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Post#151 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:45 am by tiderulz

Last Guardian wrote:Can we end this trade Redick talk? It may very well happen but it is too depressing to think about. He should be Magic for life.


what is it with JJ and some of you. Career 9 ppg player. turned himself into a good role player, not a star but a role player, doesnt defend well, is a great shooter and now good passer. And he should be "Magic for life"?

Is it because he is a good looking, white player that people look at and say, with another 3-4 inches that could be me? I just dont get it. I dont hate on the kid, but i just dont get it.
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Post#152 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:45 am by tiderulz

MagicFan32 wrote:I would go all in for Tyreke, Sacramento is a HORRIBLE situation, the owners don't care about the team, they have no money and will be moved most likely. he needs a change, JV would be a great coach for him


a rookie head coach would be great for a head case player? Not so sure on that.
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Post#153 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:55 am by pogiro

tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:I would go all in for Tyreke, Sacramento is a HORRIBLE situation, the owners don't care about the team, they have no money and will be moved most likely. he needs a change, JV would be a great coach for him


a rookie head coach would be great for a head case player? Not so sure on that.


Honest question. How is Tyreke Evans a head case player? I've never really heard anything specific going on with him, just a lot of people labeling him that way. He's one of the guys I wanted when Dwight was still here.
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Post#154 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:54 am by Cigamodnalro

pogiro wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:I would go all in for Tyreke, Sacramento is a HORRIBLE situation, the owners don't care about the team, they have no money and will be moved most likely. he needs a change, JV would be a great coach for him


a rookie head coach would be great for a head case player? Not so sure on that.


Honest question. How is Tyreke Evans a head case player? I've never really heard anything specific going on with him, just a lot of people labeling him that way. He's one of the guys I wanted when Dwight was still here.


I'm not sure he's a headcase, so much as he's just a kid. There is more out there than the driving incident though. He and Paul Westphal clashed repeatedly and nearly attacked each other on several occasions, most famously after a loss to the Jazz a while back. You'd have to dig a bit, but I'm sure there's stuff out there on it. In fairness, Tyreke has never really had a role defined, and criticized that publicly on multiple occasions. Westphal was terrible in that regard (Note that JV is not exactly the best at defining player roles himself). I don't think Tyreke is dangerous at all, and the riskiest part of bringing him in is what he does on the court, not off of it. He's been in the league for a while now, and his jump shot is still very far from where it needs to be for him to deserve the sort of contract he's going to be looking for next summer.
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Post#155 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:09 am by trebone

He is not overly athletic, (Evans) and has rapidly declined since his rookie season, there is a chance he could return to that but unlikely after a few sub par seasons, at this point it is more realistic to see him as Beasley than Harden in terms of production. I actually liked the Stuckey reference because that is the type of player he is and you cant just take a chance at 10-12 million per especially on a rebuilding team such as ourselves for the HOPE that he regains it. A deal like that could set us back another 4 years of suckness.
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Post#156 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:17 am by RYgoBOOM

I am more aboard getting Eric Bledsoe then Tyreke.

Bledsoe IMO has more upside.....even though Evans is a very good player.
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Post#157 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:38 am by Cigamodnalro

RYgoBOOM wrote:I am more aboard getting Eric Bledsoe then Tyreke.

Bledsoe IMO has more upside.....even though Evans is a very good player.


Neither can really shoot the basketball. I'd rather have Bledsoe too though.
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Post#158 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:49 am by magicman123

Is Bledsoe the new flavor of the month?
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Post#159 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:50 am by Cigamodnalro

magicman123 wrote:Is Bledsoe the new flavor of the month?


Across the league, yes.
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Post#160 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:51 am by Cigamodnalro

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Post#161 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:00 am by RYgoBOOM

magicman123 wrote:Is Bledsoe the new flavor of the month?

6'1 195 Guard who can man handle most that guard him? Steals and blocks too? Kid is a future goat if the right opportunity arises.

If we could ship out a 2nd round pick, Tuan and Afflalolol I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't mind JJ starting if we had bledsoe because Eric deff makes up on D what we lost in afflalo
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Post#162 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:06 am by Cigamodnalro

RYgoBOOM wrote:
magicman123 wrote:Is Bledsoe the new flavor of the month?

6'1 195 Guard who can man handle most that guard him? Steals and blocks too? Kid is a future goat if the right opportunity arises.

If we could ship out a 2nd round pick, Tuan and Afflalolol I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't mind JJ starting if we had bledsoe because Eric deff makes up on D what we lost in afflalo


I wouldn't go as far as to call him a future GOAT, but he does have the ability to be a shorter, slightly less dynamic Russell Westbrook if given the minutes and the usage. The guy did not have a very good RSCI rating heading into college (seven spots behind Maalik Wayns), but has improved every year since. I think he can potentially be a star pointguard in the right situation, but GOAT is greatly stretching it. His jumper needs considerable work, and he's never really logged heavy minutes before.
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Post#163 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:30 am by Def Swami

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Post#164 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:33 am by RYgoBOOM

Cigamodnalro wrote:
RYgoBOOM wrote:
magicman123 wrote:Is Bledsoe the new flavor of the month?

6'1 195 Guard who can man handle most that guard him? Steals and blocks too? Kid is a future goat if the right opportunity arises.

If we could ship out a 2nd round pick, Tuan and Afflalolol I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't mind JJ starting if we had bledsoe because Eric deff makes up on D what we lost in afflalo


I wouldn't go as far as to call him a future GOAT, but he does have the ability to be a shorter, slightly less dynamic Russell Westbrook if given the minutes and the usage. The guy did not have a very good RSCI rating heading into college (seven spots behind Maalik Wayns), but has improved every year since. I think he can potentially be a star pointguard in the right situation, but GOAT is greatly stretching it. His jumper needs considerable work, and he's never really logged heavy minutes before.

Ya I did a little past research on him as well from any 23+ minute games and he would drop 20+ with 8 boards and 5+ assts.

Also had 7 steals in a game lol

Also, his 3 ball doesn't seem to be a killer? Right now he's shooting the 3 at 38% compared to Jameers 31%
And at 50% FG vs Jameers 40%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-nN ... ature=fvwp ;)
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Post#165 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:48 am by Zmill

trebone wrote:He is not overly athletic, (Evans) and has rapidly declined since his rookie season, there is a chance he could return to that but unlikely after a few sub par seasons, at this point it is more realistic to see him as Beasley than Harden in terms of production. I actually liked the Stuckey reference because that is the type of player he is and you cant just take a chance at 10-12 million per especially on a rebuilding team such as ourselves for the HOPE that he regains it. A deal like that could set us back another 4 years of suckness.


Bahaha you really think it is too late for a 4th year player that spent 1 year in college to turn it around? Interesting. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Mark Cuban and OJ Mayo will have to disagree as well. And I would say Mayo had even more trouble on the court than Evans did. And Stuckey's best year isn't as good as Tyreke's worst year so I don't agree with that comparison at all.

I'm just curious; how would Tyreke Evans at 10-12 mill set us BACK four years? It's not like we are building through free agency (although I can't say that assuredly, but that seems to be where all signs are pointing).
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Post#166 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:51 am by Zmill

RYgoBOOM wrote:
Cigamodnalro wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as to call him a future GOAT, but he does have the ability to be a shorter, slightly less dynamic Russell Westbrook if given the minutes and the usage. The guy did not have a very good RSCI rating heading into college (seven spots behind Maalik Wayns), but has improved every year since. I think he can potentially be a star pointguard in the right situation, but GOAT is greatly stretching it. His jumper needs considerable work, and he's never really logged heavy minutes before.

Ya I did a little past research on him as well from any 23+ minute games and he would drop 20+ with 8 boards and 5+ assts.

Also had 7 steals in a game lol

Also, his 3 ball doesn't seem to be a killer? Right now he's shooting the 3 at 38% compared to Jameers 31%
And at 50% FG vs Jameers 40%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-nN ... ature=fvwp ;)

I hope you're not implying Bledsoe is a better 3 point shooter than Jameer. Jameer takes 4 threes a game. Bledsoe takes 1 uncontested three a game. Use context. But yes I agree Bledsoe has a pretty nice upside and I could see him in the class of borderline all star pgs along with Lawson, Curry, Lowry, etc.
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Post#167 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:50 pm by RYgoBOOM

Zmill wrote:
RYgoBOOM wrote:
Cigamodnalro wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as to call him a future GOAT, but he does have the ability to be a shorter, slightly less dynamic Russell Westbrook if given the minutes and the usage. The guy did not have a very good RSCI rating heading into college (seven spots behind Maalik Wayns), but has improved every year since. I think he can potentially be a star pointguard in the right situation, but GOAT is greatly stretching it. His jumper needs considerable work, and he's never really logged heavy minutes before.

Ya I did a little past research on him as well from any 23+ minute games and he would drop 20+ with 8 boards and 5+ assts.

Also had 7 steals in a game lol

Also, his 3 ball doesn't seem to be a killer? Right now he's shooting the 3 at 38% compared to Jameers 31%
And at 50% FG vs Jameers 40%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-nN ... ature=fvwp ;)

I hope you're not implying Bledsoe is a better 3 point shooter than Jameer. Jameer takes 4 threes a game. Bledsoe takes 1 uncontested three a game. Use context. But yes I agree Bledsoe has a pretty nice upside and I could see him in the class of borderline all star pgs along with Lawson, Curry, Lowry, etc.

lol I was hoping most people would figure I wasn't saying Jameer is a worse shooter haha. I don't think Bledsoe's shooting is as broken as people are making it out to be though :)
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Post#168 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:21 pm by arsenal6106

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Post#169 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:10 pm by RYgoBOOM

I'd also like to throw this idea out there....

Do you guys see Brandon Jennings as a viable option for the future of our PG Position?
I love watching the kid play....he reminds me of AI in so many ways. I think his FG% would increase to 45+ if he were in a offense more like the magic are running.

The bucks seems like a treadmill 9th seed team so I can see them looking to get something for Bjenn before they let him walk. They didn't extend his contract this year to my surprise so IMO that screams that he won't be a buck next year.

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Post#170 Re: AW: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX
Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:24 pm by AhaAha

In my opinion jennings is not a player to build around. He can't defend the pick and role at all and offensively all he does is shoot jumpers...he still can't finish with his right hand around the rim..therefore has to go through his left all the time...
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