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So Rudy Gay is available... We interested? Trade scenarios?

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Post#31 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Sat Jan 5, 2013 6:47 pm by Bensational

magicman123 wrote:lets see

A. We trade players and prospects
B. trade draft pick(s)
C. Pay Gay $20mil a year?
D. For a player producing like Afflalo?
E. For a Player that takes 17 shots just to score 18pts?

Don't see how its worth it, unless he comes dirt cheap


Rudy's performance this year is down on his averages for the past 5 years. his career numbers are significantly higher. i don't think he's suddenly on the downside of his career at 26.

Rudy isn't taking as many attempts inside because ZBo is back, which clutters the interior. Last season, Rudy was a leading scorer in the paint amongst SFs, ranking 4th in FGAs in the paint, hitting over 60% of those, and being assisted on less than 50%. Those are the kinds of numbers you see from LeBron, Durant and Carmello - guys who can legitimately create their own offense well enough to carry a team.

Ultimately, the biggest reason I don't think we target Gay is because he has the player option for 2014/15, and right now, the 2014 summer seems to be what we're gearing ourselves towards, given that all contracts seem to be ending then. If Hennigan has something planned, I doubt he would want to jeopardize that on whether or not Gay picks up his $20M option.
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Post#32 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Sat Jan 5, 2013 6:58 pm by Viper1500

This would definitely be an Otis move

Hennigan seems to be planning more for the future and less about the present. Highly doubt he pulls the trigger on this
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Post#33 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Sat Jan 5, 2013 11:53 pm by SmiteaDwight

If ALL we want to do is make the playoffs this year, i'd say do it, but players who hog the ball like Gay and take bad shots while not being a great passer can hurt the development of young teams. Gay's per is low, but as we are currently seeing in LA, the presence of others stars not only hurts one's overall production but it hurts one's individual efficiency, or per if you want. He would be one of the best sfs in the east.

Not to mention he mails it in on defense.

ehh, it would put people in the seats tho.
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Post#34 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Sun Jan 6, 2013 12:18 am by RickB-Orlando

Bensational wrote:
SEBAS-07 wrote:
Bensational wrote:Gay may not be worth the contract, but there aren't many other options out there via free agency or this year's draft. Who do people plan on pursuing if not him?


No one, ride it out till the 2014 draft. The only deal I would consider is Hedo and Al Harrignton for Rudy Gay; Mcroberts could also be involved.


ride it out for a ticket in a lottery for a bunch of players who are just as much of a gamble?

people get hung up about the potential of landing a true star, but the odds are heavily against you landing one via the draft.

i don't care if it's Rudy we go for or not (although, i'm a big fan of his game), i just want a player on this team i can get excited about. i couldn't stand watching this team for another season if Vucevic is going to continue to be the only bright spot.


I'm glad someone else said what I was thinking. Sucking for two years and gambling on hitting a top lottery pick that may or may not translate into an NBA player is not a strategy for winning. Trading for a young player hitting their prime that can score on their own, improve the team around them, and add to the building blocks that are already in place? That's a strategy I can get behind.
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Post#35 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Sun Jan 6, 2013 4:16 am by Viper1500

Like someone said, if it involves Hedo and Harrington and maybe throwing in some of those picks from the Howard trade, sure. But I personally am not willing to give up anything of value for borderline all stars who are making max money, which means our only hope will be by drafting and or trading to improve in the future. And this team would obviously be to good to draft all star talent. It's quite obvious to me that this is not the time to trade for mediocre all stars who will hold you back financially
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Post#36 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:38 pm by MostValuableGM

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Post#37 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:40 pm by MostValuableGM

JJ is almost as good as gone guys - lets be real - he's going to b a FA and the Magic aren't going to be the HIGHEST bidders - so lets send him to a playoff team - do him right - and lets take advantage of our best bargain piece
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Post#38 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:45 pm by tiderulz

MostValuableGM wrote:JJ is almost as good as gone guys - lets be real - he's going to b a FA and the Magic aren't going to be the HIGHEST bidders - so lets send him to a playoff team - do him right - and lets take advantage of our best bargain piece


why do you believe so, when JJ has come out and said he wants to stay? Henny has already given a higher than normal contract to reward the loyalty of 1 player.

Not saying JJ shouldnt be traded, but it isnt a guarantee that he is gone.
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Post#39 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:48 pm by MostValuableGM

Teams like Chaicago will make the price HIGH
You think JJ will seek short for a rebuilding process? I understand he is loyal but we have to get a STAR caliber player to have a chance - Gay with Vicciemane is a solid foundation
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Post#40 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:11 pm by BadMofoPimp

MostValuableGM wrote:Teams like Chaicago will make the price HIGH
You think JJ will seek short for a rebuilding process? I understand he is loyal but we have to get a STAR caliber player to have a chance - Gay with Vicciemane is a solid foundation


How does Chicago pay that high price? Unless they can move Boozer or Deng, they won't have any cap space. And, without Deng this team would be going nowhere. Also, Boozer is playing well while Taj Gibson still appears to be a bench player.
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Post#41 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:24 pm by Skin

Forget Rudy Gay. Not good enough.
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Post#42 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:35 pm by BadMofoPimp

Bensational wrote:
Rudy's performance this year is down on his averages for the past 5 years. his career numbers are significantly higher. i don't think he's suddenly on the downside of his career at 26.

Rudy isn't taking as many attempts inside because ZBo is back, which clutters the interior. Last season, Rudy was a leading scorer in the paint amongst SFs, ranking 4th in FGAs in the paint, hitting over 60% of those, and being assisted on less than 50%. Those are the kinds of numbers you see from LeBron, Durant and Carmello - guys who can legitimately create their own offense well enough to carry a team.

Ultimately, the biggest reason I don't think we target Gay is because he has the player option for 2014/15, and right now, the 2014 summer seems to be what we're gearing ourselves towards, given that all contracts seem to be ending then. If Hennigan has something planned, I doubt he would want to jeopardize that on whether or not Gay picks up his $20M option.


Ben is thinking like a GM here. Well done. Especially, the bolded part.
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Post#43 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:50 pm by Bensational

I posted this in another thread, but wanted to reiterate it here, in the relevant thread:


I've been getting frustrated with the amount of people who have been looking at Gay's stats this year and going "he's inefficient"... "only shoots 40%.." etc, etc. His career numbers have been significantly higher, and what's more, he performed well in the 37 games he played as the go to player for Memphis last year when ZBo was out.

W - L = 23 - 14 (60%)

20 PPG
17 FGAs
45% FG%
2.38 3FGAs
36% 3FG%
4 FTAs per game
77% FT%
52% TS%
48% eFG%

6.68 RPG
2.5 APG
1.7 SPG
0.8 BPG
2.62 TOV

25.4% USG%

Those aren't superstar numbers, but they aren't that bad. Compare them to Harden's numbers this year:

26.6 PPG
17.4 FGAs
45% FG%
5.2 3FGAs
35% 3FG%
10.2 FTAs
86% FT%
61% TS%
51% eFG%

4.2 RPG
5.4 APG
1.9 SPG
0.5 BPG
3.5 TOV

29% USG%

Now, Harden is a far better player, I'm not trying to argue that they are on the same page. But, the biggest difference there is the amount of times Harden gets to the line (which I think Gay could learn to bring to his game). If Gay got 6 more FTAs per game, at the same FT%, then that's an extra 4.5ppg right there, and suddenly the margin between the two doesn't look so astronomical on paper.

Gay is good at creating his own offense, and last season he was a top 5 SF in terms of scoring in the paint on unassisted baskets. Give him a couple more seasons of that and he'll learn to start drawing fouls, and he'll really take his game to the next level, IMO. Gay has also been a top performer in clutch baskets in recent seasons. The kid has so much potential, I think it's worth paying the $17M to try and get it out of him.

But, as I've said before, he would severely hamper our ability to add key FAs in 2014 if he were to opt into his mammoth $20M deal. Not sure how you'd work around that.
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Post#44 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:19 pm by BadMofoPimp

Ben makes him sound a bit exciting. Not sure $20 mil exciting, but exciting. If they take Harrington and JJ plus Ayon, it may not sound so bad for the future.

Works on Trade Checker. Maybe even through in a late pick.
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Post#45 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:48 pm by Skin

tiderulz wrote:
MostValuableGM wrote:JJ is almost as good as gone guys - lets be real - he's going to b a FA and the Magic aren't going to be the HIGHEST bidders - so lets send him to a playoff team - do him right - and lets take advantage of our best bargain piece


why do you believe so, when JJ has come out and said he wants to stay? Henny has already given a higher than normal contract to reward the loyalty of 1 player.

Not saying JJ shouldnt be traded, but it isnt a guarantee that he is gone.

If the Magic overbid on Redick then forget about this team getting better. It'll just be more of the same.

Meer's contract wasn't very loyal. Overpaid, yes. But not loyal. We're getting this year out of him but he may very well be traded this offseason. Next season he's an expiring contract and teams could be attracted by that. If his contract was in the $3-4M that's not as attractive as a big expiring contract like an $8.6M contract is. That is significant savings.

Hennigan wasn't very loyal to Ryan Anderson was he? lol JJ shares the same fate. Henny got his man in AA.

As for Rudy Gay, forget it. We don't have the assets to give them, especially without giving up our 1st rounders (which are going nowhere). ...and I don't think he's worth it either.
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Post#46 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:37 am by Javanar

Do not get a long term overpaid contract. Simple as that.
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Post#47 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:41 am by BadMofoPimp

Javanar wrote:Do not get a long term overpaid contract. Simple as that.


See Shard and Arenas as good examples. They both signed their contracts about Gay's age.
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Post#48 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:16 am by ~Snoopy~

seen WT ?;p

lol if this is true

they wanted love +/or pekovic
ahahahahh
gl with that :D
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Post#49 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:23 pm by MoMM

~Snoopy~ wrote:seen WT ?;p

lol if this is true

they wanted love +/or pekovic
ahahahahh
gl with that :D

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Post#50 Re: So Rudy Gay is available... We interested
Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:46 pm by BadMofoPimp

Well, Magic can forget about Afflalo and Hedo for Gay.
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