to agree with this.....If we had Dwight+Stretch 4 and a legitimate wing or guard that could create his own shot then we would have been set.....Dwight and the stretch 4 compliment each other well...can't be understated but we have to have playmakers and creators around them.......

[Skin]

Yep. The stretch 4 is not "played out". If anything it's gaining more and more popularity. Many teams are LOOKING for that!

As long as we have Dwight here, we NEED to have a stretch 4 type player. When you talk about building a team with players that compliment each other and don't step over each other's toes, a stretch 4 PF is EXACTLY what this team needs.

What we lack is a wing who can be a go to scorer and play defense, and a PG who can pass and play defense (scoring is a bonus).

[tiderulz]

Yep. The stretch 4 is not "played out". If anything it's gaining more and more popularity. Many teams are LOOKING for that!

As long as we have Dwight here, we NEED to have a stretch 4 type player. When you talk about building a team with players that compliment each other and don't step over each other's toes, a stretch 4 PF is EXACTLY what this team needs.

What we lack is a wing who can be a go to scorer and play defense, and a PG who can pass and play defense (scoring is a bonus).

serious question. What teams have won a title with a stretch 4 type of offense?

[ChildishGambino]

Yep. The stretch 4 is not "played out". If anything it's gaining more and more popularity. Many teams are LOOKING for that!

As long as we have Dwight here, we NEED to have a stretch 4 type player. When you talk about building a team with players that compliment each other and don't step over each other's toes, a stretch 4 PF is EXACTLY what this team needs.

What we lack is a wing who can be a go to scorer and play defense, and a PG who can pass and play defense (scoring is a bonus).

serious question. What teams have won a title with a stretch 4 type of offense?

Stretch 4 Offense...maybe none...but Stretch 4 player? Dallas Mavericks last year