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Bensational wrote:taimaishu wrote:I think Orlando needs about 5 more pieces.
we need a franchise player, that's for sure. and then a legit 2nd star to partner with him.
at least we can admit we're in full rebuild mode. i'm not sure how Dallas has a path back to the championship unless you get lucky with a big FA signing.
Birth of the Cool wrote:Kaman in person is even more disturbing to watch. I felt my seat inching ever so slowing towards his black hole gravitational pull. Luckily RC finally pulled him before my row was devoured by Galactus/Kaman.
taimaishu wrote:FFBlitzace wrote:lol, do you have a library of smiling Vince pics?
Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't make some comment about the Mavs' meteoric rise lately to achieve the sparkling record of...18-24? It's not that I want to perpetuate the trolling. It's just duty. You understand, I'm sure.
3 games out of playoffs in the stacked Western Conference. Orlando is 7 games out in the far inferior East.
Raptorel wrote:Bensational wrote:taimaishu wrote:I think Orlando needs about 5 more pieces.
we need a franchise player, that's for sure. and then a legit 2nd star to partner with him.
at least we can admit we're in full rebuild mode. i'm not sure how Dallas has a path back to the championship unless you get lucky with a big FA signing.
Sign Dwight Howard as a free agent this offseason. He wants to be here.
Birth of the Cool wrote:I never understood the hate for Vince on this board. He was a team player (JJ and Jameer still have love for him), listened to SVG, didn't rock the boat, played both ends of the court, sacrificed his offensive game for the team. People want to forget the Magic in Vince's first year were basically tied with the Lakers for best team in the NBA, and went undefeated the first 2 rounds of the playoffs. KG was the huge factor in stopping Orlando (who everyone thought before the series would be a lock to go to the final because of their dominance the first two series). Even today you can see how KG makes the Celtics a good D team vs a bad team when he is out.
Then following year VC had a career high FG% when he was traded to Phoenix, and it's not his fault Otis had ties with Gilbert and also panicked on those trades after a rocky west coast trip.
You can see how drastically team chemistry took a nose dive once Gortat, Pietrus, Vince and Rashard left.
Anyways, it's great to see JJ and Jameer compete out there. Good guys and wish them the best. This team at least is more enjoyable to follow without the "D" drama and you guys have some nice pieces to follow (Vucevic, Moe, etc). Good luck the rest of the season!
Birth of the Cool wrote:I never understood the hate for Vince on this board. He was a team player (JJ and Jameer still have love for him), listened to SVG, didn't rock the boat, played both ends of the court, sacrificed his offensive game for the team. People want to forget the Magic in Vince's first year were basically tied with the Lakers for best team in the NBA, and went undefeated the first 2 rounds of the playoffs. KG was the huge factor in stopping Orlando (who everyone thought before the series would be a lock to go to the final because of their dominance the first two series). Even today you can see how KG makes the Celtics a good D team vs a bad team when he is out.
Then following year VC had a career high FG% when he was traded to Phoenix, and it's not his fault Otis had ties with Gilbert and also panicked on those trades after a rocky west coast trip.
You can see how drastically team chemistry took a nose dive once Gortat, Pietrus, Vince and Rashard left.
Anyways, it's great to see JJ and Jameer compete out there. Good guys and wish them the best. This team at least is more enjoyable to follow without the "D" drama and you guys have some nice pieces to follow (Vucevic, Moe, etc). Good luck the rest of the season!
Bensational wrote:Birth of the Cool wrote:I never understood the hate for Vince on this board. He was a team player (JJ and Jameer still have love for him), listened to SVG, didn't rock the boat, played both ends of the court, sacrificed his offensive game for the team. People want to forget the Magic in Vince's first year were basically tied with the Lakers for best team in the NBA, and went undefeated the first 2 rounds of the playoffs. KG was the huge factor in stopping Orlando (who everyone thought before the series would be a lock to go to the final because of their dominance the first two series). Even today you can see how KG makes the Celtics a good D team vs a bad team when he is out.
Then following year VC had a career high FG% when he was traded to Phoenix, and it's not his fault Otis had ties with Gilbert and also panicked on those trades after a rocky west coast trip.
You can see how drastically team chemistry took a nose dive once Gortat, Pietrus, Vince and Rashard left.
Anyways, it's great to see JJ and Jameer compete out there. Good guys and wish them the best. This team at least is more enjoyable to follow without the "D" drama and you guys have some nice pieces to follow (Vucevic, Moe, etc). Good luck the rest of the season!
i was a big Vince hater during his time here, but i've come to reflect on his tenure here much more favorably. weren't we playing some GOAT style basketball in the 2nd half of VC's first season? i'm pretty sure that post all star break, we were playing at a level that hadn't been done before. (can't remember exactly what that was...)
my biggest problem with VC was that what we needed was a Kobe/Pierce/Wade style dominant wing and closer, but Vince just didn't give us that. because there was no hope of us actually landing a legit Kobe/Pierce/Wade, all our hopes fell on him to fulfill that role, whether that's right or wrong.
the dude's a nice guy though. can't fault him for that. just look at that winning smile - how can you not like him?
Birth of the Cool wrote:Kaman in person is even more disturbing to watch. I felt my seat inching ever so slowing towards his black hole gravitational pull. Luckily RC finally pulled him before my row was devoured by Galactus/Kaman.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Reached for a 2nd round talent in Nicholson.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Reached for a 2nd round talent in Nicholson.
Bobby Ray wrote:Me personally i've always respected Vince's talent but one thing i never understood from Otis. Why didn't he go get Vince when he wanted to come here when he was young? instead waited until he was old and out of shape?
Cigamodnalro wrote:Bobby Ray wrote:Me personally i've always respected Vince's talent but one thing i never understood from Otis. Why didn't he go get Vince when he wanted to come here when he was young? instead waited until he was old and out of shape?
Otis publicly called him "fool's gold" in an interview on the Orlando Magic website
Cigamodnalro wrote:Bobby Ray wrote:Me personally i've always respected Vince's talent but one thing i never understood from Otis. Why didn't he go get Vince when he wanted to come here when he was young? instead waited until he was old and out of shape?
Otis publicly called him "fool's gold" in an interview on the Orlando Magic website
Bobby Ray wrote:Cigamodnalro wrote:Bobby Ray wrote:Me personally i've always respected Vince's talent but one thing i never understood from Otis. Why didn't he go get Vince when he wanted to come here when he was young? instead waited until he was old and out of shape?
Otis publicly called him "fool's gold" in an interview on the Orlando Magic website
oh god seriously? If he was fool's gold when he was young then what the hell was he when we got him when he was old?
So the man who once called Vince Carter "fool's gold" now wants us to believe the all-star guard is what the Magic need to win the NBA Finals. That is pretty laughable.
On Feb. 22, 2007, Smith said: "I'm not going to take a step back and fall for what I call fool's gold. It shines and it glitters, but it just doesn't stick or pass the test."
So if Carter was fool's gold then, has he somehow polished himself up and turned into solid gold now despite two more years of wear and tear on his body?
Tarot Magician wrote:So to recap...
Magic lost another close game.
Questionable calls from the refs didn't help.
JJ continues to raise his trade value in case that's the route we take.
Moving up higher in the draft.
Meanwhile in Los Angeles, Dwight Howard receives two techs...
I've been loving the 2012-2013 NBA Season.
doct3r dr3 wrote:a lot of revisionist history going on in here. vince led the team in fg attempts and had the worst fg% on the team. he never cut off the ball, perennially stood still around the three-point line, never played defense, constantly writhed on the floor wincing, and of course choked away the ecf. and then in that second year he was even worse.
