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Post#286 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Tue Jan 8, 2013 3:57 pm by BadMofoPimp

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JV is already showing he is a better coach the Stan.


Stan is a top 5 coach in this league. I know you have a mab-crush while Vaughn is good, but not great by a long shot.


JV is top 4 :)


Right now, his team is a bottom 4 team! 8-)
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Post#287 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:42 pm by rcklsscognition

I said it earlier, but Vuc is the problem in our streak. He is the reason our defensive rating is so bad. It's not McBob, his problems are a result of Vuc's problems, which is pick and roll defense. McBob is pretty much net zero on defense on/off court, but Vuv is -6, the team gives up 6 more points when he's on the court.

Vuc's problems on the pick and roll create a ripple effect that ruins our rotations. When Baby was in, he didn't have these problems, but now Vuc is being forced out to guard too often. Like I said, it was painfully evident in the Portland game but has been happening all season. Vuc either runs into one of our wings or allows the easy pass to the pick setter, which then leads to McBob coming over to help and leaves McBob's man over. From my viewpoint, McBob looks like a failure because he often fails at helping because he's put at a defensive disadvantage by Vucevic messing things up.
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Post#288 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:51 pm by BadMofoPimp

rcklsscognition wrote:I said it earlier, but Vuc is the problem in our streak. He is the reason our defensive rating is so bad. It's not McBob, his problems are a result of Vuc's problems, which is pick and roll defense. McBob is pretty much net zero on defense on/off court, but Vuv is -6, the team gives up 6 more points when he's on the court.

Vuc's problems on the pick and roll create a ripple effect that ruins our rotations. When Baby was in, he didn't have these problems, but now Vuc is being forced out to guard too often. Like I said, it was painfully evident in the Portland game but has been happening all season. Vuc either runs into one of our wings or allows the easy pass to the pick setter, which then leads to McBob coming over to help and leaves McBob's man over. From my viewpoint, McBob looks like a failure because he often fails at helping because he's put at a defensive disadvantage by Vucevic messing things up.


I see what you are saying. BBD is just a great team player that covers for other players faults. Still there are haters . . .
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Post#289 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:47 pm by NickAnderson

^ his pick and roll d does suck actually him and Nicholson are pretty bad. If they are our future frontline they def need to work on that but it isn't the only reason we are losing close games. Its mainly because we don't have anyone to close out games for us.
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Post#290 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:54 pm by BadMofoPimp

NickAnderson wrote:^ his pick and roll d does suck actually him and Nicholson are pretty bad. If they are our future frontline they def need to work on that but it isn't the only reason we are losing close games. Its mainly because we don't have anyone to close out games for us.


Ain't that the truth.
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Post#291 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:22 pm by magicman123

Vucevic is not the main reason why we are losing, sure he's had some problems on defense, but look at the rest of the team, and who we are starting next to him in the front court..plus we cant finish in the 4th
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Post#292 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:15 am by drsd

magicman123 wrote:Vucevic is not the main reason why we are losing, sure he's had some problems on defense, but look at the rest of the team, and who we are starting next to him in the front court..plus we cant finish in the 4th


The rebounding stats look nice, and he has some nice offense, but to get to a top-10 level many want, he really need to work on his defense.

The Magic is losing because a terribly disorganized SF rotation. The solution here is for Hedo to get healthy and confident.
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Post#293 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:03 am by Big Boss

rcklsscognition wrote:I said it earlier, but Vuc is the problem in our streak. He is the reason our defensive rating is so bad. It's not McBob, his problems are a result of Vuc's problems, which is pick and roll defense. McBob is pretty much net zero on defense on/off court, but Vuv is -6, the team gives up 6 more points when he's on the court.

Vuc's problems on the pick and roll create a ripple effect that ruins our rotations. When Baby was in, he didn't have these problems, but now Vuc is being forced out to guard too often. Like I said, it was painfully evident in the Portland game but has been happening all season. Vuc either runs into one of our wings or allows the easy pass to the pick setter, which then leads to McBob coming over to help and leaves McBob's man over. From my viewpoint, McBob looks like a failure because he often fails at helping because he's put at a defensive disadvantage by Vucevic messing things up.

Disagree with this, i can't remember what video but it was a practice video but it was recent when coach himself said that Vuc was in the top 3 defensively every game so far. I remember coach saying that they grade all the players every game that plays and said that Vuc was top 3 defensively every game at that point. So idk if coach is saying he's doing a good job then i'll have to go with him, Vuc is not perfect but i think he's doing alright he does need work in his pick and roll defense though.
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Post#294 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:06 am by tiderulz

NickAnderson wrote:^ his pick and roll d does suck actually him and Nicholson are pretty bad. If they are our future frontline they def need to work on that but it isn't the only reason we are losing close games. Its mainly because we don't have anyone to close out games for us.


Nicholson IS a rookie. and Vuc barely got playing time last year. This is where they hopefully learn and grow, with help from the coaching staff
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Post#295 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:06 pm by NickAnderson

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NickAnderson wrote:^ his pick and roll d does suck actually him and Nicholson are pretty bad. If they are our future frontline they def need to work on that but it isn't the only reason we are losing close games. Its mainly because we don't have anyone to close out games for us.


Nicholson IS a rookie. and Vuc barely got playing time last year. This is where they hopefully learn and grow, with help from the coaching staff


Agreed, I think they can learn it and be quite good actually because they aren't THAT bad for playing only 30 nba games.
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Post#296 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:06 pm by NickAnderson

tiderulz wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:^ his pick and roll d does suck actually him and Nicholson are pretty bad. If they are our future frontline they def need to work on that but it isn't the only reason we are losing close games. Its mainly because we don't have anyone to close out games for us.


Nicholson IS a rookie. and Vuc barely got playing time last year. This is where they hopefully learn and grow, with help from the coaching staff


Agreed, I think they can learn it and be quite good actually because they aren't THAT bad for playing only 30 nba games.
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Post#297 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:37 pm by Mule Tears

You guys should be happy we are losing. We need a good draft pick + good player so we arent the next Bucks/Hawks/Nets for the next 10 years.
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Post#298 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:06 pm by BadMofoPimp

Mule Tears wrote:You guys should be happy we are losing. We need a good draft pick + good player so we arent the next Bucks/Hawks/Nets for the next 10 years.


True, the Magic could strike out in the draft and end up the Bobcats or worse for the next 10 years.

You are correct, it could get worse. Sure, lets keep on losing so the Magic can pray to be one of 10 teams tanking and praying to get one out of ten players that will make a freakin difference. It is not like any single one of them is a guaranteed superstar. At best, 90% will be as good as Afflalo. So, lets try to lose for another 10 years and maybe strike gold with another Dwight. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Post#299 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:58 pm by thelead

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Mule Tears wrote:You guys should be happy we are losing. We need a good draft pick + good player so we arent the next Bucks/Hawks/Nets for the next 10 years.


True, the Magic could strike out in the draft and end up the Bobcats or worse for the next 10 years.

You are correct, it could get worse. Sure, lets keep on losing so the Magic can pray to be one of 10 teams tanking and praying to get one out of ten players that will make a freakin difference. It is not like any single one of them is a guaranteed superstar. At best, 90% will be as good as Afflalo. So, lets try to lose for another 10 years and maybe strike gold with another Dwight. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


So you don't trust Hennigan and his staff to make the right draft choice with a high lotto pick? If our GM drafts like Milwaukee, we're screwed regardless of what we do.
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Post#300 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:14 pm by BadMofoPimp

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Mule Tears wrote:You guys should be happy we are losing. We need a good draft pick + good player so we arent the next Bucks/Hawks/Nets for the next 10 years.


True, the Magic could strike out in the draft and end up the Bobcats or worse for the next 10 years.

You are correct, it could get worse. Sure, lets keep on losing so the Magic can pray to be one of 10 teams tanking and praying to get one out of ten players that will make a freakin difference. It is not like any single one of them is a guaranteed superstar. At best, 90% will be as good as Afflalo. So, lets try to lose for another 10 years and maybe strike gold with another Dwight. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


So you don't trust Hennigan and his staff to make the right draft choice with a high lotto pick? If our GM drafts like Milwaukee, we're screwed regardless of what we do.


Its not just that, but players who look good in college don't always translate to success in the Pro's. It is like one out of 10 become Franchise players. Henny may end up picking up a player everyone wants, but ends up being a dud. It happens 9 times out of 10 while it may not be Henny's fault. Should just call this team the Orlando Bobcats because one player is not going to change this team unless it is a superstar. I would rather just build this team with smart cap management and solid role players in the draft instead of praying for a Superstar every year like we did before Shaq and Dwight for 10 years at a time.
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Post#301 Re: Magic vs Blazers 10pm EST
Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:18 pm by thelead

BadMofoPimp wrote:Its not just that, but players who look good in college don't always translate to success in the Pro's. It is like one out of 10 become Franchise players. Henny may end up picking up a player everyone wants, but ends up being a dud. It happens 9 times out of 10 while it may not be Henny's fault. Should just call this team the Orlando Bobcats because one player is not going to change this team unless it is a superstar. I would rather just build this team with smart cap management and solid role players in the draft instead of praying for a Superstar every year like we did before Shaq and Dwight for 10 years at a time.


Eh, I'll take those chances instead of being the Nuggets/Pacers who aren't winning a damn thing anytime soon.
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