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Re: Redick receiving interest from teams 

Post#151 » by drsd » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:33 am

shadrock wrote:Atl also own houstons 2013 first and brooklyns 2014/2015 firsts, so a bit of ammo there...




To recap on the meaning, this would have Orlando selecting in 2003 at around #8 and #16. In 2014, along with the Magic's own selection, let's call it #13, the New-York-2's at around #20, and the Magic get a lower pick from Denver, perhaps #24.

Trading Redick for John Jenkins and the Houston 2013 and Brooklyn 2014 pick ensures that the Magic will have a wealth of youth.

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Re: Redick receiving interest from teams 

Post#152 » by MagicFan32 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:22 am

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Bensational wrote:Redick seems much more influential over our W's and L's than Afflalo.

in W's, Redick averages 18ppg on 52%fg and 48%3fg, along with 2.6rpg and 5.2apg in 31.6mpg
in W's, Afflalo averages 18ppg on 48%fg and 47%3fg, along with 4.7rpg and 2.8apg in 37.4mpg

in L's, Redick averages 12.5ppg on 40% and 32%, 2.1rpg, 3.8apg in 30mpg
in L's, Afflalo averages 17ppg on 43% and 28%, 3.2rpg, 3apg in 37.4mpg

in some ways, i'll be annoyed if we trade JJ only to retain Afflalo. i like AA, but i feel like JJ has really been dogged his dues. AA isn't any kind of significant upgrade, and he's not having a significant breakout that i'd imagine the Magic would have liked. give JJ 36mpg and the freedom to put up as many shots as he wants, and i'm sure you'd see just as much of a breakout, if not a bigger one.

I won't be.

Afflalo can get his own shot, while he is frustrating at times, if we had a real franchise player, he would look a hell of alot better to us, i think his last 15 he is averaging 20 ppg, he also has a good contract and only 27, JJ quite possibly is going to get paid more than Afflalo. Afflalo frustrates us because he's being asked to do to much, JJ has similar issues but people overlook them alot more


AA is putting up 20ppg because he's getting the shots and the minutes. He isn't producing any more than JJ is capable of doing.

If we had a franchise player and a legit #2, then AA's ability to find his own shot isn't as valuable as JJ's ability to find an open man. Besides, JJ can create his own shots at times too.

AA's a year younger than JJ, and who knows what JJ's pay will be?

Afflalo has been averaging 19 ppg for two months now, shooting 46% this is not meant to disparage JJ but JJ can't really get his own shot very much, JJ also gets some easier matchups by coming off the bench. but JJ tries to do to much like Afflalo does to, and people here completely ignore it, while magnifying every Afflalo mistake.

Afflalo is the no.5 scoring 2 guard in the league and if he keeps up his last 2 months, his PPG would be 1 behind the no.3 2 guard, Dwayne Wade, I'm not sure how you cannot consider him "legit" he is a legitimate starting 2 in the league and a good one who got off to a bad start
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Re: Redick receiving interest from teams 

Post#153 » by Bigmagicfan82 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:16 pm

Magic Give:
JJ Redick, Josh McRoberts, Jameer Nelson , Gustavo Ayon

Magic Get:
Raymon Sessions, Ben Gordon (Contract ends next year), Gerald Henderson, Blazers 2013 1st round pick (Owned by Bobcats), Memphis 2014 1st Round pick

Memphis Gives:
Rudy gay, 2014 1st Round pick

Memphis gets:
JJ Redick, Josh McRoberts, DeSagana Diop


Bobcats give:
Raymon Sessions, Ben Gordon, Gerald Henderson, DeSagana Diop, and the Blazers 2013 1st round pick.

Bobcats get:
Rudy Gay , Jameer Nelson, Gustavo Ayon
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Re: Redick receiving interest from teams 

Post#154 » by tiderulz » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:40 pm

Bigmagicfan82 wrote:Magic Give:
JJ Redick, Josh McRoberts, Jameer Nelson , Gustavo Ayon

Magic Get:
Raymon Sessions, Ben Gordon (Contract ends next year), Gerald Henderson, Blazers 2013 1st round pick (Owned by Bobcats), Memphis 2014 1st Round pick

Memphis Gives:
Rudy gay, 2014 1st Round pick

Memphis gets:
JJ Redick, Josh McRoberts, DeSagana Diop


Bobcats give:
Raymon Sessions, Ben Gordon, Gerald Henderson, DeSagana Diop, and the Blazers 2013 1st round pick.

Bobcats get:
Rudy Gay , Jameer Nelson, Gustavo Ayon


as of right now, Memphis owes their 2013 pick so i dont think they can trade their 2014 1st rounder.
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Re: Redick receiving interest from teams 

Post#155 » by Bensational » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:12 pm

MagicFan32 wrote:
Bensational wrote:AA is putting up 20ppg because he's getting the shots and the minutes. He isn't producing any more than JJ is capable of doing.

If we had a franchise player and a legit #2, then AA's ability to find his own shot isn't as valuable as JJ's ability to find an open man. Besides, JJ can create his own shots at times too.

AA's a year younger than JJ, and who knows what JJ's pay will be?

Afflalo has been averaging 19 ppg for two months now, shooting 46% this is not meant to disparage JJ but JJ can't really get his own shot very much, JJ also gets some easier matchups by coming off the bench. but JJ tries to do to much like Afflalo does to, and people here completely ignore it, while magnifying every Afflalo mistake.

Afflalo is the no.5 scoring 2 guard in the league and if he keeps up his last 2 months, his PPG would be 1 behind the no.3 2 guard, Dwayne Wade, I'm not sure how you cannot consider him "legit" he is a legitimate starting 2 in the league and a good one who got off to a bad start


AA has been getting the minutes, and the shots. he plays 37mpg compared to JJ's 31. he gets 14.5 FGAs compared to JJ's 11.5. that, right there, is the disparity. JJ is ranked 16th, and he's playing fewer minutes and taking fewer attempts.

JJ has had 25 games where he played 30-39mpg. in those, he averages 34mpg, 16.8ppg on 12FGAs, shooting 47% and 38%. He also chips in 4.9apg.

JJ also outperforms AA in PPS and PPP. JJ is ranked 48th in the league for Points Per Possession, and AA is ranked 120th. JJ's the 10th best spot up shooter in the league. AA doesn't crack the top 40 in any particular area. JJ's also a better defender in terms of PPP allowed. he ranks 106th, compared to AA's 220th. (bragging aside, I was really suprised to note that JJ is also ranked as the 13th best defender on isolation plays. AA is ranked 60th, and that's not bad, either, IMO.)

i think you took my "legit #2" comment the wrong way. i meant legit #2 option, not a legit 2 guard. AA is certainly legit, i don't question that at all. my point was that he's not good enough, IMO, to be a top 2 option on a championship team. and if you've got 2 top options that are taking away shots from him, i wonder if his strength, his efficient shooting, becomes somewhat nullified?

again, please let me qualify that i like AA. i'm not against him in any way. i just think JJ has more than earned his time to be a starter here, and AA isn't doing enough to warrant him not getting that opportunity - yet. JJ may play beyond his abilities sometimes, sure, but i think people give him a pass because he's also far more likely to make a smart play to make up for that.
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Re: Redick receiving interest from teams 

Post#156 » by Bensational » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:14 pm

Bigmagicfan82 wrote:Magic Give:
JJ Redick, Josh McRoberts, Jameer Nelson , Gustavo Ayon

Magic Get:
Raymon Sessions, Ben Gordon (Contract ends next year), Gerald Henderson, Blazers 2013 1st round pick (Owned by Bobcats), Memphis 2014 1st Round pick

Memphis Gives:
Rudy gay, 2014 1st Round pick

Memphis gets:
JJ Redick, Josh McRoberts, DeSagana Diop


Bobcats give:
Raymon Sessions, Ben Gordon, Gerald Henderson, DeSagana Diop, and the Blazers 2013 1st round pick.

Bobcats get:
Rudy Gay , Jameer Nelson, Gustavo Ayon


i'd rather take on Rudy Gay than a late lottery pick from the Blazers in a weak draft, and more duplicity at the 2 spot (AA/Gordon/Henderson is way too crowded). i like Sessions, but i feel like if we wanted him, we would have signed him this summer.
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Re: Redick receiving interest from teams 

Post#157 » by Potterman » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:29 pm

All this talk about trading JJ why can't we trade AA?

I just don't see the value in trading JJ unless we get back an expiring and a 1st (maybe top 5 protected?) rounder. All these elaborate trades just don't make any sense for us and seem more for win now or get that 1/2 scoring option we need now we takes us out of contention in the rebuilding game and straight into mediocrity.

No doubt in my mind JJ does get his points more in the flow of the game and I think that helps the team all around. While AA is more isolation and the ball seems to die with him. I would like to see AA traded, and JJ somehow retained for a similar contract to what he has now. I realize that likely isn't possible.

If we trade JJ this year. I dont see AA lasting through next year. Just a prediction.
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Re: Redick receiving interest from teams 

Post#158 » by Ballah » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:00 am

Because a lot of teams are expressing interest in JJ.
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Post#159 » by thelead » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:12 am

Ballah wrote:Because a lot of teams are expressing interest in JJ.


And JJ can walk and leave us with nothing
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Post#160 » by rcklsscognition » Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:30 am

thelead wrote:
Ballah wrote:Because a lot of teams are expressing interest in JJ.


And JJ can walk and leave us with nothing


We should trade them both, but he's right, pressing issue now is JJ, since he can bolt. I'd like to move AA too because I feel he's too discontent with losing and is a bad tank commander.
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Post#161 » by Nyce_1 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:03 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
thelead wrote:
Ballah wrote:Because a lot of teams are expressing interest in JJ.


And JJ can walk and leave us with nothing


We should trade them both, but he's right, pressing issue now is JJ, since he can bolt. I'd like to move AA too because I feel he's too discontent with losing and is a bad tank commander.

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Post#162 » by Orium » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:14 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
thelead wrote:
Ballah wrote:Because a lot of teams are expressing interest in JJ.


And JJ can walk and leave us with nothing


We should trade them both, but he's right, pressing issue now is JJ, since he can bolt. I'd like to move AA too because I feel he's too discontent with losing and is a bad tank commander.


I agree, AA doesn't seem terribly happy to be a Magician. I wouldn't put too many eggs in that basket.
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Post#163 » by drsd » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:20 pm

Orium wrote:I agree, AA doesn't seem terribly happy to be a Magician.


I strongly disagree. What I see in Mr. Afflalo is a hyper competitor that hates losing. Every loss he takes on himself and looks to his game to try to do his part to gain wins. That is a very positive thing in a player.
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Post#164 » by Orium » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:29 pm

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Orium wrote:I agree, AA doesn't seem terribly happy to be a Magician.


I strongly disagree. What I see in Mr. Afflalo is a hyper competitor that hates losing. Every loss he takes on himself and looks to his game to try to do his part to gain wins. That is a very positive thing in a player.


I didn't say it was reflected in his play.. merely that he doesn't want to be on a rebuilding team.
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Post#165 » by Cigamodnalro » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:55 pm

J.J. Redick, an unrestricted free agent at season's end, wants a raise on his $6.19MM salary, but the Magic want him to take a hometown discount, reports USA Today's Jeff Zillgitt. If the team doesn't believe it can re-sign him when the trade deadline rolls around, Zillgitt won't be surprised to see the Magic trade Redick, since they don't want to lose him without any return.


http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/01/odds-ends--3.html

Redick's future with Magic should be determined soon

Orlando Magic guard J.J. Redick loves Orlando. His wife, Chelsea, loves Orlando. She grew up in Florida and graduated from the University of Central Florida in Orlando. They don't want to move. They will if they have to.

And they should find out soon if they are staying in the area for the next few seasons or re-locating for future NBA seasons.

Redick is in the final year of his three-year, $19.6 million deal that pays him $6.19 million this season. Preferably, Redick wants to remain with the Magic, with whom he has spent his seven NBA seasons and emerged as a more than serviceable shooting guard.

But Redick also wants a raise. How much are the rebuilding Magic willing to pay Redick? Or the better question is: how much is Redick willing to accept to remain with Orlando?

Will Orlando get a hometown discount from Redick and keep him? That's what the Magic are in the process of finding out.

There is strong interest from around the league in Redick, a career 39.7% three-point shooter. He is a decent drive-and-kick player and while not considered a defensive stopper, he is not the defensive liability he was earlier in his career, thanks to prodding from former Magic coach Stan Van Gundy.

If it emerges that Redick and Orlando can't find common ground on a salary, don't be surprised if the Magic trade him by the Feb. 21 trade deadline. If the Magic can't keep him, they want to get something for him.


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Post#166 » by magicman123 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:34 pm

If Redick leaves, the Magic should start over, Relocate to New Mexico and change their name to the Chili Peppers

Jk, should be an interesting deadline for the magic, I expect lots of trade talks and a few moves
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Post#167 » by msmoore66 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:42 pm

Eff it, I have been trying to think rationally, trying to accept that trading JJ would be a good prudent move for us.
But screw it, sports is not only about money, numbers and efficiency, there is also emotion and I want us to keep the hardest working player in the NBA, JJ has been Magic through and through the past few years, lets keep it that way.
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Post#168 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:59 pm

msmoore66 wrote:Eff it, I have been trying to think rationally, trying to accept that trading JJ would be a good prudent move for us.
But screw it, sports is not only about money, numbers and efficiency, there is also emotion and I want us to keep the hardest working player in the NBA, JJ has been Magic through and through the past few years, lets keep it that way.


I remember a year and a half ago team reps telling me while I was in the Magic training room that JJ was pound for pound the strongest player on the team. Just saying. He is just a player that does whatever the team asks him to do while being a leader on the team.
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Post#169 » by msmoore66 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:33 pm

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msmoore66 wrote:Eff it, I have been trying to think rationally, trying to accept that trading JJ would be a good prudent move for us.
But screw it, sports is not only about money, numbers and efficiency, there is also emotion and I want us to keep the hardest working player in the NBA, JJ has been Magic through and through the past few years, lets keep it that way.


I remember a year and a half ago team reps telling me while I was in the Magic training room that JJ was pound for pound the strongest player on the team. Just saying. He is just a player that does whatever the team asks him to do while being a leader on the team.



Yeah I remember you posting about that actually. Work ethics like that are hard to come by. He has too much connection to Orlando and effectively represents the mold for the type of player this team wants. JJ MUST STAY.
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Post#170 » by Orium » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:07 pm

I think we'd all choose Redick over Afflalo, but at what price? That last story implies that we're already out of the running financially and are hoping JJ gives us a discount so we can keep him. If he decides he wants the money, it's time to trade him. I don't care who the player is, overpaying never ends well for a team.

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