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Post#346 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:02 pm by Bensational

Nicholson and Harkless will be starters by the all star game, i reckon. or, if not, they'll be averaging close to 30mpg. book it.

JV must be pretty good at getting a player's ear. Baby going for only 5 attempts, despite having a good night and having a perfect 5/5 game, means JV must really be able to cast a spell on his guys. i'm surprised Baby didn't take that as a sign to keep on chuckin.
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Post#347 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:06 pm by AdamTheGreek

Tough loss, but no shame in losing to an undefeated team right now. Rooks looked fantastic.





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Post#348 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:18 pm by Big Boss

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#Magic Mo Harkless: "I wish I would have played more in the end because I thought I was doing a pretty good job on Carmelo."


this doesn't impress me at all. whether or not he did play well (and, i agree that he should have played more), it shouldn't be up to him to judge how well he played this early into his career. i want him saying "coach said i did well", not "i think i did well". that's a sign he's putting his own judgement ahead of the team.

i don't really care, as i'd rather just throw him into the deep end, but comments like these don't make me think we've got the next Durant/Duncan on the team in terms of attitude. still... it's great to see him displaying some of that potential.

might be a bit harsh to say all that especially if you don't know exactly what question was asked so this quote might have been taken out of context. Me personally i think Harkless was absolutely right he did do a good job on Melo. What's wrong with telling the truth? is it hurting anyone?
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Post#349 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:20 pm by SmiteaDwight

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#Magic Mo Harkless: "I wish I would have played more in the end because I thought I was doing a pretty good job on Carmelo."


this doesn't impress me at all. whether or not he did play well (and, i agree that he should have played more), it shouldn't be up to him to judge how well he played this early into his career. i want him saying "coach said i did well", not "i think i did well". that's a sign he's putting his own judgement ahead of the team.

i don't really care, as i'd rather just throw him into the deep end, but comments like these don't make me think we've got the next Durant/Duncan on the team in terms of attitude. still... it's great to see him displaying some of that potential.


No offense, but this just outright stupid.

He was playing well. It was obvious. Just because Jacque Vaughn is the coach doesnt mean he wasnt once a basketball fan like the rest of us. It's not like he has superhuman basketball knowledge. It was OBVIOUS. The kid wanted to contribute and he was.

You want him playing through entirely extrinsic motivation? "coach said I did well"? I dont want to hear that, I want to hear him go out hungry to play well. There's a reason why were paying himn millions to play basketball, and that's because he can do it better than anyone else. He needs to have confidence in himself to do what he thinks is right, because that's what has gotten him here in the first p[lace.

Oh and by the way, you're comparison of Harkless to Josh Smith, Tmac and Rudy Gay on the other thread is horribly off.

All those guys came into the league with much more advanced skillsets than Harkless currently has, and were really all destined to become all stars. I don't believe Harkless has all star potential, and if he does he will be different player than those you mentioned.

Right now he needs to model his game after being a taller Ronnie Brewer with his finishing ability around the rim and defensive ability, Be cause he cannot shoot and has a very raw offensive game.
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Post#350 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:37 pm by OrlandO

Harkless is only 19... he's going to publicly say some things that should probably stay in his head. The good thing is we'll get some transparency for a while before he starts filtering his words more when talking to the media in the moment. From what I'm hearing, this guy clearly has a ton of confidence and believes he should be out there getting major minutes, and he backed it up with excellent play on both sides of the court tonight. Talent and potential can only get you so far, I'm digging his confidence and drive to succeed. He mentioned looking up to guys like Afflalo and JJ since they take the game very seriously, which I also like. He's going to put in the work and fight to start. I just hope JOCK doesn't hear this and then punish him for it by playing him much less the next game.
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Post#351 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:52 pm by I Rasharted

Managed to watch almost the whole game tonight (a rarity). Good one: competitive, young guys played well. All you can ask for.

A loss doesn't hurt either.
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Post#352 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:04 am by BaunceyChillups

SmiteaDwight wrote:Oh and by the way, you're comparison of Harkless to Josh Smith, Tmac and Rudy Gay on the other thread is horribly off.

All those guys came into the league with much more advanced skillsets than Harkless currently has, and were really all destined to become all stars. I don't believe Harkless has all star potential, and if he does he will be different player than those you mentioned.


I feel that Gay is a pretty good comparison to Harkless as a best case scenario
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Post#353 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:10 am by Big Boss

I think Nicolas Batum is a better comparison for Harkless. Same kind of long lanky body type and a great defensive player who is also effective offensively. Harkless is probably the better Athlete though
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Post#354 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:18 am by SmiteaDwight

Hark needs to learn how to shoot much better if he is to become anything like those guys. They came into the league knowing how to shoot. Hark cannot shoot.

Harkless will never become Rudy Gay. Batum is more likely but still a long shot because he came into the league a much better shooter.

I stand by my earlier comparison to a taller Ronnie Brewer.
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Post#355 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:19 am by arsenal6106

Reverse_Angle wrote:does anyone gets the sense that ayon might be tanking his way to Spain?



Ayon is a weird one. Maybe I'm being a little picky here, but he looks emotionally detached when he's on the court.
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Post#356 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:39 am by Clincher

Doubt you guys remember me but I was the Knicks/Johnnies fan trying to calm some of you down on what you got in return, specifically in Moe Harkless :D. Man he looked really good tonight in his brief action, I was happy he wasn't playing more vs us because he was doing so much damage around the rim.

He's going to show flashes of this every now and then year 1, but as I said before I think he will need a year's worth of time to get accustomed to the speed and full training/weight lifting needed to have a sustainable career in the NBA. I think you guys will really enjoy this kid's game when its all said and done.

Do Magic fans like Harkless, are intrigued by his potential? I still wish we had him on St Johns :(

As for the cheerleader fall....I cringed when I saw it. Hopefully the young lady is alright, seemed like she probably got a concussion for sure.
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Post#357 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:41 am by Bensational

SmiteaDwight wrote:No offense, but this just outright stupid.

He was playing well. It was obvious. Just because Jacque Vaughn is the coach doesnt mean he wasnt once a basketball fan like the rest of us. It's not like he has superhuman basketball knowledge. It was OBVIOUS. The kid wanted to contribute and he was.

You want him playing through entirely extrinsic motivation? "coach said I did well"? I dont want to hear that, I want to hear him go out hungry to play well. There's a reason why were paying himn millions to play basketball, and that's because he can do it better than anyone else. He needs to have confidence in himself to do what he thinks is right, because that's what has gotten him here in the first p[lace.


i don't want to hear a rookie talking like he has a place in judging whether he should, or shouldn't be on the court. and going by everything Hennigan and Vaughn have said, that's exactly where their heads are at too.

i'll admit, it's harsh and an exageration of this one quote from him, but my main point was that i wouldn't take that quote as a sign of greatness or him having a great attitude.


SmiteaDwight wrote:Oh and by the way, you're comparison of Harkless to Josh Smith, Tmac and Rudy Gay on the other thread is horribly off.

All those guys came into the league with much more advanced skillsets than Harkless currently has, and were really all destined to become all stars. I don't believe Harkless has all star potential, and if he does he will be different player than those you mentioned.

Right now he needs to model his game after being a taller Ronnie Brewer with his finishing ability around the rim and defensive ability, Be cause he cannot shoot and has a very raw offensive game.


Tmac's jumpshot didn't develop until a couple of seasons in. his efficiency as a shooter is what blew everyone away when he got his exposure with us. he was primarily an athletic wing before that.

Josh Smith isn't what i'd consider a good shooter, by any means. he's manageable, but he's far from good. if Harkless can't replicate that level of performance, then he's doing something wrong.

all those guys came in with length and raw ability. Harkless has the same, and his jumpshot isn't beyond correction. PLENTY of players have developed better shooting ability since joining the league. Kobe, LeBron have even made a transition from their early years as big slashers, to their later years as all round threats.
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Post#358 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:42 am by Clincher

FFBlitzace wrote:The Knicks are pretty good, but like the Nets, they have absolutely no chance of beating a healthy Heat team. Honestly, unless the Lakers can get straightened out, the Heat are likely to just waltz their way to another title, like it or not.

I agree but we did beat them on opening day without some pieces(Amare/Shumpert) to be fair.
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Post#359 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:47 am by MagicStarwipe

Some positive things tonight. I think we are getting back to what we did opening night. I thought JR Smith really killed us tonight. Maurice was incredible against Melo. Melo just could not get his shot up over him. Nicholson was just getting buckets, but he still has a ways to go on defense. Can't wait to get Jameer back. Even Turk, if it's the good version of Turk.
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Post#360 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:48 am by MagicTownBaller

Clincher wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:The Knicks are pretty good, but like the Nets, they have absolutely no chance of beating a healthy Heat team. Honestly, unless the Lakers can get straightened out, the Heat are likely to just waltz their way to another title, like it or not.

I agree but we did beat them on opening day without some pieces(Amare/Shumpert) to be fair.

To be fair, the Knicks play a lot better without Amar'e. I'll give you Shumpert though.
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Post#361 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:50 am by SmiteaDwight

Bensational wrote:
SmiteaDwight wrote:No offense, but this just outright stupid.

He was playing well. It was obvious. Just because Jacque Vaughn is the coach doesnt mean he wasnt once a basketball fan like the rest of us. It's not like he has superhuman basketball knowledge. It was OBVIOUS. The kid wanted to contribute and he was.

You want him playing through entirely extrinsic motivation? "coach said I did well"? I dont want to hear that, I want to hear him go out hungry to play well. There's a reason why were paying himn millions to play basketball, and that's because he can do it better than anyone else. He needs to have confidence in himself to do what he thinks is right, because that's what has gotten him here in the first p[lace.


i don't want to hear a rookie talking like he has a place in judging whether he should, or shouldn't be on the court. and going by everything Hennigan and Vaughn have said, that's exactly where their heads are at too.

i'll admit, it's harsh and an exageration of this one quote from him, but my main point was that i wouldn't take that quote as a sign of greatness or him having a great attitude.


SmiteaDwight wrote:Oh and by the way, you're comparison of Harkless to Josh Smith, Tmac and Rudy Gay on the other thread is horribly off.

All those guys came into the league with much more advanced skillsets than Harkless currently has, and were really all destined to become all stars. I don't believe Harkless has all star potential, and if he does he will be different player than those you mentioned.

Right now he needs to model his game after being a taller Ronnie Brewer with his finishing ability around the rim and defensive ability, Be cause he cannot shoot and has a very raw offensive game.


Tmac's jumpshot didn't develop until a couple of seasons in. his efficiency as a shooter is what blew everyone away when he got his exposure with us. he was primarily an athletic wing before that.

Josh Smith isn't what i'd consider a good shooter, by any means. he's manageable, but he's far from good. if Harkless can't replicate that level of performance, then he's doing something wrong.

all those guys came in with length and raw ability. Harkless has the same, and his jumpshot isn't beyond correction. PLENTY of players have developed better shooting ability since joining the league. Kobe, LeBron have even made a transition from their early years as big slashers, to their later years as all round threats.


You're comparing Harkless to guys who have good, fluid shooting form naturally. Harkless is raw offensively, none of those guys were ever raw offensively.

He's got alot of work to do and I think comparing him to guys who all became all stars is a bit premature.

another good comparison I can think of for Harkless is Trevor Ariza.
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Post#362 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:54 am by Clincher

I like Harkless as a Batum type too but again you guys have to wait a year for him to really get acquainted to the NBA. I still feel like he should have stayed for his Sophomore year at STJ.

I think he's got more potential than Ariza/Ronnie Brewer. I think his rebounding and post up game will be very good. Don't know if he'll ever develop that outside shot though.
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Post#363 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:33 am by T-Rob

it sounds like Big Baby is acting during that interview.
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Post#364 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:46 am by MagicStarwipe

Big Baby sounds like that in every interview. Not to say he's acting, that's just how he talks. Not to say he isn't acting either.
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Post#365 Re: Game #7: New York Knicks(4-0) @ Orlando M
Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:21 am by NickAnderson

Harkless will be Deng with no shot.
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