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Re: Official Draft Thread: Prospects Watch 

Post#1231 » by thelead » Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:59 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:I'm going to wait until I see him play in college before I decide that Wiggins is a can't miss mega star that people are declaring him to be. I mean, if high school was all we needed to see before knowing how good these players are, then shebazz wouldn't be getting shown up by Bmac and Kentucky wouldn't be in danger of missing the tournament


I was calling shabazz a selfish chucker in high school. If you use your own eyes (and not listen to the hype), you can weed through a lot of the trash. Wiggins is the real deal. He outplayed Shabazz in an International US vs The World game (and is 2 years younger mind you). I will gladly take the extra year and watch Wiggins in college though, just to make sure :wink: It definitely can't hurt. And by chance that he isn't as good as it appears, there are other top tier talents in the same draft. Hopefully we can draft whoever is the best prospect.
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Post#1232 » by blue and white » Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:59 am

just thinkin if we draft bennett this year and somehow get wiggins we could almost have the Canadian national team with nicholson already here
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Re: Official Draft Thread: Prospects Watch 

Post#1233 » by IGotDaMagicInMe » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:15 am

blue and white wrote:just thinkin if we draft bennett this year and somehow get wiggins we could almost have the Canadian national team with nicholson already here


As much as I like the idea of being team canada, I'd rather not take bennett :-?
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Re: Official Draft Thread: Prospects Watch 

Post#1234 » by IGotDaMagicInMe » Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:16 am

thelead wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:I'm going to wait until I see him play in college before I decide that Wiggins is a can't miss mega star that people are declaring him to be. I mean, if high school was all we needed to see before knowing how good these players are, then shebazz wouldn't be getting shown up by Bmac and Kentucky wouldn't be in danger of missing the tournament


I was calling shabazz a selfish chucker in high school. If you use your own eyes (and not listen to the hype), you can weed through a lot of the trash. Wiggins is the real deal. He outplayed Shabazz in an International US vs The World game (and is 2 years younger mind you). I will gladly take the extra year and watch Wiggins in college though, just to make sure :wink: It definitely can't hurt. And by chance that he isn't as good as it appears, there are other top tier talents in the same draft. Hopefully we can draft whoever is the best prospect.


Jabari Parker is supposed to be good too, and some other guys, in case we dont win the lottery :cry:
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Re: Official Draft Thread: Prospects Watch 

Post#1235 » by MagicFan32 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:04 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:I have no clue why anyone wants us to pick noel. I was wrong about him resembling dwight. He's worse! Remember how one of the bigger issues with dwight being a poor ft shooter was the fact he wasn't as strong as Shaq therefore he didn't finish a lot of those shots Thus he had to shoot two fts?

Now picture it being 30 million times worse. If we want a player that only blocks shots, rebounds, and can't score, then go get biyombo.

He's nothing like Biyombo, Noel knows how to play basketball.
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Post#1236 » by cedric76 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:33 am

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Post#1237 » by Skin » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:05 am

I may be in the minority, but I'd rather have Jabari Parker than Andrew Wiggins.

...plus Parker just seems destined to be a Magic in my mind for some reason. I think it's a natural fit with his personality and the types we've had over the years.
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Post#1238 » by Redphilly » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:10 pm

Skin wrote:I may be in the minority, but I'd rather have Jabari Parker than Andrew Wiggins.

...plus Parker just seems destined to be a Magic in my mind for some reason. I think it's a natural fit with his personality and the types we've had over the years.

Can somebody give me an idea how big is the gap betweem Wiggins and Parker. In all mockdrafts they are 1-2 with Wiggins in pole position. Is he really so much better than Parker? Who are the other players to watch in the 2014 draftclass.
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Post#1239 » by dsg2021 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:24 pm

There's like Wiggins, Parker, and these Harrison brothers all supposedly in the top 5 so far. We'd really need to pin on 4-5 players to statistically actually maybe pick the right one with where we end up drafting and who the Magic like. I think Parker and a few others are being touted as 1st picks if it were a weaker/normal draft.
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Post#1240 » by Noonskadoodle » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:47 pm

Eurocups Top 5 Rising Star Candidates...

5. Rudy Gobert, Cholet Basket (26 June, 1992)
Gobert brings an impressive combination of size and athleticism to the center spot, which has turned him into an elite shot-blocking prospect. He was selected to the all-tournament team at the Under-20 European Championships over the summer after helping France win a silver medal with a whopping 10.7 points, 10.7 rebounds and 4.7 blocks in the three elimination round games. Having locked down a starting spot with Cholet this season, the sky is the limit for Gobert.

4. Tomas Satoransky, Cajasol Seville (30 October, 1991)
The tall and athletic Satoransky returns to the Eurocup two years after helping Cajasol reach the competition title game. His experiences with Cajasol and the Czech senior national team have only helped Satoransky’s knowledge of the game improve to make him a truly dangerous weapon. He is a great slasher who loves to excite the crowds with big dunks. Improving his outside shooting appears to be the final frontier for Satoransky on his rise to stardom.

3. Nikos Pappas, Panionios (11 July, 1990)
Scoring guard Pappas has long been considered one of the top young guards in Europe after terrorizing the junior summer circuit by leading Greece to two gold and three silver medals at the Under-18, U-19 and U-20 European and World Championships between 2008 and 2010. He has already established himself as a go-to guy for his new club Panionios after erupting for 32 points, 8 rebounds and a performance index rating of 36 in the third game of the Greek League regular season.

2. Bojan Dubljevic, Valencia Basket (24 October, 1991)
Dubljevic comes off a season in which he was selected to the All-Eurocup Second Team, even though he didn’t claim a spot in Buducnost’s starting five till late in the regular season. He was the MVP for the first games in the quarterfinals when he went for 15 points, 8 rebounds and 3 steals against his current team, Valencia. This season he provides serious scoring punch in a part-time starting role that could expand as the 21-year-old continues to improve week by week.

1. Furkan Aldemir, Galatasaray Medical Park (9 August, 1991)
Ademir showed skill as a dominant rebounder and active player in the paint last season as he garnered votes in the 2012 Euroleague Rising Star Award voting. Now a year older and stronger, Aldemir should be a fixture in the Galatasaray lineup and one of the best offensive rebounders in the Eurocup. With a motor that never stops, no fear of contact and a cast of great players around him that will make Aldemir and Galatasaray better, he enters the season as a prime candidate for the Rising Star Award.
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Re: Official Draft Thread: Prospects Watch 

Post#1241 » by Noonskadoodle » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:57 pm

Redphilly wrote:
Skin wrote:I may be in the minority, but I'd rather have Jabari Parker than Andrew Wiggins.

...plus Parker just seems destined to be a Magic in my mind for some reason. I think it's a natural fit with his personality and the types we've had over the years.

Can somebody give me an idea how big is the gap betweem Wiggins and Parker. In all mockdrafts they are 1-2 with Wiggins in pole position. Is he really so much better than Parker? Who are the other players to watch in the 2014 draftclass.


















Some solid talent coming to the NBA very very soon
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Post#1242 » by Redphilly » Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:54 pm

Noonskadoodle wrote:
Redphilly wrote:
Skin wrote:I may be in the minority, but I'd rather have Jabari Parker than Andrew Wiggins.

...plus Parker just seems destined to be a Magic in my mind for some reason. I think it's a natural fit with his personality and the types we've had over the years.

Can somebody give me an idea how big is the gap betweem Wiggins and Parker. In all mockdrafts they are 1-2 with Wiggins in pole position. Is he really so much better than Parker? Who are the other players to watch in the 2014 draftclass.


















Some solid talent coming to the NBA very very soon

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Post#1243 » by RookieStar » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:34 pm

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
blue and white wrote:just thinkin if we draft bennett this year and somehow get wiggins we could almost have the Canadian national team with nicholson already here


As much as I like the idea of being team canada, I'd rather not take bennett :-?


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Post#1244 » by Tayswagzzz » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:39 pm

First time watching Wiggins and Parker even play. Heard a lot about em but never seen them play. Dear God, both are amazing to watch. Now I REALLY want to tank another season. Lol
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Post#1245 » by Noonskadoodle » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:45 pm

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As we noted earlier today, the Orlando Magic have set themselves up for what should be a loss-filled stretch run. They traded their No. 2 scorer, J.J. Redick, to the Milwaukee Bucks Thursday, Hedo Turkoglu is suspended, Glen Davis is likely out for the rest of the season, Jameer Nelson is injured, and much of their remaining roster is younger than a veteran college squad.

The intention, of course, is to lose as much as possible so they can have the best possible shot at the No. 1 pick in this year's draft and then take advantage of cap space to lure some free agents. Time will tell how that plan goes, but if they do land the top pick, ESPN NBA Insider Chad Ford thinks they should target Oklahoma State guard Marcus Smart:

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Orlando Magic draft needs

"Smart isn't putting up huge numbers, but he has come up huge for Oklahoma State in some of its biggest games and appears to have the X factor that NBA GMs look for in a No. 1 pick. Smart has great size for the position, has a NBA body, has a power game going to the basket, and is a clutch leader who is fearless with the game on the line. He also is a versatile defender who can guard multiple positions. Jameer Nelson has the starting job locked down right now, but Smart would be a long-term upgrade. ... The Magic need a star to start building around. To me, Smart is oozing with star potential. He's still pretty raw. His jump shot is shaky and he can be turnover-prone, but he's a charismatic leader who works hard on both ends of the floor and usually rises to the occasion in big games. Putting him on the floor with the Magic's collection of young players would immediately make everyone better."

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Orlando Magic draft needs

The Dwight Howard saga came to a sad, messy conclusion last summer when the Orlando Magic shipped Howard off to the Los Angeles Lakers for a collection of young players headlined by Nikola Vucevic and Moe Harkless, as well as veteran Arron Afflalo.

The move signaled that a massive rebuilding effort was under way in Orlando. With no young stars to build around, the Magic's collection of middling veterans and middling young players was the perfect recipe for blah.

The team ranks 26th in offensive efficiency this season and is tied for 25th in defensive efficiency. The Magic are in the middle of the pack in Assist Ratio, Effective Field Goal Percentage and Rebounding Rate.

But there is some good news. The team ranks No. 1 in the NBA in Defensive Efficiency Rate thanks in large part to the excellent work on the boards by Vucevic. He's averaging 11.5 defensive rebounds a game and while he's just a middling defender, his work on the boards is crucial. The Magic are also getting strong play from rookie Andrew Nicholson and see long-term potential in Harkless.

At the Thursday trade deadline, the Magic continued the franchise teardown shipping off veteran sharpshooter J.J. Redick for two young players -- Tobias Harris and Doron Lamb. Harris gives the Magic another combo forward who many scouts around the league believe can blossom. Lamb is a rookie sharpshooter who has struggled a bit his rookie season.

Overall, the Magic have a number of nice young pieces. But what they really need is a star. I'm not sure that that star is in this draft, but there are some intriguing options.

Here's a look at their best options if the get the No. 1 pick.

Good fits: Marcus Smart, Nerlens Noel, Ben McLemore, Victor Oladipo

Smart isn't putting up huge numbers, but he has come up huge for Oklahoma State in some of its biggest games and appears to have the X factor that NBA GMs look for in a No. 1 pick. Smart has great size for the position, has a NBA body, has a power game going to the basket, and is a clutch leader who is fearless with the game on the line. He also is a versatile defender who can guard multiple positions. Jameer Nelson has the starting job locked down right now, but Smart would be a long-term upgrade.

Noel would be an excellent fit next to Vucevic. His shot-blocking ability and athleticism would be a strong combination next to Vucevic's more plodding game. Besides, the Magic have a history of developing poised young big men. First Shaq, then Dwight Howard, then Noel? Our only fear is that when he reached his prime, he'd push his way onto the Lakers.
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Victor OladipoAndy Lyons/Getty ImagesVictor Oladipo's elite skills would fit well with a burgeoning Magic defense.

McLemore would give them a pure scorer in the backcourt. While Afflalo has the position locked down, McLemore is an upgrade who would give them shooting and athleticism in the backcourt.

Oladipo isn't quite the offensive player McLemore is, but he's the best defensive player in the country, an elite athlete and an emerging scorer on the offensive end. He's this year's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. No one plays harder in college basketball.

Questionable fits: Anthony Bennett, Shabazz Muhammad, Alex Len

The team is already filled with combo forwards like Harkless, Harris and Nicholson, making Bennett pretty redundant. While I could argue that Bennett has more upside than any of them, with so many holes, I'm not sure they'd go Bennett's direction.

Muhammad falls into a similar situation. With Harkless and Harris on the roster, Muhammad would be forced to play some 2, and I'm just not sure he can guard backcourt players in the NBA.

Len has a lot of upside and is a more polished big man than Noel, but his skill set seems to be more redundant next to Vucevic in the frontcourt.

Best fit: Smart

The Magic need a star to start building around. To me, Smart is oozing with star potential. He's still pretty raw. His jump shot is shaky and he can be turnover-prone, but he's a charismatic leader who works hard on both ends of the floor and usually rises to the occasion in big games. Putting him on the floor with the Magic's collection of young players would immediately make everyone better.
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Post#1246 » by Noonskadoodle » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:05 pm

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Post#1247 » by Skin » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:05 am

Yeah Noons, Go!

I think me and you are the only ones who want Burke more than Smart. Let's get that bandwagon going!
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Post#1248 » by IGotDaMagicInMe » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:06 am

How about zeke marshall as a possible 2nd round pick?
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Post#1249 » by Noonskadoodle » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:09 am

Skin wrote:Yeah Noons, Go!

I think me and you are the only ones who want Burke more than Smart. Let's get that bandwagon going!


hahaha I have been trying bud.

Really would like to see us trade down a few spots & target him while picking up another asset.
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Post#1250 » by Skin » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:34 am

Noonskadoodle wrote:
Skin wrote:Yeah Noons, Go!

I think me and you are the only ones who want Burke more than Smart. Let's get that bandwagon going!


hahaha I have been trying bud.

Really would like to see us trade down a few spots & target him while picking up another asset.

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