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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1336 » by Darth Magic » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:36 pm

RYgoBOOM wrote:
Darth Magic wrote:Would you do this trade?

A Vucevic-Montajunas front court could be deadly goign forward


Houston gets:
Jameer and Big Baby

Magic get:
Lin and D-Mo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgs48v9

the rockets would never do this lol



The thinking is the Rockets are in win now mode and gt two vets who can help them make a legitimate playoff push. Lin and Harden both need the ball to excel, while Jameer can play off the ball and is a great shooter. Big Baby would add scoring, defense and rebounding up front. We take Lins large contract while getting D-Mo to add to our youth movement.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1337 » by shadrock » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:42 pm

shadrock wrote:Wondering if we could maybe squeeze a future first rounder (would have to be 2015 as they have traded 2013 to Minny) out of Memphis for taking on the contract of Marreese Speights for the next 2 years using the TPE(5 mil approx per season)? After looking at Hollingers analysis on his espn profile, its clear hes not keen on the guy, and it would be a simpler route to cutting salary than trading Gay.

For us, taking on salary that expires by 2014 is no problem, and if we get a pick, i say we should do it!

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1338 » by BrettC03 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:52 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:Yeah I decided to not be lazy and revisited the details of the trade. Thanks. On a side note, someone mentioned NerlenNoel....I don't know about that guy his scouting report reads eerily like dwight's. Needs to develop a mid range game, needs to polish his post game and add a go to move.

Just seems like a skinnier version of Howard.

If he developed a mid-range shot he'd be Ibaka 2.0
That'd be a great pairing with Vucevic if Vuc can develop some post moves.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1339 » by rcklsscognition » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:57 pm

OT but if any of you are fans of Chappelle show there is an absolutely epic article on it on Grantland right now.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#1340 » by tiderulz » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:05 pm

Darth Magic wrote:Would you do this trade?

A Vucevic-Montajunas front court could be deadly goign forward


Houston gets:
Jameer and Big Baby

Magic get:
Lin and D-Mo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgs48v9


I havent been that impressed to Montajunas to be honest. yes, i understand he is a rookie, still......
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Post#1341 » by NickAnderson » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:10 pm

Not a very bright future if we have Lin running our offense

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Post#1342 » by KingRobb02 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:10 pm

Darth Magic wrote:
RYgoBOOM wrote:
Darth Magic wrote:Would you do this trade?

A Vucevic-Montajunas front court could be deadly goign forward


Houston gets:
Jameer and Big Baby

Magic get:
Lin and D-Mo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgs48v9

the rockets would never do this lol



The thinking is the Rockets are in win now mode and gt two vets who can help them make a legitimate playoff push. Lin and Harden both need the ball to excel, while Jameer can play off the ball and is a great shooter. Big Baby would add scoring, defense and rebounding up front. We take Lins large contract while getting D-Mo to add to our youth movement.

It's sad when people try to make up trades under the thinking that every team that isn't tanking must be in "win now" mode. The Rockets are not in any hurry to win. Their plan is still to save money in order to lure a superstar big man. This has always been Morey's plan, and he continues to say so publicly.
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Post#1343 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:34 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:It's sad when people try to make up trades under the thinking that every team that isn't tanking must be in "win now" mode. The Rockets are not in any hurry to win. Their plan is still to save money in order to lure a superstar big man. This has always been Morey's plan, and he continues to say so publicly.


It is equally sad that once a team appears to be having a losing season that their fans assume they must trade all their talent so they can tank and pray to win the lottery.

Actually, how often does that really happen as teams rarely make as many trades as we think they do. In addition, teams rarely just "blow" it up and make mad trades.
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Post#1344 » by Viper1500 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:12 pm

Hell to the no on Lin, he's owed 15 million the year where many big free agents become available.
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Post#1345 » by magicman123 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:38 pm

Darth Magic wrote:Would you do this trade?

A Vucevic-Montajunas front court could be deadly goign forward


Houston gets:
Jameer and Big Baby

Magic get:
Lin and D-Mo

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bgs48v9


IMO that is awful for Orlando, Lin is terrible, and Dmo has not been impressive and his upside isn't worth trading Jameer and Big baby, dont like it at all
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Post#1346 » by jwise44 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:54 pm

Viper1500 wrote:Hell to the no on Lin, he's owed 15 million the year where many big free agents become available.

He isn't...he is owed 8.3 against the cap that year. He gets paid 15 million but it is only an 8.3 mill cap hit

It's the poison pill thing where it only would have been 15 mill against the cap if Knicks signed him...it's the same with Asik


I understand why y'all wouldn't do the trade, though. Just thought I would point that little point out (I actually think that jameer and bbd would be a better fit for the rockets than what we currently have at pf and pg but I don't think either team would say yes.
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Post#1347 » by Viper1500 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:19 pm

Did not know that, thank you.

Although I have been saying for awhile now that trading BBD to Houston makes a lot of sense for both teams. It really just depends on what they're willing to give up in order to make the playoffs.
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Post#1348 » by Versubio » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:36 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Versubio wrote:Yeah, its too bad. I think we won't get their pick until 2017. We get a 1st from Denver or NYK in 2014, which ever team has the worst record.


actually, the pick we get from Denver is from whichever team has the better record. We get the worst of the 2 picks.


Thanks for clearing that up.
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Post#1349 » by glennathan » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:38 am

Versubio wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Versubio wrote:Yeah, its too bad. I think we won't get their pick until 2017. We get a 1st from Denver or NYK in 2014, which ever team has the worst record.


actually, the pick we get from Denver is from whichever team has the better record. We get the worst of the 2 picks.


Thanks for clearing that up.


I can just imagine that year it is the Nuggets and Knicks in the Finals and we get stuck with a 29 or 30 pick.
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Post#1350 » by Immature Luigi » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:23 pm

J.J. Redick, an unrestricted free agent at season's end, wants a raise on his $6.19MM salary, but the Magic want him to take a hometown discount, reports USA Today's Jeff Zillgitt. If the team doesn't believe it can re-sign him when the trade deadline rolls around, Zillgitt won't be surprised to see the Magic trade Redick, since they don't want to lose him without any return.


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Post#1351 » by ZeusIsLoose » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:29 pm

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J.J. Redick, an unrestricted free agent at season's end, wants a raise on his $6.19MM salary, but the Magic want him to take a hometown discount, reports USA Today's Jeff Zillgitt. If the team doesn't believe it can re-sign him when the trade deadline rolls around, Zillgitt won't be surprised to see the Magic trade Redick, since they don't want to lose him without any return.


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F that! Trade Afflalo. According to Schmitz, it looked like Afflalo was pouting about being moved to the 3 last night against the Pistons. Classless. Man up and play where you are told. Could be worse. He could have come off the bench.

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Post#1352 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:46 pm

Afflalo played a strange game. Why I am not sure. He and JJ play a lot together during games so I don't know why JJ starting would suddenly cause him to defer too much and be so tentative.
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Post#1353 » by woosah » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:06 pm

ZeusIsLoose wrote:F that! Trade Afflalo. According to Schmitz, it looked like Afflalo was pouting about being moved to the 3 last night against the Pistons. Classless. Man up and play where you are told. Could be worse. He could have come off the bench.

Trade Afflalo and Baby


Is this from an article (Schmitz stuff) link? How would Schmitz know, did he travel with the team? That could be true i guess, but it doesn't match anything reported about him. His rep since UCLA is a great teammate and moving him to the 3 does nothing that doesn't occur every game since he and JJ play together quite a bit.

Classless? No, not his reputation:
“I miss him,” Nuggets coach George Karl told reporters after practice Thursday at Amway Center. “He’s a great pro. He’s a great person off the court. He’s very coachable, very easy to hang around (with) and talk (with). When you’re losing, he accepts criticism at a high level. He’s highly motivated...



Denver Nuggets coach George Karl said that in most cases when a NBA trade goes down, it basically results in getting rid of your problem player and ultimately ending up with a player that the other team couldn’t wait to get rid of. But, Karl said, that clearly wasn’t the case with Arron Afflalo, a player that he said could greatly help his Nuggets this season.

``Most trades in the NBA, for lack of a better phrase, you trading (expletive) for (expletive), but that trade was something that we felt we had to make to get better. But it was a sad trade because Al and Arron were major parts of why we have been successful here,’’ Karl said. ``Especially Arron, because he was one of the guys that we rallied around when we made the big trade (involving Carmelo Anthony). And (Afflalo) is just a great pro. And he’s a low maintenance guy and those are rare for 35-minute guys in the NBA.’’


High praise from a past coach, and the same type of comments here. Scott Perry is mostly responsible for Afflalo being here and knows him from Detroit, so attitude wise not much seems to have changed. Why would he get to Orlando and just change? Meanwhile Schmitz has a great rep of knowing what he's talking about concerning the Magic, right? smh

I do think something is up in the locker room, but no need to call him classless especially when no one knows what is really going on.
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Post#1354 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:15 pm

Take this with a grain of salt from Magical:

Magic shopping afflalo harder then JJ.
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Post#1355 » by ZeusIsLoose » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:19 pm

woosah wrote:
ZeusIsLoose wrote:F that! Trade Afflalo. According to Schmitz, it looked like Afflalo was pouting about being moved to the 3 last night against the Pistons. Classless. Man up and play where you are told. Could be worse. He could have come off the bench.

Trade Afflalo and Baby


Is this from an article (Schmitz stuff) link? How would Schmitz know, did he travel with the team? That could be true i guess, but it doesn't match anything reported about him. His rep since UCLA is a great teammate and moving him to the 3 does nothing that doesn't occur every game since he and JJ play together quite a bit.

Classless? No, not his reputation:
“I miss him,” Nuggets coach George Karl told reporters after practice Thursday at Amway Center. “He’s a great pro. He’s a great person off the court. He’s very coachable, very easy to hang around (with) and talk (with). When you’re losing, he accepts criticism at a high level. He’s highly motivated...



Denver Nuggets coach George Karl said that in most cases when a NBA trade goes down, it basically results in getting rid of your problem player and ultimately ending up with a player that the other team couldn’t wait to get rid of. But, Karl said, that clearly wasn’t the case with Arron Afflalo, a player that he said could greatly help his Nuggets this season.

``Most trades in the NBA, for lack of a better phrase, you trading (expletive) for (expletive), but that trade was something that we felt we had to make to get better. But it was a sad trade because Al and Arron were major parts of why we have been successful here,’’ Karl said. ``Especially Arron, because he was one of the guys that we rallied around when we made the big trade (involving Carmelo Anthony). And (Afflalo) is just a great pro. And he’s a low maintenance guy and those are rare for 35-minute guys in the NBA.’’


High praise from a past coach, and the same type of comments here. Scott Perry is mostly responsible for Afflalo being here and knows him from Detroit, so attitude wise not much seems to have changed. Why would he get to Orlando and just change? Meanwhile Schmitz has a great rep of knowing what he's talking about concerning the Magic, right? smh

I do think something is up in the locker room, but no need to call him classless especially when no one knows what is really going on.


He didnt know. he was implying that it SEEMED that he was pouting.
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