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Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction History(7/20/13)

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Post#76 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:30 pm by OrlandoMagician

Is this relevant? From Woj:

@WojYahooNBA: Many league executives impressed w/ young players that front office of Rob Hennigan, Scott Perry and Matt Lloyd have assembled in Orlando.
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Post#77 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:22 am by JBSouthpaw

ESPN Trade Grades by Kevin Pelton:

Milwaukee: C+
What are the Bucks doing? That's been the question everyone around the league has spent all week trying to figure out. Milwaukee was as active as anyone, and reportedly in discussions to trade for Josh Smith as part of a three-way trade until just before the deadline. Those talks broke down, but the Bucks still made the biggest splash of any team by acquiring Redick.

Despite Redick nominally being a rental -- he's in the last year of a contract -- it's somewhat unclear how much this trade will help Milwaukee the rest of the way. That will depend on how interim head coach Jim Boylan manages his revamped backcourt. The Bucks don't have a true backup for Brandon Jennings at the point after dealing Udrih, which presumably means Redick and Monta Ellis will share ballhandling duties as part of a three-guard rotation. If that's a win, it's not by much. The clearer upgrade comes when Redick takes Ellis' minutes, giving Milwaukee a more efficient option at shooting guard. Our Bradford Doolittle estimated that change adding about a win to the Bucks' bottom line........


Orlando: B
From the Magic's perspective this decision was much more straightforward. Orlando knew Redick would likely leave as an unrestricted free agent and wanted to get value for him before then. The Magic reportedly had multiple offers of late first-round picks and decided instead to go with Harris, the No. 19 pick in 2011 and a prospect with more upside than anyone Orlando could have gotten with one of those late first-rounders.

Harris was a favorite of John Hollinger's Draft Rater in 2011, and has played well enough in limited action in Milwaukee that his top SCHOENE comparables include Gerald Wallace, Tim Thomas and Rashard Lewis (as well as Julian Wright, to temper that excitement). There are two concerns with Harris. The first is that he's still so young (20) that he might not really get it until after the conclusion of his rookie contract in 2014-15. Secondly, his skill set overlaps with the Magic's other project small forward, Maurice Harkless. Harris appeared as one of Harkless' most similar players coming out of college. There may not be room for a pair of wings who lack 3-point range, and it's not clear whether Harris can handle regular action at power forward.

A more minor quibble is that it's unfortunate Orlando didn't have time to route Udrih to a contender he might have helped down the stretch. That way the Magic could have gotten a little more long-term value out of this deal.
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Post#78 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:12 am by TNMagicFan

Skin wrote:Also,

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA

Hearing Orlando used Ryan Anderson TPE to obtain Warrick which would have expired before Magic could use it... Gain TPE from McRoberts

Brilliant!


I was confused about this trade until I read this . I had no idea what the point was until now
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Post#79 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:32 am by ~Snoopy~

JBSouthpaw wrote:ESPN Trade Grades by Kevin Pelton:

Milwaukee: C+
What are the Bucks doing? That's been the question everyone around the league has spent all week trying to figure out. Milwaukee was as active as anyone, and reportedly in discussions to trade for Josh Smith as part of a three-way trade until just before the deadline. Those talks broke down, but the Bucks still made the biggest splash of any team by acquiring Redick.

Despite Redick nominally being a rental -- he's in the last year of a contract -- it's somewhat unclear how much this trade will help Milwaukee the rest of the way. That will depend on how interim head coach Jim Boylan manages his revamped backcourt. The Bucks don't have a true backup for Brandon Jennings at the point after dealing Udrih, which presumably means Redick and Monta Ellis will share ballhandling duties as part of a three-guard rotation. If that's a win, it's not by much. The clearer upgrade comes when Redick takes Ellis' minutes, giving Milwaukee a more efficient option at shooting guard. Our Bradford Doolittle estimated that change adding about a win to the Bucks' bottom line........


Orlando: B
From the Magic's perspective this decision was much more straightforward. Orlando knew Redick would likely leave as an unrestricted free agent and wanted to get value for him before then. The Magic reportedly had multiple offers of late first-round picks and decided instead to go with Harris, the No. 19 pick in 2011 and a prospect with more upside than anyone Orlando could have gotten with one of those late first-rounders.

Harris was a favorite of John Hollinger's Draft Rater in 2011, and has played well enough in limited action in Milwaukee that his top SCHOENE comparables include Gerald Wallace, Tim Thomas and Rashard Lewis (as well as Julian Wright, to temper that excitement). There are two concerns with Harris. The first is that he's still so young (20) that he might not really get it until after the conclusion of his rookie contract in 2014-15. Secondly, his skill set overlaps with the Magic's other project small forward, Maurice Harkless. Harris appeared as one of Harkless' most similar players coming out of college. There may not be room for a pair of wings who lack 3-point range, and it's not clear whether Harris can handle regular action at power forward.

A more minor quibble is that it's unfortunate Orlando didn't have time to route Udrih to a contender he might have helped down the stretch. That way the Magic could have gotten a little more long-term value out of this deal.

thats my only problem
with hark and harris similiar skill set
we gonna end up with one dimentional SF spot?


other then that I like the trade
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Post#80 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:56 am by MagicFan32

BadMofoPimp wrote:
silent1900 wrote:It's starting to look like Hennigan's inability to get unprotected picks from the Lakers in the Howard deal could matter more than we ever imagined.


Plus, Henny restricted his cap space in taking back Harrington's albatross of a contract. That is two blunders. So, if he did swell in Harkless and Vucevic, but did bad with Al and Picks. Then, Henny is about 50/50. Which is still better than Otis!!!

But, thus far, I am not impressed with Henny. Magic could have forced Lakers to find a top 10 pick for Dwight and also not taken back Harrington.

Actually, I would have preferred to keep Earl Clark and Duhon and let Denver ship Harrington to the Lakers. Then, cut Duhon for the $1.5 mil cap hit and develop Clark to help out the defense here.

Holy crap just stop it. Harrington had to be in the deal for salary reasons, and he is NOT IN ANY WAY RESTRICTING OUR CAPSPACE Jesus man go look on hoopsworld. Insurance is paying 80% of Harringtons deal, the magic likely knew this before agreeing to take him, knowing they would barely be paying him anything this year. We do not even need capspace, yet we will have some this summer! the magic got 5 draft picks, a starting 2, and 2 good prospects out of the trade and got rid of most of their unwanted players. The Magic could not force anyone to do anything because dumbass dwight held us hostage or his idiot agent was going to blackball us for life
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Post#81 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:55 pm by in-limbo

No to Dwight...and yes to Henny.
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Post#82 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:15 pm by BadMofoPimp

MagicFan32 wrote:Holy crap just stop it. Harrington had to be in the deal for salary reasons, and he is NOT IN ANY WAY RESTRICTING OUR CAPSPACE Jesus man go look on hoopsworld. Insurance is paying 80% of Harringtons deal, the magic likely knew this before agreeing to take him, knowing they would barely be paying him anything this year. We do not even need capspace, yet we will have some this summer! the magic got 5 draft picks, a starting 2, and 2 good prospects out of the trade and got rid of most of their unwanted players. The Magic could not force anyone to do anything because dumbass dwight held us hostage or his idiot agent was going to blackball us for life


I got four words for you.

Hedo Turkoglu (still stuck with him)
Earl Clark (An attractive Expiring Magic gave up)

Instead of taking back Harrington, the Magic could have not given up Duhon and Clark. Because, Duhon only counts $1.5 mil against the cap if cut. Then, the Magic should of taken back a cheaper expiring instead of Harrington. Because, Harrington is still on the hook for two more years with some money counting against the cap!

All good though. I just won't praise Henny being he made the mistake in taking Harrington. That is his freebie though.
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Post#83 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:48 pm by JBSouthpaw

BadMofoPimp wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:Holy crap just stop it. Harrington had to be in the deal for salary reasons, and he is NOT IN ANY WAY RESTRICTING OUR CAPSPACE Jesus man go look on hoopsworld. Insurance is paying 80% of Harringtons deal, the magic likely knew this before agreeing to take him, knowing they would barely be paying him anything this year. We do not even need capspace, yet we will have some this summer! the magic got 5 draft picks, a starting 2, and 2 good prospects out of the trade and got rid of most of their unwanted players. The Magic could not force anyone to do anything because dumbass dwight held us hostage or his idiot agent was going to blackball us for life


I got four words for you.

Hedo Turkoglu (still stuck with him)
Earl Clark (An attractive Expiring Magic gave up)

Instead of taking back Harrington, the Magic could have not given up Duhon and Clark. Because, Duhon only counts $1.5 mil against the cap if cut. Then, the Magic should of taken back a cheaper expiring instead of Harrington. Because, Harrington is still on the hook for two more years with some money counting against the cap!

All good though. I just won't praise Henny being he made the mistake in taking Harrington. That is his freebie though.


you can't just casually though in there "should have taken back a cheaper expiring" without putting a name in there when you are busting the GM for a SPECIFIC fault, totally kills ANY legitimate point you are tying to make.
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Post#84 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:52 pm by orlando1214

BadMofoPimp wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:Holy crap just stop it. Harrington had to be in the deal for salary reasons, and he is NOT IN ANY WAY RESTRICTING OUR CAPSPACE Jesus man go look on hoopsworld. Insurance is paying 80% of Harringtons deal, the magic likely knew this before agreeing to take him, knowing they would barely be paying him anything this year. We do not even need capspace, yet we will have some this summer! the magic got 5 draft picks, a starting 2, and 2 good prospects out of the trade and got rid of most of their unwanted players. The Magic could not force anyone to do anything because dumbass dwight held us hostage or his idiot agent was going to blackball us for life


I got four words for you.

Hedo Turkoglu (still stuck with him)
Earl Clark (An attractive Expiring Magic gave up)

Instead of taking back Harrington, the Magic could have not given up Duhon and Clark. Because, Duhon only counts $1.5 mil against the cap if cut. Then, the Magic should of taken back a cheaper expiring instead of Harrington. Because, Harrington is still on the hook for two more years with some money counting against the cap!

All good though. I just won't praise Henny being he made the mistake in taking Harrington. That is his freebie though.


Oh I didn't know you were in the negotiating room with Hennigan and that you know exactly what he could have traded or not. :lol:

Seriously though, you can come up with all these alternate scenarios to who the Magic could have traded or not traded, but you just don't know what happened in the trade talks and why exactly Hennigan took Harrington. Maybe nobody wanted Turk, or maybe Denver was unwilling to add one of their picks if Harrington wasn't involved. Besides, like Magicfan said, the insurance is paying a lot of his salary due to his injury. Also, just like Duhon, Harrington's contract is non-guaranteed next year and will only count for about $1.7 million more than Duhons. So stop acting like that somehow shackles the Magic and keeps them from having capspace. Besides, I'm happy if the Magic have to pay a little bit more with Harrington's contract next year if it meant no Duhon this year. :lol:
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Post#85 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:18 pm by BadMofoPimp

If Harrington is cut, he will count against 2014 and 2015's caps. That is like $3.8 mil against each year that could restrict the Magic's opportunity to improve the roster and sign top level talent and help surround them with role players.

As far as Duhon, the Magic could have kept him and cut him this year and saved more than they will ever do with Harrington.

Thus, Magic could not have even dealt with Duhon. But, the Magic did get rid of Earl Clarks expiring while tacking on Harrington.

As far as the war room, Henny should have laid down the law and emphatically stated directly at Kupchack, "If you want Dwight, I only want expirings" and he could of got it because the Lakers wanted Dwight that much too.

It is all good though as it is done and over with. But, Henny showed weakness there.
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Post#86 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:30 pm by The Effect

Is there a place i can go to apologize to hennigan? Every move he makes seems to be amazing, and i keep doubting him :lol:
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Post#87 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:49 am by Optimus_Steel

BadMofoPimp wrote:If Harrington is cut, he will count against 2014 and 2015's caps. That is like $3.8 mil against each year that could restrict the Magic's opportunity to improve the roster and sign top level talent and help surround them with role players.

As far as Duhon, the Magic could have kept him and cut him this year and saved more than they will ever do with Harrington.

Thus, Magic could not have even dealt with Duhon. But, the Magic did get rid of Earl Clarks expiring while tacking on Harrington.

As far as the war room, Henny should have laid down the law and emphatically stated directly at Kupchack, "If you want Dwight, I only want expirings" and he could of got it because the Lakers wanted Dwight that much too.

It is all good though as it is done and over with. But, Henny showed weakness there.


Nitpicking man. We got rid of Jrich too, dont forget that. And if I had to sit thru another season of Duhon I would yell profanities during every game.
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Post#88 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Fri Mar 1, 2013 10:17 am by Javanar

BadMofoPimp wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:Holy crap just stop it. Harrington had to be in the deal for salary reasons, and he is NOT IN ANY WAY RESTRICTING OUR CAPSPACE Jesus man go look on hoopsworld. Insurance is paying 80% of Harringtons deal, the magic likely knew this before agreeing to take him, knowing they would barely be paying him anything this year. We do not even need capspace, yet we will have some this summer! the magic got 5 draft picks, a starting 2, and 2 good prospects out of the trade and got rid of most of their unwanted players. The Magic could not force anyone to do anything because dumbass dwight held us hostage or his idiot agent was going to blackball us for life


I got four words for you.

Hedo Turkoglu (still stuck with him)
Earl Clark (An attractive Expiring Magic gave up)

Instead of taking back Harrington, the Magic could have not given up Duhon and Clark. Because, Duhon only counts $1.5 mil against the cap if cut. Then, the Magic should of taken back a cheaper expiring instead of Harrington. Because, Harrington is still on the hook for two more years with some money counting against the cap!

All good though. I just won't praise Henny being he made the mistake in taking Harrington. That is his freebie though.


Howard was forcing his way to free agency.

Howard was injured for a couple of months.

Howard did not give any kind of verbal commitment to any of the potential trade partners.

All GM's in NBA know that Howard is a problematic player, with a real possibility of walking away for nothing if they get him.

In these circumstances there is no way you can get the exact value for the player you are trading. It was a damage limitation exercise for Magic, and by getting Vucevic, Harkless and some picks, by getting rid of JRich and Duhon, by having some TPE, Henny made a good job to limit the damage and spread the damage effects over time.

Could we have a better deal? Yeah if we knew Bynum's injury was this bad, Magic and sixers would have better deals. Sixers is the one that was screwed in that trade. Not Magic.
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Post#89 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Fri Mar 1, 2013 3:26 pm by drsd

~Snoopy~ wrote:thats my only problem
with hark and harris similiar skill set
we gonna end up with one dimentional SF spot?


For me the point is the off-season competition. Both players will challenge each other, and the winner will be a starter and the not-winner will be a better player.

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Post#90 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Fri Mar 1, 2013 3:47 pm by Horcy

JBSouthpaw wrote:ESPN Trade Grades by Kevin Pelton:

There are two concerns with Harris. The first is that he's still so young (20) that he might not really get it until after the conclusion of his rookie contract in 2014-15. [u]


Hmmm...the kid is shinning averaging 17.7 ppg since his arrival to Orlando :lol:
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Post#91 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Fri Mar 1, 2013 3:48 pm by hanhh

Didn't the Lakers trade all their recent 1st rounders for Nash? Whats the point in getting a 2017 pick?

Who the f*** cares about a pick that far ahead? Harrington can contribute, as we saw the other night. We got rid of most of our trash already, I mean I am thrilled.....

What do you expect? We were handcuffed, or let him walk...
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Post#92 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Fri Mar 1, 2013 3:51 pm by hanhh

BadMofoPimp wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:Holy crap just stop it. Harrington had to be in the deal for salary reasons, and he is NOT IN ANY WAY RESTRICTING OUR CAPSPACE Jesus man go look on hoopsworld. Insurance is paying 80% of Harringtons deal, the magic likely knew this before agreeing to take him, knowing they would barely be paying him anything this year. We do not even need capspace, yet we will have some this summer! the magic got 5 draft picks, a starting 2, and 2 good prospects out of the trade and got rid of most of their unwanted players. The Magic could not force anyone to do anything because dumbass dwight held us hostage or his idiot agent was going to blackball us for life


I got four words for you.

Hedo Turkoglu (still stuck with him)
Earl Clark (An attractive Expiring Magic gave up)

Instead of taking back Harrington, the Magic could have not given up Duhon and Clark. Because, Duhon only counts $1.5 mil against the cap if cut. Then, the Magic should of taken back a cheaper expiring instead of Harrington. Because, Harrington is still on the hook for two more years with some money counting against the cap!

All good though. I just won't praise Henny being he made the mistake in taking Harrington. That is his freebie though.



Dude get out of here with that Earl Clark crap. I agree with you about Hedo, though.

Clark is straight garbage, he plays ok defense with his athleticism...but his jump shot really isn't any better. He is a liability on the floor. SVG didn't play him significant mins for a reason, only reason he plays now is because the lakers HAD to take him and Pau is hurt.


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Post#93 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Fri Mar 1, 2013 9:26 pm by Horcy

JBSouthpaw wrote:ESPN Trade Grades by Kevin Pelton:

Orlando: B
From the Magic's perspective this decision was much more straightforward. Orlando knew Redick would likely leave as an unrestricted free agent and wanted to get value for him before then. The Magic reportedly had multiple offers of late first-round picks and decided instead to go with Harris, the No. 19 pick in 2011 and a prospect with more upside than anyone Orlando could have gotten with one of those late first-rounders.

Harris was a favorite of John Hollinger's Draft Rater in 2011, and has played well enough in limited action in Milwaukee that his top SCHOENE comparables include Gerald Wallace, Tim Thomas and Rashard Lewis (as well as Julian Wright, to temper that excitement). There are two concerns with Harris. The first is that he's still so young (20) that he might not really get it until after the conclusion of his rookie contract in 2014-15. Secondly, his skill set overlaps with the Magic's other project small forward, Maurice Harkless. Harris appeared as one of Harkless' most similar players coming out of college. There may not be room for a pair of wings who lack 3-point range, and it's not clear whether Harris can handle regular action at power forward..


So he lacks 3pt range right? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#94 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Fri Mar 1, 2013 9:48 pm by crazytown

In Henny we trust....
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Post#95 Re: Official Rob Hennigan Magic Transaction H
Sat Mar 2, 2013 7:52 am by jman2585

You added "raped John Hammond at the deadline" right? This is what it feels like to have a Spurs front office (like the other 5 Spurs FO's around the NBA). Guys like Vucevic and Harris get plucked from obscurity to play well under you.
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