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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#16 » by drsd » Thu Jan 3, 2013 8:20 pm

GM Hennigan was hired specifically to deal with this mess in a context of the forthcoming details of the reality of the current CBA.

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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#17 » by Neato » Thu Jan 3, 2013 8:25 pm

the reference to payroll doesn't bother me much since the future looks alright
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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#18 » by damo[23] » Thu Jan 3, 2013 8:46 pm

You do realize we lost our star player to TRADE not free agency right?

Yes we have some issues on contract, but as a 50 win team (which we were, for multiple seasons) it was passable, since we are only half a season on and only dropped Ryan as considerable money to free agency ...
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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#19 » by thelead » Thu Jan 3, 2013 9:03 pm

damo[23] wrote:You do realize we lost our star player to TRADE not free agency right?

Yes we have some issues on contract, but as a 50 win team (which we were, for multiple seasons) it was passable, since we are only half a season on and only dropped Ryan as considerable money to free agency ...


Does your point make the stated fact any less true?
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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#20 » by Horcy » Thu Jan 3, 2013 11:04 pm

validity wrote:the reference to payroll doesn't bother me much since the future looks alright


Definitely, I can live with that too at this moment. At first I believed that this rebuild was going to be very long and hard. But now I see that we actually have some really good young players with good contracts and we'll have a lot of flexibility in the close future to acquire some stars.

damo[23] wrote:You do realize we lost our star player to TRADE not free agency right?

Yes we have some issues on contract, but as a 50 win team (which we were, for multiple seasons) it was passable, since we are only half a season on and only dropped Ryan as considerable money to free agency ...


Yes Damo, we also received a player in return (Vucevic, 22 years old) who broke Howard and Shaq rebounds record in less than half a season with the Magic. We dropped Howard, his huge ego and contract, and acquired a young center with a bright future.
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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#21 » by drsd » Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:43 am

SnuggLes__ wrote:Owner's should be able to ... give severance packages.


This does happen in the NBA. When players retire or if a player wants to move to another team as a free-agent, sometimes they are "Bought Out." That is a severance package. The point is that this power is on the player's side and not so much on the owners.
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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#22 » by MagicMadness » Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:06 am

At least Arenas' contract doesn't count against the cap, and he will come off the books at the end of next year. Now it's all about seeing if our new GM and the FO can refrain from screwing up the cap yet again...

That desperation Hedo/Lewis/J-Rich trade really sent us backwards, but luckily we're close to getting out of this mess. I mean, it was an interesting idea at the time, but substituting Lewis' bad contract for an even worse one was very likely to come back to bite us, and it certainly did.
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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#23 » by RickB-Orlando » Fri Jan 4, 2013 12:25 pm

drsd wrote:
SnuggLes__ wrote:Owner's should be able to ... give severance packages.


This does happen in the NBA. When players retire or if a player wants to move to another team as a free-agent, sometimes they are "Bought Out." That is a severance package. The point is that this power is on the player's side and not so much on the owners.

And this is the problem with the system. Players can demand trades, issue ultimatums, and force buyouts. Owners can basically only accede to their demands. It's a players league. The players do whatever they want, the owners generally make big money, the only ones that really lose are the fans. I for one wish the owners had just held out for a franchise tag similar to the nfl to help the situation.

I'm sure you didn't mean for this to devolve not another big market vs small market diatribe, so sorry about that.
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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#24 » by drsd » Fri Jan 4, 2013 6:24 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:And this is the problem with the system. Players can demand trades, issue ultimatums, and force buyouts. Owners can basically only accede to their demands. It's a players league. The players do whatever they want, the owners generally make big money, the only ones that really lose are the fans. I for one wish the owners had just held out for a franchise tag similar to the nfl to help the situation.

I'm sure you didn't mean for this to devolve not another big market vs small market diatribe, so sorry about that.



An excellent, articulate point. And ONE!


(for fudge-sake, the vet min for a vet. NBA player is over a mill a season: to play a friggen game!!!!!)

The franchise tag might not translate to the NBA. But Joe Johnson/ Chris Bosh type players should NEVER get a max deal. That must be fixed (IMsO).




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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#25 » by sublime12089 » Sat Jan 5, 2013 10:33 pm

drsd wrote:
RickB-Orlando wrote:And this is the problem with the system. Players can demand trades, issue ultimatums, and force buyouts. Owners can basically only accede to their demands. It's a players league. The players do whatever they want, the owners generally make big money, the only ones that really lose are the fans. I for one wish the owners had just held out for a franchise tag similar to the nfl to help the situation.

I'm sure you didn't mean for this to devolve not another big market vs small market diatribe, so sorry about that.



An excellent, articulate point. And ONE!


(for fudge-sake, the vet min for a vet. NBA player is over a mill a season: to play a friggen game!!!!!)

The franchise tag might not translate to the NBA. But Joe Johnson/ Chris Bosh type players should NEVER get a max deal. That must be fixed (IMsO).




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Simple, the teams shouldn't offer that. What is the player/agent going to say? "No, it is too much money." The stiff tax penalties should deflate contracts. And Chris Bosh at about 14-15 mil (IIRC) is not that overpaid. He doesn't make that much less than Hedo.
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Re: 7th Worst Record, 3rd Highest Payroll 

Post#26 » by arsenal6106 » Sat Jan 5, 2013 11:06 pm

Slightly OT:
Who would like a rule where a player you draft, his salary, only counts for a certain % of the cap space?

So a team like OKC could've possibly retained Harden and not have had to worry about a max contract messing up their cap space. It essentially rewards the teams that draft well and try to build a team from within.

This would help the smaller markets compete with the larger markets that have the advantage of getting superstars from FA or Trade.

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