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Re: Trade Big Baby Thread 

Post#91 » by OrlandO » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:48 pm

DJRajX wrote:Btw, does anyone else feel like Glen Davis should be going to the free throw line more? I know we all get frustrated at his attempts to drive to the basket and force a shot, but he takes a beating/hack each time he drives, and he hardly gets any whistles. I feel like if Glen got more respect from the officials, and he drew fouls on more of his driving attempts, then maybe we'd all feel better about his shot attempts/shot selections. Just my two cents... it's something to take a look at in the next game.

I think you're partly right... he's not getting respect at times for the way he attacks the rim. First three games he had 14 free throw attempts... last three games he's had 3. If you go back to late last year, he was probably averaging 5 FTA as a starter and on some nights he was on the line 10 or more times. Part of it is no respect, the other part is because we only have JJ out there trying to put Davis into better positions. Once we get Nelson back, he'll get more opportunities to get an initial advantage on defenders and they'll probably make more obvious fouls. In any case, I really can't wait to see Nelson back to see if it helps BBD settle down more.
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Post#92 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:52 pm

OrlandO wrote: I really can't wait to see Nelson back to see if it helps BBD settle down more.


I think Meer means more to this team than people let on. There will be a difference on this team with Meer starting.
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Re: Trade Big Baby Thread 

Post#93 » by magicman123 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:53 pm

Big Baby is clearly the problem, every time he misses a shot the stock market drops...he's also responsible for the Deficit in America
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Re: Trade Big Baby Thread 

Post#94 » by Bensational » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:13 pm

Last Guardian wrote:Nicholson is inconsistent? And what is Baby? Consistent....ly bad and inefficient? Not sure I get that line of thinking. I guarantee Drew would do a lot better with Babys shot attempts than Baby does. He has a better shooting stroke, a big wingspan and better post moves.

If you want to harp on defense....well, we aren't winning anyway!


I like Nicholson and i'm all for him getting big minutes (or all the minutes) to learn on the job. Vaughn hasn't been giving him many minutes at all for whatever reason - and I don't think it's because of his offense or because he's young. Baby is setting the standard for the defensive end, and maybe once Nicholson shows that level of hustle/effort/performance then he'll see more minutes. I can only imagine that this is a lesson in patience, effort and doing what coach says for him.

Personally, I'd be happy to watch a Vucevic/Nicholson/Harkless/JJ/Moore lineup all season.
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Post#95 » by doct3r dr3 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:14 pm

^^ i'm doct3r dr3 and i approve this message.
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BadMofoPimp wrote:Reached for a 2nd round talent in Nicholson.
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Post#96 » by ADRajX » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:14 pm

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DJRajX wrote:Btw, does anyone else feel like Glen Davis should be going to the free throw line more? I know we all get frustrated at his attempts to drive to the basket and force a shot, but he takes a beating/hack each time he drives, and he hardly gets any whistles. I feel like if Glen got more respect from the officials, and he drew fouls on more of his driving attempts, then maybe we'd all feel better about his shot attempts/shot selections. Just my two cents... it's something to take a look at in the next game.

I think you're partly right... he's not getting respect at times for the way he attacks the rim. First three games he had 14 free throw attempts... last three games he's had 3. If you go back to late last year, he was probably averaging 5 FTA as a starter and on some nights he was on the line 10 or more times. Part of it is no respect, the other part is because we only have JJ out there trying to put Davis into better positions. Once we get Nelson back, he'll get more opportunities to get an initial advantage on defenders and they'll probably make more obvious fouls. In any case, I really can't wait to see Nelson back to see if it helps BBD settle down more.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the Nelson (and throw in Hedo as well) comment. They will greatly benefit Davis' game, and his ability to draw fouls & settle down more offense (not force it as much).
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Re: Trade Big Baby Thread 

Post#97 » by OrlandO » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:15 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
OrlandO wrote: I really can't wait to see Nelson back to see if it helps BBD settle down more.


I think Meer means more to this team than people let on. There will be a difference on this team with Meer starting.

When we were contending, one could argue he was not the right PG for the job outside of his allstar year. However, now that our talent level has dropped, he means more to this team than ever before since we have so many new, inexperience players as well as guys having to play bigger roles than normal. I mean how could we not improve with him back in the lineup? Right now our starting PG has 10 assists and 14 turnovers in the last three games and out of control Ish Smith is coming off the bench to back him up. These guys are supposed to facilitate the offense? PG is a significant position to downgrade as it impacts the entire team, especially when we lack stars. People really shouldn't be surprised we've lost 4 in a row. Not saying we're going to win a ton of games, but we're better than what we're seeing right now when healthy.
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Post#98 » by cmor42180 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:24 pm

you left out he smells like bacon
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Post#99 » by grayson11 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:25 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:You make it sound like he is just killing it out there. Tearing it up with all those moves and consistent offensive markmanship.

Not sure why Nicholson has to be "tearing it up" to warrant playing time on a rebuilding team. Besides, I'm sure if you gave most of our roster 20 shots a night they're bound to drop 7 buckets.

Don't get me wrong, BBD has a much better current ability than our young front-court. Only one concern with that though: we're not playing for the current title.
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Post#100 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:32 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:You make it sound like he is just killing it out there. Tearing it up with all those moves and consistent offensive markmanship.

Not sure why Nicholson has to be "tearing it up" to warrant playing time on a rebuilding team. Besides, I'm sure if you gave most of our roster 20 shots a night they're bound to drop 7 buckets.

Don't get me wrong, BBD has a much better current ability than our young front-court. Only one concern with that though: we're not playing for the current title.


True that. But, a coach also has to play for his job to and to keep fans in the seats so the owner doesn't lose mad money either. Hence, it would be suicide to throw rookies in there and lose by 20-30pts every single night and play to an empty arena.

BBD may not be great, but he is a solid NBA player who fans like to watch even when he makes poor decisions, it gives people something to talk about. BBD does put a few butts in seats. Hence, makes money for the owner.
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Re: Trade Big Baby Thread 

Post#101 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:01 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:Davis is great when he is in a reduced role. But we actually count on him to score.

That's correct. He isn't a superstar but theyll need big night's from him to win games because we don't have one. Especially now with jameer and turk out.

Nicholson isn't really getting enough mins to say he's better already. Put drew in baby's role and see how well he does.

That being said if the right deal were in place I wouldn't mind them moving baby.
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Post#102 » by G-Heel » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:06 pm

Big Baby is loser that hog all the shots, I was hoping we trade him as soon as possible before the rest of the league figure he's just horrible. I hope he will plays better and Hannigan is smart enough to ship him out the 1st chance he got, all signs shows slim hope for either.

"Leadership" lawd! On the other hand, the more he plays, the better our chances are for the number 1 pick.
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Post#103 » by OrlandO » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:15 pm

Maybe the coach is giving the rookie a lesson in humility. Starting him out playing garbage time will teach him what it's like at the bottom, so he works hard to never return there. If players leapfrog that phase, they may not appreciate the minutes as much. Unless you're a star, it's a privileged to play significant minutes, not a right. You gotta earn your place in this league because there is always someone waiting to take your spot. Nicholson will get his minutes in due time. His defense has been suspect, but we all know he has the potential to be lethal in the post.
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Post#104 » by Horcy » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:19 pm

MoMM wrote:This board is really funny. In the start of the season he would be our leading scorer, BBD > D12 and now everyone wants to trade him for a ham sandwich.



It's not even funny at this point it's pathetic :lol:
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Post#105 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:19 pm

OrlandO wrote:Maybe the coach is giving the rookie a lesson in humility.


Even Drummond, Lamb and most rookies in this draft class are playing less than 20 mpg. Most of them are not NBA ready. Players have to earn time on the court like everyone else. Obviously, these rookies are not good enough to beat out the players in front of them. And, I mean obviously to the coaching staff.
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Post#106 » by grayson11 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:08 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:You make it sound like he is just killing it out there. Tearing it up with all those moves and consistent offensive markmanship.

Not sure why Nicholson has to be "tearing it up" to warrant playing time on a rebuilding team. Besides, I'm sure if you gave most of our roster 20 shots a night they're bound to drop 7 buckets.

Don't get me wrong, BBD has a much better current ability than our young front-court. Only one concern with that though: we're not playing for the current title.


True that. But, a coach also has to play for his job to and to keep fans in the seats so the owner doesn't lose mad money either. Hence, it would be suicide to throw rookies in there and lose by 20-30pts every single night and play to an empty arena.

BBD may not be great, but he is a solid NBA player who fans like to watch even when he makes poor decisions, it gives people something to talk about. BBD does put a few butts in seats. Hence, makes money for the owner.

Yup, those reasons can't be denied. Everyone in the organization (including the players, JV, and RH) has their own reasons for taking up certain actions. But since I'm an unpaid supporter of this team, my preference remains as is. I don't get fired from being a fan just because I want the rooks to play. 8-)
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Post#107 » by Cigamodnalro » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:16 pm

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Post#108 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:29 pm

I loved it when the Commentators make comments about BBD when he is in the midst of taking a shot like "He didn't hesitate to take that shot" and I am just LOLOLOL afterwards. At least losing this way is funny.
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Post#109 » by OrlandO » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:00 pm

Cigamodnalro wrote:

Nobody wants him taking threes unless he has no choice, but I'll leave these here anyway... :lol:

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Post#110 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:28 pm

i just saw this and Laughed so hard at when he tried to run to the bench and the ref stopped him, then had to hold him up and the look on BBD face right afterwards.

Got to give him credit though. He was completely out of it and still tried to run.

For all the crazy, zany things he does on and off the court, BBD is a warrior and will do just about anything coaches ask him to do. He goes all out and you can't teach that to people.

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