yardbarker

When and will nicholson take over the PF spot?

Moderators: Devin 1L, eyriq, Hilltop, Howard Mass, damo[23], MagicMadness

Where will andrew end up?

Starting by the end of the season
5
16%
Developing his game off the bench, building playtime as a reserve.
23
72%
We need to upgrade and keep him on the bench
4
13%
 
Total votes : 32

Post#1 When and will nicholson take over the PF spot
Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:28 pm by freespirit9

Lets be honest, big baby is not the future and watching him jack up shots and handle the ball in the post make me cringe sometimes. But hes been much better lately, and is our guy right now and for the forseable future?

But the more I watch andrew play, he seems to be our starting pf of the future. He scores in bunches when he gets minutes with very limited ISO plays ran for him. Usually catching in the high post and shooting a jumper or trying to drive. His averages per 36 are nice considering the lack of touches.

His defense is average and pretty bad against pick and rolls and cutters. But with a 7'4 wingspan and a 30inch vert, and 245lb build. he has room for improvement.

Most impressive is his footwork in the post, he seems to have a wide array of post moves and counters and gets his shot off pretty easily. I think he could really draw free throws at an awesome clip if he was used in the post more.

So with all that said, will he be our starting pf this year or next, or should we be looking for an upgrade at the pf spot ?
freespirit9
Banned User
Posts: 503
And1: 4
Joined: May 4, 2009
Top

Post#2 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:34 pm by Reverse_Angle

whenever nicholson deserves to start. you do not hand out a promotion just because he is a rookie.
Image

"Aaron Gordon will cost Henny's job by Dec 2016." Predicted Dec 2014.

"O'Quinn will have a longer and more successful NBA career than Nicholson." Predicted Jun 2012. Verified on Dec 2014.
Reverse_Angle
Analyst
User avatar
Posts: 3,745
And1: 213
Joined: Jul 8, 2010
Location: Keep those balls in the air!
Top

Post#3 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:41 pm by freespirit9

Reverse_Angle wrote:whenever nicholson deserves to start. you do not hand out a promotion just because he is a rookie.


never implied what your suggesting. but thanks for stating the obvious.i would however hand out a promotion to a rookie if he is the better option. and statistically hes playing better then the player ahead of him on a per minute basis. i did vote reserve tho, as big baby going to the bench would probably destroy his ego at this point.

Correction, glen davis per 48 is actually better. about equal per. hes rebounding more, scoring about the same, but less efficiently, and getting more assist.

but andrew hasnt been a primary offensive weapon, so the fact that his scoring average is about the same, would imply that he could produce more in glens role.
freespirit9
Banned User
Posts: 503
And1: 4
Joined: May 4, 2009
Top

Post#4 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:52 pm by MitchellUK

I honestly don't see it happening any time soon. Good as he looks offensively, right now his defense is atrocious, his rebounding is subpar, and physically he just doesn't seem ready for anything beyond back-up minutes. All of those things might, and hopefully will, improve over the coming months and years, but I don't see him being ready for a starting role and load this season.
Magic Board A-League Fantasy Roster:

PG - J. Wall, DJ. Augustin, D. Harris
SG - T. Ariza, A. Burks, G. Vasquez
SF - T. Young, C. Parsons, A. Wiggins
PF - T. Thompson, A. Bennett, K. O'Quinn
C - J. Noah, T. Chandler, S. Hawes
MitchellUK




General Manager
User avatar
Posts: 9,404
And1: 1,744
Joined: Apr 13, 2008
Location: Toronto
Top

Post#5 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:54 pm by AdamTheGreek

It all depends when/if Glen gets dealt. Andrew off the bench is doing just fine right now.
AdamTheGreek




RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 40,016
And1: 875
Joined: Dec 30, 2006
Location: Orlando/UCF. Always prefer Greece.
Top

Post#6 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:14 pm by rcklsscognition

Coming off the bench now is a great opportunity for him. He can spend the majority of the game on the bench, next to a coach telling him how not to play like Glen Davis on offense.
Image
McLemore: "I can say I come in with a chip on my shoulder. ... I can be an alpha dog and take over games." We're going to regret passing on him.
rcklsscognition

RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 14,454
And1: 815
Joined: Mar 23, 2009
Top

Post#7 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:31 pm by freespirit9

rcklsscognition wrote:Coming off the bench now is a great opportunity for him. He can spend the majority of the game on the bench, next to a coach telling him how not to play like Glen Davis on offense.


:lol:
freespirit9
Banned User
Posts: 503
And1: 4
Joined: May 4, 2009
Top

Post#8 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:41 pm by GameOver25

rcklsscognition wrote:Coming off the bench now is a great opportunity for him. He can spend the majority of the game on the bench, next to a coach telling him how not to play like Glen Davis on offense.


Image
Hilltop wrote:Jon Barry is the stain on the underwear of basketball analysis
GameOver25


RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 12,248
And1: 995
Joined: Aug 27, 2009
Location: "VOO"
Top

Post#9 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:57 pm by Def Swami

Not sure he'll get a chance to this season. Glen Davis and Al Harrington (when he comes back) are both ahead of him. If both get dealt, then yea. But, if a center comes back in return, either thru trade, free agency, or draft, I'd like to see us move Vucevic to PF.
Image
Def Swami



RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 15,226
And1: 2,901
Joined: Aug 4, 2008
Location: Orlandipo
Top

Post#10 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:15 pm by BadMofoPimp

I seriously doubt Nicholson starts this year. I don't think he will be a starting caliber player in the NBA, but more of a role player for instant offense. I hate to say Drew Gooden type of player as Nicholson has more potential, but he reminds me of that type of role player.

But Harkless, this kid could be very good. Once he develops the basketball I.Q. to learn the plays and structure of the coaches system, he could be a starter at some point this year. The thing holding these two kids back is that they are often out of rotation which hurts the system. This is probably why they may not be starters anytime soon.
Image

Provin Ya'll Wrong!!!
BadMofoPimp
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 34,416
And1: 3,982
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
Location: In the Paint
Top

Post#11 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:22 pm by Bensational

i like to think that Nicholson's smarts are what have helped him to develop a nice offensive game, and i think that once he applies those smarts to defense he'll be much closer to becoming a starter.

i also think that Rob and JV are making a conscious effort not to allow these rookies to feel entitled, so we don't end up with another egomaniac. so i wouldn't be surprised to see them on the bench, albeit upgraded to 20mpg status, all the way through til March.
RGM Fantasy B League

Conley/Knight/Burke
Rose/Chalmers/Sol.Hill
W.Johnson/Chandler/Bogdanovic
Love/Favors
Duncan/Lopez/O'Quinn


Image
Bensational



RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 14,254
And1: 1,381
Joined: Apr 9, 2001
Location: Sydney
Top

Post#12 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:29 pm by BadMofoPimp

I don't know. There are many rookies all over the league that probably deserve to start over these two. Heck, Drummond rarely cracks 15 minutes and he has dominated in some games. Just saying, people should not think that it should automatically happen anytime soon. Maybe, after the trade deadline, they may get a few more minutes.

If a rookie truly want to start, they should concentrate on lockdown defense before offense. There are tons of offensive players in the league like Wafer, Gooden etc etc.
Image

Provin Ya'll Wrong!!!
BadMofoPimp
RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 34,416
And1: 3,982
Joined: Oct 12, 2003
Location: In the Paint
Top

Post#13 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:01 pm by RookieStar

I dunno if he is ready yet. We need to showcase our glut on the PF so we can trade them anyway.
RookieStar

Lead Assistant
User avatar
Posts: 5,912
And1: 140
Joined: Jul 1, 2009
Top

Post#14 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:12 pm by Big Boss

Let him earn the time. I think developing him bit by bit will help him in the long run this season although i think next year it should be his position. With a season of basketball and an off-season developing his body and skills under his belt he'll probably be a beast next season and i can't wait to see how good he's gotten. Same thing with Harkless a year of experiencing an NBA season and working with the trainers throughout this season and the off-season will do wonders for him. Don't forget Vuc either people don't forget he's actually younger than Nicholson so he has untapped potential as well
Image

~I'm the only one that get the job done~
Big Boss
Lead Assistant
User avatar
Posts: 4,597
And1: 1,285
Joined: Oct 13, 2012
Top

Post#15 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:13 pm by craig01

Starting isn't important, what is important is that he warrants playing time beyond the normal developmental stuff.

I'd expect that's going to take a while
Basketball is driven by three principles:

1) Movement 2) Application of fundamentals 3) Predictability
craig01
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 20,368
And1: 221
Joined: Dec 24, 2005
Location: orlando
Top

Post#16 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:20 pm by MAGICian619

Anyone but Big Baby please.
THE TANK HAS ENDED! THE MAGIC WILL BE IN THE PLAYOFFS IN 2015!

********************IN HENNY WE TRUST*********************
MAGICian619




Senior
User avatar
Posts: 663
And1: 159
Joined: Jul 16, 2007
Location: Orlando, Florida
Top

Post#17 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:48 pm by freespirit9

bump because AN is the real deal
freespirit9
Banned User
Posts: 503
And1: 4
Joined: May 4, 2009
Top

Post#18 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:48 pm by InFlames

Nicholson is the future.
Image
InFlames



General Manager
User avatar
Posts: 9,675
And1: 2,206
Joined: Mar 15, 2010
Location: Orlando
Top

Post#19 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:29 am by BaunceyChillups

Not sure why defense matters when Andrew is a rookie and the team is tanking
BaunceyChillups
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,462
And1: 144
Joined: Jan 30, 2009
Top

Post#20 Re: When and will nicholson take over the PF
Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:37 am by thelead

BaunceyChillups wrote:Not sure why defense matters when Andrew is a rookie and the team is tanking

I agree. I would rather give more time to the young guns have them develop all while increasing our chances on landing a young star next draft (if there's one available this year).
Image

eyriq wrote:
I don't get the attachment to Harris. What about his game indicates he is anything more than just 'a guy'? The evidence for him being more than that just isn't there.
:nonono:
thelead

RealGM
User avatar
Posts: 13,906
And1: 3,182
Joined: Apr 8, 2008
Top

Next

Return to Orlando Magic


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: deggett, Jiwol, tiderulz