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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1231 » by tiderulz » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:46 pm

gp123 wrote:
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On top of that you can always sign a scrub to a big one year contract and have a big "valuable" expiring.


hmmm. Why don't teams do this more often? If you're willing to spend, and know you'll be making deals down the line, why not manufacture a huge expiring each season on a serviceable bench player that you won't hate to see leave?


like Dallas is doing right now? everyone on 1 yr contracts and their star is unhappy that he has no idea who he is playing with next year or how the team is going to get better. Dont have any players that you can really trade either, since a team can just get that player in the off season.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1232 » by thelead » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:48 pm

gp123 wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:[...]
On top of that you can always sign a scrub to a big one year contract and have a big "valuable" expiring.


hmmm. Why don't teams do this more often? If you're willing to spend, and know you'll be making deals down the line, why not manufacture a huge expiring each season on a serviceable bench player that you won't hate to see leave?


Teams did it last year (Dalmbert in Houston was one IIRC) . It will become a popular trend.
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Post#1233 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:57 pm

thelead wrote:If he can trade Hedo, Harrington AND either BBD or Afflalo for expirings this trade deadline (to have that type of capspace) he will win exec of the year.


I doubt he is shooting for this year.

I bet he is shooting for next years trade deadline when Hedo and Harrington are expirings that can also be cut to save cap space while BBD would have a year and half on his contract while and Afflalo's 3 years won't look as bad.

I think Henny is shooting for mad cap space in 2014, not 2013.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1234 » by gp123 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:01 pm

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like Dallas is doing right now? everyone on 1 yr contracts and their star is unhappy that he has no idea who he is playing with next year or how the team is going to get better. Dont have any players that you can really trade either, since a team can just get that player in the off season.


That's a little different, the entire team is more likely going to "expire" so they can sign someone in free agency. I mean keeping your 15th roster spot filled by signing a bench guy to an 8mil expiring... seems like a tax team like the lakers should be able to resign one of there scrubs for a huge amount using a bird exception or something, and then use that scrub to trade immediately -- they've got the cash.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1235 » by rcklsscognition » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:47 pm

We need to do whatever possible to be terrible next year.
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Post#1236 » by RYgoBOOM » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:58 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:We need to do whatever possible to be terrible next year.

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Post#1237 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:04 pm

RYgoBOOM wrote:Wiggins = bust!


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Post#1238 » by RYgoBOOM » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:38 pm

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RYgoBOOM wrote:Wiggins = bust!


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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1239 » by RickB-Orlando » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:56 pm

RYgoBOOM wrote:
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RYgoBOOM wrote:Wiggins = bust!


FIXED!!! 8-)

You'd be shot in canada if you said that!


I'm convinced that Wiggins is as close as you get to a sure thing and will become a starter, possibly a star, in the NBA.

I'm not convinced that tanking and hoping to win the lottery to draft him is a solid strategy for success.
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Post#1240 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:43 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:I'm convinced that Wiggins is as close as you get to a sure thing and will become a starter, possibly a star, in the NBA.

I'm not convinced that tanking and hoping to win the lottery to draft him is a solid strategy for success.


I don't think the Magic with Henny and Vaughn as coach can lose enough games to win the Lottery. There will always be a Bobcats or Wizards out there playing worse.
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Post#1241 » by caseyw20021 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:52 pm

what do you guys think about this trade for the magic

by caseyw20021 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:49 pm

as part of a post outlining potential trades the Dallas Mavericks could make to improve their standing in the Western Conference, Joe Kaiser of ESPN Insider suggests that they acquire Jameer Nelson from the Orlando Magic. Defense, particularly at point guard, Kaiser says, has been one of Dallas' weaknesses as it's stumbled to a 17-23 record, 12th in the West, and Nelson can address that issue.

In return, Kaiser suggests Dallas offer a package of point guard Darren Collison, swingman Vince Carter, and swingman Dahntay Jones to Orlando for Nelson. As the Magic have the league-maximum 15 players under contract, they'd have to waive two of those players in such an unbalanced deal.

Collison, who will enter restricted free agency in July, would be the prize of the trade. Now in his fourth season out of UCLA, the 25-year-old is averaging 12.9 points and 5.1 assists in 39 appearances. Long-term, dealing Nelson would enable the Magic to focus on rebuilding their point-guard rotation through the draft, where Kaiser says they could nab Michael Carter-Williams or Marcus Smart. Collison could also be an option if Orlando elected to re-sign him.
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Post#1242 » by trebone » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:00 pm

caseyw20021 wrote:what do you guys think about this trade for the magic

by caseyw20021 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:49 pm

as part of a post outlining potential trades the Dallas Mavericks could make to improve their standing in the Western Conference, Joe Kaiser of ESPN Insider suggests that they acquire Jameer Nelson from the Orlando Magic. Defense, particularly at point guard, Kaiser says, has been one of Dallas' weaknesses as it's stumbled to a 17-23 record, 12th in the West, and Nelson can address that issue.

In return, Kaiser suggests Dallas offer a package of point guard Darren Collison, swingman Vince Carter, and swingman Dahntay Jones to Orlando for Nelson. As the Magic have the league-maximum 15 players under contract, they'd have to waive two of those players in such an unbalanced deal.

Collison, who will enter restricted free agency in July, would be the prize of the trade. Now in his fourth season out of UCLA, the 25-year-old is averaging 12.9 points and 5.1 assists in 39 appearances. Long-term, dealing Nelson would enable the Magic to focus on rebuilding their point-guard rotation through the draft, where Kaiser says they could nab Michael Carter-Williams or Marcus Smart. Collison could also be an option if Orlando elected to re-sign him.



Since when has Jameer Nelson and Defense ever been in the same sentence without lack somewhere in it?

Also I am not that high on Collison as he is way to streaky and had many opportunities to start in the league, maybe to flip for a 1st to a team like the Jazz?
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Post#1243 » by RickB-Orlando » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:20 pm

caseyw20021 wrote:what do you guys think about this trade for the magic

by caseyw20021 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:49 pm

as part of a post outlining potential trades the Dallas Mavericks could make to improve their standing in the Western Conference, Joe Kaiser of ESPN Insider suggests that they acquire Jameer Nelson from the Orlando Magic. Defense, particularly at point guard, Kaiser says, has been one of Dallas' weaknesses as it's stumbled to a 17-23 record, 12th in the West, and Nelson can address that issue.

In return, Kaiser suggests Dallas offer a package of point guard Darren Collison, swingman Vince Carter, and swingman Dahntay Jones to Orlando for Nelson. As the Magic have the league-maximum 15 players under contract, they'd have to waive two of those players in such an unbalanced deal.

Collison, who will enter restricted free agency in July, would be the prize of the trade. Now in his fourth season out of UCLA, the 25-year-old is averaging 12.9 points and 5.1 assists in 39 appearances. Long-term, dealing Nelson would enable the Magic to focus on rebuilding their point-guard rotation through the draft, where Kaiser says they could nab Michael Carter-Williams or Marcus Smart. Collison could also be an option if Orlando elected to re-sign him.


So, the strategy behind this would be to trade Nelson (a key leader on this team) for Collison (a below average point guard with no future on a rebuilding team) plus two shlubs that would get no playing time(including Carter, who wore out his welcome in Orlando a few years ago), plus release (and pay) two other players, all for an opportunity to (a) improve Dallas and (b) give us another reason to draft a point guard.

This as opposed to (a) drafting one of said point guards anyway and then (b) shifting Nelson to a sixth man role (as well as counting on him to mentor that draft pick), in which many on this board agree he would excel.

Sure, sign me up.
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Post#1244 » by trebone » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:39 pm

Looks like Gortat wants Stan pretty bad per wiretap, imagine the fights between Stan and Beasley!
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Post#1245 » by Viper1500 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:44 pm

It won't be long until Stan begins coaching again, although I wouldn't want it to be Phoenix.
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Post#1246 » by Viper1500 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:45 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:We need to do whatever possible to be terrible next year.

Trading away Redick and Big Baby for youth and picks would be a good starting point.
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Post#1247 » by Noonskadoodle » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:00 pm

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rcklsscognition wrote:We need to do whatever possible to be terrible next year.

Trading away Redick and Big Baby for youth and picks would be a good starting point.


Hopefully the lottery is favorable to us this year. If we have a shot at McLemore/Goodwin/Bazz then we can try & get back into the lottery with a vet & target a PG like Burke.

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Vuc (Rebounding/Defensive Presence)

See how this young team does/grows & we probably end up with a high pick in the loaded 14 draft.
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Post#1248 » by Def Swami » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:30 pm

trebone wrote:Looks like Gortat wants Stan pretty bad per wiretap, imagine the fights between Stan and Beasley!

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Post#1249 » by Def Swami » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:42 pm

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Post#1250 » by thelead » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:10 am

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thelead wrote:If he can trade Hedo, Harrington AND either BBD or Afflalo for expirings this trade deadline (to have that type of capspace) he will win exec of the year.


I doubt he is shooting for this year.

I bet he is shooting for next years trade deadline when Hedo and Harrington are expirings that can also be cut to save cap space while BBD would have a year and half on his contract while and Afflalo's 3 years won't look as bad.

I think Henny is shooting for mad cap space in 2014, not 2013.


I agree but they were talking about 2013 free agents so I was just making a point on how difficult it would be to acquire those free agents.
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